Rumor Moe Harklesss Part of Trade With Knicks !!!!!

[Scalma]

Another fun Melo stat; on catch and shoot three pointers he shot 42.6%.

We can argue his shot selection, but the guy can shoot. I'd argue that he's had to be selfish because of the teams he's been on. He looks like a different player for team USA. He shares the ball. He doesn't go ISO. I don't think that's a coincidence. Give me Melo.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Another fun Melo stat; on catch and shoot three pointers he shot 42.6%.

We can argue his shot selection, but the guy can shoot. I'd argue that he's had to be selfish because of the teams he's been on. He looks like a different player for team USA. He shares the ball. He doesn't go ISO. I don't think that's a coincidence. Give me Melo.

Because he's done so much winning?

 

[Scalma]

Because he's done so much winning?

How many gold medals does he have?

He's also took the nuggets to the conference finals and won a national championship.

He's done more winning than anyone on our roster.

 

[Scalma]

It's a team sport. You don't see any sane person minimizing Chris Pauls career because of his teams lack of success in the playoffs.

 

[Mediocre Man]

How many gold medals does he have?

He's also took the nuggets to the conference finals and won a national championship.

He's done more winning than anyone on our roster.

He'd make Dame and CJ seem like all defense caliber players. The ball literally stops when he touches it

 

[oldfisherman]

Another fun Melo stat; on catch and shoot three pointers he shot 42.6%.

Another fun Melo stat.

When adjusted to equal minutes played, last season, Fatty Felton had more blocks than Melo.

 

[Denny Crane]

As I've always said, I want an elite SF (and/or SG) - dominant wings are generally the easiest way to a championship.

But there aren't many (4) SFs that shoot better than he does - that's pretty nice when your 4th-6th option can shoot 50% from the floor.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/...dGoalPct/seasontype/2/position/small-forwards

Tell me, what SF are we able to get who would be better than Harkless? We're not getting any of the 4 that shoot better than him. We're not getting Kawhi, Hayward, Barnes or Wiggins. We're not getting George or Butler without giving up CJ. We don't have cap space to sign Gallinari, and even if we did do we want to shell out $10M over what we're paying Harkless to get him? So we're looking at:

Ross (no thanks)
Chandler (no thanks)
Harris
Warren

What would we have to give up to get Harris or Warren? If they could be had for some combo of Crabbe/Turner/Aminu/Davis/Harkless, then sure - fire away. If not, then any gain at SF isn't worth the price paid.

How about a guy like Nurkic, who turned much better after getting to start?

Butler wasn't all that great his first few seasons.

 

[Scalma]

He'd make Dame and CJ seem like all defense caliber players. The ball literally stops when he touches it

So we're on to the next topic?

 

[Scalma]

Another fun Melo stat.

When adjusted to equal minutes played, last season, Fatty Felton had more blocks than Melo.

Breaking: Carmelo Anthony, bad defender.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So we're on to the next topic?

No, he still sucks

 

[Mediocre Man]

How many gold medals does he have?

He's also took the nuggets to the conference finals and won a national championship.

He's done more winning than anyone on our roster.

As for HE took the Nuggets to the finals, I have no idea how old you sare, but Iverson and Billups had a lot to do with the success of that team.

 

[Scalma]

As for HE took the Nuggets to the finals, I have no idea how old you sare, but Iverson and Billups had a lot to do with the success of that team.

The Allen Iverson that wasn't on their roster? Get lost old man.

 

[oldfisherman]

He's also took the nuggets to the conference finals and lost and won a national NCAA championship.

FIFY
Melo has never won a NBA conference finals, let alone a NBA championship.

 

[Scalma]

FIFY
Melo has never won a NBA conference finals, let alone a NBA championship.

So the prerequisite to play for Portland is a ring? Hmm ok let me update the wish list.

 

[Scalma]

This one is for you dorks that hold Carmelos lack of "winning" against him; which specific team of his did he prohibit winning a championship from? It's ok I'll wait.

 

[oldfisherman]

This one is for you dorks that hold Carmelos lack of "winning" against him; which specific team of his did he prohibit winning a championship from? It's ok I'll wait.

I never said that.

If you are trying to sell us on Melo, stop using faulty selective stats and info. It makes your case much weaker, not stronger.

 

[Scalma]

I never said that.

If you are trying to sell us on Melo, stop using faulty selective stats and info. It makes your case much weaker, not stronger.

You didn't say that? There was definitely something inferred there, and if there wasn't, why'd you mention it?

 

[oldfisherman]

You didn't say that? There was definitely something inferred there, and if there wasn't, why'd you mention it?

I corrected your very misleading statement.

Not sure if your posts intentionally misrepresent Melo, or, if you have such a blind man crush on him that you can not see the truth?

 

[Scalma]

I corrected your very misleading statement.

Not sure if your posts intentionally misrepresent Melo, or, if you have such a blind man crush on him that you can not see the truth?

What was misleading? Old man tried to come at me with some snark about Carmelo not winning and I corrected him. You want to minimalize the conference finals and an ncaa championship, fine. But don't try to tell me he's not a winner because he's had more losing seasons or whatever. He hasn't been set up to win. That's not on him.

 

[oldfisherman]

What was misleading? Old man tried to come at me with some snark about Carmelo not winning and I corrected him. You want to minimalize the conference finals and an ncaa championship, fine. But don't try to tell me he's not a winner because he's had more losing seasons or whatever. He hasn't been set up to win. That's not on him.

The real question is, will Melo help the Blazers win more games?
A. It depends on how he is used. I have explained my views on this in past threads, but will take the time to post it again.

Despite your one selective stat in a post above, Melo is an in-efficient scorer. If Melo started for the Blazers, he would be taking shots away from other players, every one of whom are more efficient scorers than he is.

There are only so many shots to go around for the starters. With Melo starting, the Blazer’s offense would score a few points less each game, not more, which translates into a few more loses, not wins.

Also Melo would be replacing a better defender. The result is the other team scoring a few more points per game. Which means a few more loses for the Blazers, not wins.


The only way I can see for Melo to help the Blazers win more games is if he comes off of the bench. Melo as a super 6th man, a scoring sparkplug off of the bench, might work, but will never happen.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The Allen Iverson that wasn't on their roster? Get lost old man.

You may want to double check. I looked again, for some reason thinking you may be correct......you weren't. Iverson was on the WCF team. Unless I'm wrong twice, which could be the case.

 

[Scalma]

The real question is, will Melo help the Blazers win more games?
A. It depends on how he is used. I have explained my views on this in past threads, but will take the time to post it again.

Despite your one selective stat in a post above, Melo is an in-efficient scorer. If Melo started for the Blazers, he would be taking shots away from other players, every one of whom are more efficient scorers than he is.

There are only so many shots to go around for the starters. With Melo starting, the Blazer’s offense would score a few points less each game, not more, which translates into a few more loses, not wins.

Also Melo would be replacing a better defender. The result is the other team scoring a few more points per game. Which means a few more loses for the Blazers, not wins.


The only way I can see for Melo to help the Blazers win more games is if he comes off of the bench. Melo as a super 6th man, a scoring sparkplug off of the bench, might work, but will never happen.

A legit question is whether that inefficiency is because the offenses he's been on require him to hog the ball. I'll keep bringing up his usage on team USA. He was used more as a spot up shooter than the ISOs we've gotten used to seeing in the NBA. He was extremely productive and efficient in that role. Now of course the competition is different, but I don't see why he couldn't fill that same role in Portland. And the stat I brought up was in response to a comment about him being an average shooter. Of course it was selective. Completely disagree on the offense becoming less efficient with Carmelo. Carmelo has never been surrounded with the type of shooters/scorers Portland offers. The offense would be so multi dimensional. Pick and rolls with Nurk. Spot ups for Melo, Crabbe, and CJ. Can ISO Anthony in the post. So many options. So much space. I'm all for it. Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[Scalma]

You may want to double check. I looked again, for some reason thinking you may be correct......you weren't. Iverson was on the WCF team. Unless I'm wrong twice, which could be the case.

Yeah, that's definitely the case. The best part is Iverson was traded FOR Billups. Bye.

 

[julius]

You may want to double check. I looked again, for some reason thinking you may be correct......you weren't. Iverson was on the WCF team. Unless I'm wrong twice, which could be the case.

Unless I've totally misunderstood what this pissing contest is about, Iverson, on the Nuggets, played a total of 9 playoff games over 2 years, 07 and 08.

Allen did play on the Denver team that went to the Western Conference Finals ( the 09 team) but he played on that team for 3 games before he was traded for Billups.

It's not actually hard to look that information up.

 

[Mediocre Man]

A legit question is whether that inefficiency is because the offenses he's been on require him to hog the ball. I'll keep bringing up his usage on team USA. He was used more as a spot up shooter than the ISOs we've gotten used to seeing in the NBA. He was extremely productive and efficient in that role. Now of course the competition is different, but I don't see why he couldn't fill that same role in Portland. And the stat I brought up was in response to a comment about him being an average shooter. Of course it was selective. Completely disagree on the offense becoming less efficient with Carmelo. Carmelo has never been surrounded with the type of shooters/scorers Portland offers. The offense would be so multi dimensional. Pick and rolls with Nurk. Spot ups for Melo, Crabbe, and CJ. Can ISO Anthony in the post. So many options. So much space. I'm all for it. Agree to disagree I guess.

The offense he was on in NY was the triangle....or a version of it. It's anti hold the ball.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Unless I've totally misunderstood what this pissing contest is about, Iverson, on the Nuggets, played a total of 9 playoff games over 2 years, 07 and 08.

The Denver team that went to the finals the 09 team, and he played on that team for 3 games before he was traded for Billups.

It's not actually hard to look that information up.

So wrong twice. I said it was possible. I'm wrong a lot.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah, that's definitely the case. The best part is Iverson was traded FOR Billups. Bye.

Bye what? You ate right about AI. I am right about Melo being overrated garbage

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Bye what? You ate right about AI. I am right about Melo being overrated garbage

One is a fact, the other is opinion. Apples and Oranges

 

[Mediocre Man]

One is a fact, the other is opinion. Apples and Oranges

Don't be silly. When he's right he's right. AI leaving was a fact as well

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah, the 10x all star isn't a good NBA player. Nice take.

On the decline? He had a better season than last year. Average three point shooter? Shot 36% this year and has had multiple seasons of shooting over 40%. Not bad considering how much he shoots, and the type of shots he has to take. There's a difference between a Melo look and a Harkless look. Diva? How?

When he's surrounded by great players (team USA) he very often is the best player on the court. There's value in his "volume" scoring. Not many guys in the league can get you a bucket or take over a game as easily as Melo can. He would open up the offense. If Melo is traded, the team trading for him will be buying low. That's something I can get behind.

Also, it would make Portland more of a destination for veterans. They will want to come here. Melo has that kind of star power/respect. That's worth Harkless and a couple of picks.

I'm sorry but you've been somewhat unbearable lately. You're comments to some people are getting over the top.

1.) If Melo can't attract free agents to New York City, what makes you think he'll play a factor in bringing free agents to Portland? His contract guarantees we won't have any space, and he's a ball stopper that doesn't defend. Strawman argument.

2.) Yes he's on the decline. His BPM last year was a -0.7, compared to a 2.6 the year before.

3.) He hasn't had multiple seasons of 40% 3pt shooting... For someone who's harking on people not getting their facts straight, to spew a lie like that... Carmelo is a career 34% 3pt shooter (worse than Meyers Leonard last year) and shot 34% the past 2 years before last year. He's a completely average 3pt shooter at BEST.

4.) All-Star appearances aren't a good way to gauge a player, as a Blazer fan you should know that. When a player (Melo) doesn't pass, doesn't defend, and chucks a bunch of shots in order to score 25ppg, he'll make a bunch if all-star teams, and wont be helping his team.

5.) I love how your using a small sample size of international basketball where Carmelo playing next to hall of famers against non-NBA players in your argument. How bout I use real NBA stats from last year:

53% TS% (Inefficient)
-2.2 DBPM (Horrible defender)
0.9 Assists Per 36 (Doesn't pass)
2.2 Turnovers Per 36 (Awful for someone who doesn't pass)