My Problem With Nic

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He's really not that great. I'd keep Lillard, Aldridge and Matthews over him without a doubt. I don't see how he could possubly be considered underrated.. when most people here vastly overrate him.

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Fully agree. He has been amazing. My only criticism, and it seems to be a common one is that he doesn't always have the same killer instinct on offense that he almost always has on defense, it's just frustrating because he has so much potential to score high numbers.
PLAYING.

HIS.

ROLE.
 
Since this seems to be the thread to air complaints about our favorite frenchman I'll lay mine out here. Batum is a turnover machine. Dame has the ball 6.9 mpg and gets 2.3 to per game, Nic has the ball 1.8 mpg and gets 2.6 to per game. That is atrocious. His turnovers are extremely costly to the team. Nic has a varied skill set and is very talented but he does not have the mentality to make full use of it. Nic is 25 years old now, the he's young and still learning the game argument needs to stop. This is a scouting report from February 4, 2008:

Batum should be topping this chart, he should have taken this edition of the Euroleague by storm. Nobody, not a single player, comes close to combining his physical gifts and skill repertoire. Instead, we’re hearing an already familiar tune: inconsistency, a certain lack of character and… perhaps some softness(?) mixed in with stretches of impressive play that only a freakish athlete like him is capable of deliver.

Unlike Gallinari, Batum hasn’t been able to emerge as the team leader Le Mans needed in order to overcome a pretty forgettable regular season (2-12 record), especially considering the very poor situation they had at the point guard position and the excellent creative skills Nicolas enjoys. But he barely ever came up aggressive enough to command his team’s offensive efforts for long periods. He wasn’t fearless enough attacking the basket, and his jumper is still a work in progress. And particularly, he disappeared again from the court in crunch time with concerning regularity--which didn’t help his team avoid some painfully close losses.

However, whenever he figured things out, he really impressed with his abilities. The guy can be simply unstoppable, able to create his own shot at will, to easily set up his teammates for easy baskets, to play lock down defense taking advantage of his freakish wingspan and athleticism, and come up with a slew of highlights in the form of blocks, dunks, long-range off-the-dribble shots, etc.

Batum needs to realize that he’s the clear-cut best player on his team, and start playing accordingly. It would be a crime to waste such an impressive collage of basketball goods. Indeed, he should be a lock for the lottery, but even if we can easily project him there, there’s no solid ground to protect him from slipping, given the concerns his game draws.


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This scounting report from nearly six years ago hardly seems relevant. Specifically for the sentence I highlighted. Batum clearly isn't the best player on this team, and if he started playing like he thought he was, he'd disrupt the flow of the offense and destroy team chemistry. Given how well the team is playing and the incredible chemistry and ball movement, I'm content with Batum knowing his role and playing it well.

And, if the team ever needs him to step up, like he did in the second half against OKC, all the better.

BNM
 
Batum isn't either of those guys. He's better than both of them at passing and in clutch shooting at line and from three. Batum is one of a kind. One of like 11 people to ever get a 5 x 5 in the history of the league. With Lillard and Aldridge as top scorers, we don't need him to be Paul George. We need him to be Nic Batum. He's doing great.



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DINGDINGDINGDING! I just high-fived your autographed photo, lol...
 
PLAYING.

HIS.

ROLE.

And while I fully appreciate his "fucked around and got a triple double" / "super-glue guy" game, there's this..

I think Nic is a very graceful basketball player. He is very fundamentally sound and he means a ton to this team. And more than I think he recognizes. I like the man...wasn't out to ruin him. But there is more there. And when your team game after game is losing or winning a game by a point or two, I think it's time to make the decision to step up the game on your end.

..that can make all the difference in the playoffs.
 
He's really not that great. I'd keep Lillard, Aldridge and Matthews over him without a doubt. I don't see how he could possubly be considered underrated.. when most people here vastly overrate him.

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He's averaging career highs in points, rebounds, and assists. What more do you want?
 
He could still be better.. And he's still getting overrated by fans too much, like he always has.

Overrated how? Seriously, I want you to give me some names of small forwards who are capable of doing what he does.

Right now his stats are

13.8 PPG
6.3 rebounds (career high)
5.3 assists (career high)
16.9 PER

Last season he averaged:

14.3 PPG
5.6 rebounds
4.9 assists
15.7 PER

So his scoring is slightly down from last season, but he has improved his rebounding and passing. His PER is still down a bit from where it was under McMillan though.
 
Overrated how? Seriously, I want you to give me some names of small forwards who are capable of doing what he does.

Right now his stats are

13.8 PPG
6.3 rebounds (career high)
5.3 assists (career high)
16.9 PER

Last season he averaged:

14.3 PPG
5.6 rebounds
4.9 assists
15.7 PER

So his scoring is slightly down from last season, but he has improved his rebounding and passing. His PER is still down a bit from where it was under McMillan though.

I forgot to quote it, but I was specifically replying to this:

Nic is so underrated. Wish some of you would watch him play instead of looking at just the boxscores

I form my opinions on players probably 90% from what I see. Stats take a back seat for me, I don't really care to discuss them at length, because they have little actual meaning. To see how the player is playing and how they are getting those stats, you have to watch. From watching Batum, it is clear to me that most Blazer fans overrate him, not underrate.
 
He's averaging career highs in points, rebounds, and assists. What more do you want?
Unless Batum starts taking roids, goes on a rage, asserts himself as the alpha dog, forces the other players to be his bitch, and leads his team in points and rebounds, he's underachieving and unmotivated and should be traded or waived. 'Nuff said. ;)
 
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I forgot to quote it, but I was specifically replying to this:



I form my opinions on players probably 90% from what I see. Stats take a back seat for me, I don't really care to discuss them at length, because they have little actual meaning. To see how the player is playing and how they are getting those stats, you have to watch. From watching Batum, it is clear to me that most Blazer fans overrate him, not underrate.

But if you compare him to someone like Lance Stephenson, who is getting a lot of pub right now over his all-around play, Batum is actually outplaying him in some areas.

Stephenson
13.3 PPG
6.6 rebounds
5.2 assists
15 PER

Lance has a much better defensive rating though.
 
But if you compare him to someone like Lance Stephenson, who is getting a lot of pub right now over his all-around play, Batum is actually outplaying him in some areas.

Stephenson
13.3 PPG
6.6 rebounds
5.2 assists
15 PER

Lance has a much better defensive rating though.

To be honest, I don't pay any attention to the media, so I have no idea who gets the publicity. Is Stephenson thought of as better than Batum nationally? Because I would disagree with that, even though I do like Stephenson.

The only views I have to go by are the ones on this board, that's probably why I think he's mostly overrated.
 
To be honest, I don't pay any attention to the media, so I have no idea who gets the publicity. Is Stephenson thought of as better than Batum nationally? Because I would disagree with that, even though I do like Stephenson.

The only views I have to go by are the ones on this board, that's probably why I think he's mostly overrated.

Stephenson is a guy who is getting a lot of credit for Indiana's success this year, and he's supposed to be getting a big payday this summer. It will be interesting to see what kind of money he gets, because he and Nic are putting up eerily similar numbers.
 
But if you compare him to someone like Lance Stephenson, who is getting a lot of pub right now over his all-around play, Batum is actually outplaying him in some areas.

Stephenson
13.3 PPG
6.6 rebounds
5.2 assists
15 PER

Lance has a much better defensive rating though.

Lance 1.005 million
Nico 11.295 million
 
Batum isn't either of those guys. He's better than both of them at passing and in clutch shooting at line and from three. Batum is one of a kind. One of like 11 people to ever get a 5 x 5 in the history of the league. With Lillard and Aldridge as top scorers, we don't need him to be Paul George. We need him to be Nic Batum. He's doing great.

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Tayshaun Prince played well for Detroit, so that's fine
 
But Batum's game is much different than Prince's.


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He's better than Prince in every way. The difference is that DET had good team defense, so Tay's defensive reputation got a bump.
 
He's better than Prince in every way. The difference is that DET had good team defense, so Tay's defensive reputation got a bump.

Not true

Prince could actually take his man off the dribble, and he had a good post game.
 
Lance has a much better defensive rating though.

Defensive rating from player to player on different teams is a terrible way to compare defenders, however. Stephenson's team has a much better DRTG than Nic's, which makes his better. If you look at the teams, however, Stephenson has a worse DRTG than the team as a whole does, Nic's is slightly better than our team rating.
 
Not true

Prince could actually take his man off the dribble, and he had a good post game.
He could, but didn't do it often because he wasn't a very good ball-handler either. We've seen Nic take guys off the dribble on occasion. So maybe he's not better than Prince in that regards, but I'd call them equals. Prince did have a better post-up game.
Nic would be brutal if he developed better ball-handling skills - it's his one weakness.
 
Prince's numbers at age 25 (4th year in the league)

14 ppg
4.2 boards
2.3 assists
14.8 PER
 
He's better than Prince in every way. The difference is that DET had good team defense, so Tay's defensive reputation got a bump.

Prince was a very good all around player, but I think his overall reputation was enhanced because he played on a championship team. I hope Batum's reputation will someday be similarly enhanced.

BNM
 

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