Myers Lenard is Not a Project

[BlazerCaravan]

It's Myrs Lnrd. Get it right.

Myrs Lynyrd, you mean.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This doesn't even make sense. You claim he isn't a good interior defender BECAUSE he didn't play it in high school. But in the next sentence you claim it has nothing to do with seasoning.

At least make a small attempt at logic.

Interior defense can be tweaked, but it's like court vision. It can't be taught. Leonard can play the next 5-6 years and he will still be a below average interior defender.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Maybe it's just me, but a thread like this showing up after a game where Leonard is obviously overmatched going up against All-Stars in Howard and Gasol seems, well, a bit pathetic. Give me a single rookie center who wouldn't have looked like chopped liver against those two the way they were playing last night. Meyers has a lot to learn and some glaring weaknesses, but how about giving the kid at least one full season and a summer off-season to work on those deficiencies before declaring him a bust?

Did you make this same post when the threads of his impending HOF induction were happening after games against teams with no centers?

 

[e_blazer]

Did you make this same post when the threads of his impending HOF induction were happening after games against teams with no centers?

Pretty much ignored them. Would have ignored this one too, except that I'm still ticked off from all of the purple-and-piss covered louts I had to listen to at last night's game.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Pretty much ignored them. Would have ignored this one too, except that I'm still ticked off from all of the purple-and-piss covered louts I had to listen to at last night's game.

I am sorry to hear that

 

[Rhal]

How is he not a project? He only just turned 21, and he didn't even start playing in the post really until his junior year of high school, because of a crazy, unexpected growth spurt. Not to mention that he has freakish god given height, length, and athleticism. For someone with that kind of physical ability, that has only played his position for five years or so, I'd say you have a "project." It's one thing for guys who grew up being the "big guy," but it takes guys with crazy growth spurts like that some time.

Pretty spot on. Some people tend to forget that it usually takes bigs a couple of years to learn how to play in the nba. Everyone keeps mentioning Joel who looked like a bust his first two seasons. Pek/hibbert/McGee/bynum/sanders/Jordon, there are a ton more but I can't think of them off the top of my head, all looked in danger of being a bust there rookie year. Big men projects are exactly that, projects that take awhile to develop. Some people are to quick to pass judgement on rookies, especially ones drafted as a several year project.

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[HailBlazers]

Interior defense can be tweaked, but it's like court vision. It can't be taught. Leonard can play the next 5-6 years and he will still be a below average interior defender.

It's Big that can't be taught. Hope you like the taste of crow.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It's Big that can't be taught. Hope you like the taste of crow.

I hope I am wrong unless we deal him. You can't teach instincts, sorry. Meyers has shown zero on the defensive end.

 

[blazerboy30]

Interior defense can be tweaked, but it's like court vision. It can't be taught. Leonard can play the next 5-6 years and he will still be a below average interior defender.

Which has nothing to do with your first post about how he won't ever play interior defense because he played SG in high school.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think you can teach defense (only to a point when guys are this far along in their development) but you can't teach toughness. I don't exactly get the "tough guy" vibe from Meyers, but assuming they don't trade him, I don't have a problem at least giving him a couple of years off of the bench to see if he can develop into something approximating a NBA pivot.

 

[Shooter]

Leonard is soft, soft, soft . . . Let's hope he learns how to play with toughness and intensity. Otherwise, there is no hope for him.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Same goes for Hickson. Great attitude, teachable...why are we giving him away? I forgot.

Because he will probably ask $5 million plus a season just to have him on our roster.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The person who I thought was much closer to a poor man's Joel was our current Joel, Freeland. But with Hickson out he STILL doesn't get a sniff of PT. What gives? He at least seems to have SOME semblance of defensive instincts and is prepared to give a hard foul or two.

 

[Further]

Meyers Leonard will be awesome. I see it. Next year you will see it, and two years from now the world will start to see it.

Leonard will be a top 10 center in the NBA by year 5 in the NBA.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Meyers Leonard will be awesome. I see it. Next year you will see it, and two years from now the world will start to see it.

You're going to start putting your drugs in the water supply?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

On the assumption that Leonard will remain a weak defender, and you were told that the Blazers will get one of the following college players (who all fall between 10 and 21 on the current DraftExpress Mock - which tells you the depth at C in this draft) to try to shore up our defense (which is why I have omitted Olynyk, who is projected at 14), which one would you want?

Rudy Gobert
Alex Len
Mason Plumlee
Isaiah Austin
Gorgui Deng
Steven Adams
Jeff Withey

?

My preference is probably Dieng, who I think is smart and can be the new Larry Sanders. He's older, but so was Taj Gibson when the Bulls took him.
I'm intrigued by Withey, but his rebound rate is rather anemic, even if his block rate is outstanding.

Hell, let's use PAM to buy some picks and take a bunch of 'em!

 

[illmatic99]

I went to the Cavs/Pacers game here on Tuesday cuz I wanted to see Kyrie play live, but i came away completely astonished at how good Tyler Zeller is. Kid destroyed Hibbert. He's so much better than Meyers.

 

[HailBlazers]

I went to the Cavs/Pacers game here on Tuesday cuz I wanted to see Kyrie play live, but i came away completely astonished at how good Tyler Zeller is. Kid destroyed Hibbert. He's so much better than Meyers.

He is very refined, high BBIQ and has great instincts. Pretty much the opposite of Meyers. However, we knowingly picked Leonard as a project, one with higher ceiling potential.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

If Leonard was the best pick at #11 in a deep draft, what could the Blazers hope for at 12 in a weak draft?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If Leonard was the best pick at #11 in a deep draft, what could the Blazers hope for at 12 in a weak draft?

To be fair: different drafts are deep at different positions. Remember the Rubio/Curry/Lawson/Holiday draft? That also had Jeff Teague, Tyreke Evans, Maynor and Darren Collison? Great for PGs. But the C who went at #2 was Hasheem Thabeet. Meanwhile this draft seems DEEP in centers.

Here's another guy who intrigues me (but may not declare): Chris Obekpa. Sounds very Ibaka-esque.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If Leonard was the best pick at #11 in a deep draft, what could the Blazers hope for at 12 in a weak draft?

he wasn't

 

[BlazerCaravan]

he wasn't

This is a really good discussion topic: now that we're a season in, who should we have taken at 11? I'm not really tracking the other rookies, so I'm genuinely curious.

 

[BlazerWookee]

This is a really good discussion topic: now that we're a season in, who should we have taken at 11? I'm not really tracking the other rookies, so I'm genuinely curious.

We should have taken Meyers Leonard. It's not his fault that Damien hit super-stud status right out of the gate instead of in a year or two as expected...

 

[RoyToy]

As far as big men go I wanted Henson over Leonard at 11

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This is a really good discussion topic: now that we're a season in, who should we have taken at 11? I'm not really tracking the other rookies, so I'm genuinely curious.

BPA was probably Henson. BCA (Best Center Available) was probably Festus Ezeli, at least if we're talking defense.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

ANOTHER C in this draft: Mike Muscala. A Vucevic type?

 

[Further]

On the assumption that Leonard will remain a weak defender, and you were told that the Blazers will get one of the following college players (who all fall between 10 and 21 on the current DraftExpress Mock - which tells you the depth at C in this draft) to try to shore up our defense (which is why I have omitted Olynyk, who is projected at 14), which one would you want?

Rudy Gobert
Alex Len
Mason Plumlee
Isaiah Austin
Gorgui Deng
Steven Adams
Jeff Withey

?

My preference is probably Dieng, who I think is smart and can be the new Larry Sanders. He's older, but so was Taj Gibson when the Bulls took him.
I'm intrigued by Withey, but his rebound rate is rather anemic, even if his block rate is outstanding.

Hell, let's use PAM to buy some picks and take a bunch of 'em!

In the "your guys" thread, I selected 3 players that interested me, specifically because, although I have faith that one day Meyers will rule the world, that getting a defensive minded Center will be the best way to use our pick this draft. The three guys I selected were Gobert, Deng and Withey.

Gobert I have only seen bits of, and his numbers have not been great, but people who I respect say that he has a high ceiling, and with a 7'9" wingspan, could be the defender we are looking for. He does not block many shots, but from what I gather he does play a mean swarming man to man D against other Centers. Not a bad option to grab and grow with,

Deng I like the most all around, but he is at least 23, and there are rumors that he may be a couple years older than that. But he is a mensch on Defense and has the size and ability to be a specialist in the NBA.

Withey confuses me. He is so amazing at blocks, but has huge holes elsewhere. I really don't know how to fully evaluate him, but once again, we are talking about size, length and athletic ability to be good at the next level.


I'm open to some of the other players, but I would like to lean towards a defensive Center, there are certainly enough options to choose from.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I just don't get this thread. The kid just turned 21. We all knew he as raw and would take YEARS (notice the plural) to develop. If anything, he's ahead of my expectations - and I'm one of those who liked this pick.

Yes, he still needs to improve his defense (wow, big surprise). Some have claimed he doesn't have good instincts. Yes, he does look lost a lot on defense, but I'm not convinced that's a lack of instinct as much as it is a lack of experience. Perhaps it is lack of instinct, time will tell. If it is, it may prevent him from becoming an elite all-NBA defender who leads the league in blocked shots. I agree that you can't teach instinct. But there are a LOT of things that can be taught. Given Leonard's size and athleticism, if he can just learn proper defensive positioning and rotation - and those things can be coached - he can become an above average post defender. There's a lot more to defense than blocking shots.

JaVale McGee is a great shot blocker, but a HORRIBLE defender. His instinct is to try to block EVERY shot. Every time anyone penetrates, McGee goes for the block, even if he has no chance. As a result, he constantly leaves his man wide open under the basket and is out of position for defensive rebounds. It seems like instincts, of the bad variety, also can't be untaught. Meyers may lack the instincts to become an elite level defender, but at least he doesn't have a lot of bad habits that would be hard to overcome.

The kid is a blank canvas, a raw lump of clay. He's a hard worker and seems to have good attitude. He has a very rare combination of size and athleticism. He's already hitting the weights hard and as his body fills out he will become bigger and stronger. That will help him take up space and hold his position in the paint. He doesn't have to block a lot of shots to be a good post defender. If he can hold his position and keep his opponent from establishing deep post position, that will go a long way to improving the Blazers interior defense.

This thread is stupid. Meyers Leonard is THE definition of a project. We knew it when we drafted him and nothing has changed. Giving up on him after one season of very limited action is also stupid. He has already shown he has the skill set to be an above average offensive center, and he has the size and work ethic to become a solid, if unspectacular post defender. If he doesn't show any improvement, please feel free to bump this thread, or start another one, in 2 - 3 years when he's an over-the-hill 23 or 24 years old.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

I went to the Cavs/Pacers game here on Tuesday cuz I wanted to see Kyrie play live, but i came away completely astonished at how good Tyler Zeller is. Kid destroyed Hibbert. He's so much better than Meyers.

Zeller and his 11.4 PER on 16 USG is a bona fide great player. :MARIS61:

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I just don't get this thread. The kid just turned 21. We all knew he as raw and would take YEARS (notice the plural) to develop. If anything, he's ahead of my expectations - and I'm one of those who liked this pick.

Yes, he still needs to improve his defense (wow, big surprise). Some have claimed he doesn't have good instincts. Yes, he does look lost a lot on defense, but I'm not convinced that's a lack of instinct as much as it is a lack of experience. Perhaps it is lack of instinct, time will tell. If it is, it may prevent him from becoming an elite all-NBA defender who leads the league in blocked shots. I agree that you can't teach instinct. But there are a LOT of things that can be taught. Given Leonard's size and athleticism, if he can just learn proper defensive positioning and rotation - and those things can be coached - he can become an above average post defender. There's a lot more to defense than blocking shots.

JaVale McGee is a great shot blocker, but a HORRIBLE defender. His instinct is to try to block EVERY shot. Every time anyone penetrates, McGee goes for the block, even if he has no chance. As a result, he constantly leaves his man wide open under the basket and is out of position for defensive rebounds. It seems like instincts, of the bad variety, also can't be untaught. Meyers may lack the instincts to become an elite level defender, but at least he doesn't have a lot of bad habits that would be hard to overcome.

The kid is a blank canvas, a raw lump of clay. He's a hard worker and seems to have good attitude. He has a very rare combination of size and athleticism. He's already hitting the weights hard and as his body fills out he will become bigger and stronger. That will help him take up space and hold his position in the paint. He doesn't have to block a lot of shots to be a good post defender. If he can hold his position and keep his opponent from establishing deep post position, that will go a long way to improving the Blazers interior defense.

This thread is stupid. Meyers Leonard is THE definition of a project. We knew it when we drafted him and nothing has changed. Giving up on him after one season of very limited action is also stupid. He has already shown he has the skill set to be an above average offensive center, and he has the size and work ethic to become a solid, if unspectacular post defender. If he doesn't show any improvement, please feel free to bump this thread, or start another one, in 2 - 3 years when he's an over-the-hill 23 or 24 years old.

BNM

Don't know if I agree with all that, but I like your point about Meyers being the definition of a project. That is so ture which makes the title of this thread kind of funny.

Part I have a little problem with is a project means he may or may not develop into a quality NBA player, you kind of make it sound like a done deal. But agree with everything else.