Moving up for Clingan?

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm assuming they're trading the pick - just not to us.

What are they reading the pick for, a worse pick? Because any veteran is going to have the same salary matching issue as PDX.

 

[Graduate32]

I hope he goes to some other team at #3.... What a reach.... Bagley/Wiseman 2.0

I'm not necessarily ready to pull the trigger on Clingan either (even at #7), but those are kind of strange comps for him. Regardless of outcome, he is a completely different type of player.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Here is the thing being a weak / average draft throwing a player like Brog , Williams and maybe Thybulle might be an option IF the receiving teams thinks that that vet PLUS the 7 would make them better. Also the Blazers need to shed some payroll so that type of trade works for them so we should hope someone like Houston etc loves one of these players.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I hope he goes to some other team at #3.... What a reach.... Bagley/Wiseman 2.0

Bagley and Wiseman were the opposite of Clingan. Clingan is a BORING pick who will make obvious contributions but never be a star. Bagley and Wiseman were players who were big swings where people said "well, they didn't do much in college but LOOK at the UPSIDE"

 

[Hoopguru]

Bagley and Wiseman were the opposite of Clingan. Clingan is a BORING pick who will make obvious contributions but never be a star. Bagley and Wiseman were players who were big swings where people said "well, they didn't do much in college but LOOK at the UPSIDE"

And they both had quick feet. But lacked the way to play the game upstairs.

 

[MickZagger]

I don’t want to draft Dwayne Schintzius

 

[julius]

I don’t want to draft Dwayne Schintzius

What if he grows an awesome mullet?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo think Clingan can totally go #1. Everyone can't be crazy I guess. I'm all for acquiring him or #3. Someone interesting will be there. Sarr, Risacher or Clingan. I'd be excited to add any of them.

 

[MickZagger]

Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo think Clingan can totally go #1. Everyone can't be crazy I guess. I'm all for acquiring him or #3. Someone interesting will be there. Sarr, Risacher or Clingan. I'd be excited to add any of them.

Thinking he can be and should be are two completely different things

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Thinking he can be and should be are two completely different things

Not in this scenario. You should give it a watch.

 

[blazerkor]

Here is the thing being a weak / average draft throwing a player like Brog , Williams and maybe Thybulle might be an option IF the receiving teams thinks that that vet PLUS the 7 would make them better. Also the Blazers need to shed some payroll so that type of trade works for them so we should hope someone like Houston etc loves one of these players.

I've been thinking (and this has nothing to do with Klingan) but if the Hawks want to continue to build around Trae... if that's the decision they've made, then pick 7, Tisse, Rob Williams and the least favorable of our 3 2029 FRPs would be a pretty great return for them for the first pick in this draft, maybe just Tisse, Rob, 7 and 40 would get it done. If they're sticking with Trae then they need defenders with experience. Both Tisse and Rob would fit into the Collins TPE when using their 2023-24 salaries which is still an option. We get Sarr who I like starting at the 4 with Deandre at the 5 like JJJ did with Adams for a while in Memphis.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I've been thinking (and this has nothing to do with Klingan) but if the Hawks want to continue to build around Trae... if that's the decision they've made, then pick 7, Tisse, Rob Williams and the least favorable of our 3 2029 FRPs would be a pretty great return for them for the first pick in this draft, maybe just Tisse, Rob, 7 and 40 would get it done. If they're sticking with Trae then they need defenders with experience. Both Tisse and Rob would fit into the Collins TPE when using their 2023-24 salaries which is still an option. We get Sarr who I like starting at the 4 with Deandre at the 5 like JJJ did with Adams for a while in Memphis.

Another Blazer homer scenario... that's a horrible return for Atlanta.

 

[blazerkor]

Another Blazer homer scenario... that's a horrible return for Atlanta.

In this draft? I know we have a difference of opinion on both Tisse and Timelord. I think they both have positive value, maybe either guy isn't worth an unprotected FRP but together they're probably worth close to that, then you have the lowest of three picks in the 2029 draft guaranteed to convey and they're only moving back six spots.

If they value two win now rotation guys and the guarantee of another FRP, I don't see why they wouldn't move back six spots in this draft unless they're really in love with Sarr or Risacher.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

ESPN doesn't see Clingan falling past 3:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

In the end it probably doesn't matter. He's not getting past #3 and we don't have what Houston wants.

Apparently what they really want is Mikal Bridges. Could we sell them on Jerami as a poor man's version? Is he "top flight"?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

In this draft? I know we have a difference of opinion on both Tisse and Timelord. I think they both have positive value, maybe either guy isn't worth an unprotected FRP but together they're probably worth close to that, then you have the lowest of three picks in the 2029 draft guaranteed to convey and they're only moving back six spots.

If they value two win now rotation guys and the guarantee of another FRP, I don't see why they wouldn't move back six spots in this draft unless they're really in love with Sarr or Risacher.

The Blazers got one unprotected pick for Jrue and one unprotected pick for Dame. So you think an injured Timelord and Thybulle on an overpaid deal are worth the same.

Yes that's a delusional homer.

 

[blazerkor]

The Blazers got one unprotected pick for Jrue and one unprotected pick for Dame. So you think an injured Timelord and Thybulle on an overpaid deal are worth the same.

Yes that's a delusional homer.

I think that first of all Rob is likely cleared for contact since we saw him dunking like two months ago. Obviously he comes with health concerns or he'd be worth more than a first rounder on his own with the production he brings when healthy. You keep saying that Tisse is overpaid but it was a contract that another team offered him that will be less than the MLE this off season. So yeah I think they're pretty close to being worth a FRP if you want to squabble about if that pick would have protections on it or not and what they might be, go for it.

Straight up all that I'm saying is that a future first that is guaranteed to convey, Rob and Tisse are worth moving up from 7 to 1 in this draft... not in last year's draft or the year before and so on but given what this draft class looks like and the parity of talent, there is a possibility that a future first guaranteed to convey even if it's likely to be late in the 2029 draft might be enough to move up six picks in this draft. I think both Rob and Tisse have value. I don't think any of those statements makes me a homer.

 

[B-Roy]

I think that first of all Rob is likely cleared for contact since we saw him dunking like two months ago. Obviously he comes with health concerns or he'd be worth more than a first rounder on his own with the production he brings when healthy. You keep saying that Tisse is overpaid but it was a contract that another team offered him that will be less than the MLE this off season. So yeah I think they're pretty close to being worth a FRP if you want to squabble about if that pick would have protections on it or not and what they might be, go for it.

Straight up all that I'm saying is that a future first that is guaranteed to convey, Rob and Tisse are worth moving up from 7 to 1 in this draft... not in last year's draft or the year before and so on but given what this draft class looks like and the parity of talent, there is a possibility that a future first guaranteed to convey even if it's likely to be late in the 2029 draft might be enough to move up six picks in this draft. I think both Rob and Tisse have value. I don't think any of those statements makes me a homer.

If any team offered a first for either Rob or Tisse, protections and all, they would be gone by now. I'm quite confident of that.

 

[blazerkor]

If any team offered a first for either Rob or Tisse, protections and all, they would be gone by now. I'm quite confident of that.

The idea is they'd be worth a first together... to the right team and if the Hawks want to contend with Trae (which I don't even know if they are going in that direction) then I could see them wanting both guys off the bench. Hell I think that Tisse might be a really good fifth starter in the back court next to Trae.

 

[illmatic99]

Now we have reports of the Hawks hosting Clingan for a private workout.

Who the hell is this kid's agent? These secret workouts aren't really that private.

 

[kjironman1]

Now we have reports of the Hawks hosting Clingan for a private workout.

Who the hell is this kid's agent? These secret workouts aren't really that private.

I think it's more than just an agent. I think Clingan is better than advertised and he has the mentality to work very hard to improve. I also think this about Edey if the truth were known.

 

[BIG Q]

Now we have reports of the Hawks hosting Clingan for a private workout.

Who the hell is this kid's agent? These secret workouts aren't really that private.

Have you tried to hide a 7'2 center walking through an airport and then hustled into an Uber? Tricky business.

 

[Samuel]

These secret workouts aren't really that private.

Portland is the only team hosting 'public' workouts AFAIK. Private is the new normal, it sounds like.

 

[illmatic99]

Vecenie said Clingan projects to be a top 10 center.

Andrew Bogut was named as a possible comp.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Clingan is the player with the highest floor. He's 100% not going to be Anthony Bennett. He certainly doesn't have as high a ceiling as other players, but the bust potential in this draft is HIGH, so Clingan is a safe harbor.

 

[beast blazer]

He reminds me of Joel Pryzbilla offensively. His 50% FT shooting is a good indication that he's never going to have much offensive skill. Players like Joel and Chris Dudley are useful, but not worth a top draft pick. I'm not seeing a defensive juggernaught either. He got dominated by Edey, whose skill supposedly will not translate against "NBA centers"

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Clingan is the player with the highest floor. He's 100% not going to be Anthony Bennett. He certainly doesn't have as high a ceiling as other players, but the bust potential in this draft is HIGH, so Clingan is a safe harbor.

Nah, I think Knecht's floor is higher.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Nah, I think Knecht's floor is higher.

Absolutely disagree if we're talking on/off stats. Just by the nature of the position, a good defensive center is so much more important than a good shooting wing. Even today, with all the Rudy Gobert hate.

I mean, better Walker Kessler than, say, Doug McDermott (another "can't miss" shooter).

 

[Pinwheel1]

Absolutely disagree if we're talking on/off stats. Just by the nature of the position, a good defensive center is so much more important than a good shooting wing. Even today, with all the Rudy Gobert hate.

I mean, better Walker Kessler than, say, Doug McDermott (another "can't miss" shooter).

I am not advocating for drafting Knecht at 7, but you got to admit he is pretty athletic. Not all shooting wings are.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I am not advocating for drafting Knecht at 7, but you got to admit he is pretty athletic. Not all shooting wings are.

Granted he's no Adam Morrison. But I think the bust potential with him is higher than people think. I think they're focusing on him being 23 and thus ready to plug-and-play. But (a) he only had one year of top-level college ball, and (b) he was the focus of the offense in a way he's not going to be even on as shitty an NBA team as Portland. I'm much more interested in players like Tristan da Silva or Baylor Schleierman (?) who've shown they can be (in the latest ubiquitous jargon) a "connecting piece," because that's what they'll be in the NBA. The optimistic view is Dan Majerle, but Majerle was a hard-as-nails hockey-playing all-Defense guy. Is Knecht that guy?