Names FWIW

[Mediocre Man]

Jerami Grant
Chris Boucher
Miles Turner
Luguentz Dort
Bobby Portis
Mitchell Robinson
Miles Bridges


Whispers

Some targets, some contingency plans, some discussions

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Miles Bridges would be awesome!

 

[TBpup]

Jerami Grant
Chris Boucher
Miles Turner
Luguentz Dort
Bobby Portis
Mitchell Robinson
Miles Bridges


Whispers

Some targets, some contingency plans, some discussions

Jerami Grant - for the $$ he wants, the role he wants, his declining defense, and inability to shoot, seems like there are better options elsewhere.
Chris Boucher - Need a frontcourt starter. That's not really him. Doesn't shoot it very well either.
Miles Turner - Would have been a very good fit next to Dame/Ant, but unless we do a S&T with Nurk (cap ramifications), that ship seems to have sailed.
Luguentz Dort - Nice defensive piece but can't shoot a lick.
Bobby Portis - Would LOVE Portis, but he loves MIL.
Mitchell Robinson - Like some of what he does, but always come away seeming like there should be more.
Miles Bridges - The absolute gem of this group, but what would it take to get him? Can't believe with his RFA status, they don't keep him.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Jerami Grant
Chris Boucher
Miles Turner
Luguentz Dort
Bobby Portis
Mitchell Robinson
Miles Bridges


Whispers

Some targets, some contingency plans, some discussions

Of them, I really REALLY like Dort (he's like a shorter, saner Ron Artest), but why would OKC let him go?
The rest? Meh. Meh-est of all are Grant and Boucher, but I feel like they're the most likely.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Luguentz Dort - Nice defensive piece but can't shoot a lick.

 

[illmatic99]

why all the centers? are they unsure of Nurk returning?

turner and robinson are surely starting caliber guys.

 

[Shaboid]

Of them, I really REALLY like Dort (he's like a shorter, saner Ron Artest), but why would OKC let him go?
The rest? Meh. Meh-est of all are Grant and Boucher, but I feel like they're the most likely.

Pretty low bar there.

 

[HailBlazers]

why all the centers? are they unsure of Nurk returning?

turner and robinson are surely starting caliber guys.

Size, length and defense, are what this team needs.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Jerami Grant - for the $$ he wants, the role he wants, his declining defense, and inability to shoot, seems like there are better options elsewhere.
Chris Boucher - Need a frontcourt starter. That's not really him. Doesn't shoot it very well either.
Miles Turner - Would have been a very good fit next to Dame/Ant, but unless we do a S&T with Nurk (cap ramifications), that ship seems to have sailed.
Luguentz Dort - Nice defensive piece but can't shoot a lick.
Bobby Portis - Would LOVE Portis, but he loves MIL.
Mitchell Robinson - Like some of what he does, but always come away seeming like there should be more.
Miles Bridges - The absolute gem of this group, but what would it take to get him? Can't believe with his RFA status, they don't keep him.

Yeh, agreed, Portis looks good, the best rebounder of the bunch and also the best three point shooter, by far and quite consistent with his shot last six years. Boucher, Turner and Bridges, all considered floor stretchers, shoot 33% or less on threes, that just doesn't cut it. Robinson has the best advanced stats both on D and O, but if he is so valuable why would his coach only play him 25 minutes a game?
Are you hoping Bridges can get his 3 pt average closer to a year ago's .400? He does shoot over .800 on FT's so seems possible he could improve 3 pointers. He might have the best all around game, moderately good at assists, steals, blocks and rebounds. His advanced offensive stats are very good, but defensive not.

 

[illmatic99]

Miles Bridges - The absolute gem of this group, but what would it take to get him? Can't believe with his RFA status, they don't keep him.

And a pipedream. The gymnastics needed to open up max caproom is not easy.

I've been trying to work out the math for my offseason primer.

So far, I have:

Dame 42.492
Bledsoe 3.9
Ingles
Hart
Nurk
Simons
Nas 4.171
Winslow 4.097
Keon 2.668
Didi 1.876
Brown 1.563
Watford 1.563
#6 pick 5.962
#11 pick 3.757

That's 10 guaranteed contracts (including Bledsoe's 3.9) totaling about 72 mil. That opens about 49.9 mil capspace

-You retain Hart as well, that's 13 mil added to 72. Meaning about 37 mil space. Enough for a max.
-You retain Hart/Nurk/Simons, that's 43 mil added. Meaning about 7.2 mil space.

Unless you get some sort of S&T magic worked out with Bledsoe's contract and a pick or some esoteric cap machination that I can't figure out, acquiring Bridges in FA and still retaining our existing FA talent is an impossibility.

 

[illmatic99]

Size, length and defense, are what this team needs.

don't need to spend ~40 mil on Nurk AND Turner.

 

[wizenheimer]

* Jerami Grant - been discussed to death

* Chris Boucher - He's UFA and he can probably be had for the tax-MLE. At 5-6 million he'd be ok, but still borderline meh

* Miles Turner - hard to believe the Pacers would dump Turner after trading Sabonis...unless they believe he won't re-sign with them. Maybe Bledsoe + 6th pick would get it done. Nurk + Turner makes for conflict. I'd rather use #6 on a wing, but Turner is a good player

* Luguentz Dort - why exactly with Dame, Ant, & Hart. Another 6'3 guard. Yeah, I know, defense, but the cost would be way too high IMO

* Bobby Portis - IMO, the best player here when you eliminate Bridges as being unattainable. But he's very likely going to opt out and become UFA. Only way to get him would be thru S&T, and that's not likely at all

* Mitchell Robinson - why exactly?

* Miles Bridges - to dream the impossible dream

not a very exciting list when you sort it for realistic

 

[THE HCP]

Miles Bridges would be awesome!

I don't think Charlotte lets him walk. They will have to break the bank to keep him though.

 

[RR7]

And a pipedream. The gymnastics needed to open up max caproom is not easy.

I've been trying to work out the math for my offseason primer.

So far, I have:

Dame 42.492
Bledsoe 3.9
Ingles
Hart
Nurk
Simons
Nas 4.171
Winslow 4.097
Keon 2.668
Didi 1.876
Brown 1.563
Watford 1.563
#6 pick 5.962
#11 pick 3.757

That's 10 guaranteed contracts (including Bledsoe's 3.9) totaling about 72 mil. That opens about 49.9 mil capspace

-You retain Hart as well, that's 13 mil added to 72. Meaning about 37 mil space. Enough for a max.
-You retain Hart/Nurk/Simons, that's 43 mil added. Meaning about 7.2 mil space.

Unless you get some sort of S&T magic worked out with Bledsoe's contract and a pick or some esoteric cap machination that I can't figure out, acquiring Bridges in FA and still retaining our existing FA talent is an impossibility.

It does seem really unlikely to land bridges, but maybe a double S&T of him and nurk? Charlotte could use a C. Maybe that explains the Turner and Robinson interest?

 

[illmatic99]

It does seem really unlikely to land bridges, but maybe a double S&T of him and nurk? Charlotte could use a C. Maybe that explains the Turner and Robinson interest?

And Bridges/Nurk are both Klutch guys.

Charlotte was always one of my projected Nurk destinations. I would not be unhappy with a lineup of:

Dame/Simons/Little/Bridges/Turner with another lottery pick and Hart coming off the bench.

 

[blazerkor]

I mean if you're targeting Portis you'd be counting on him opting out and us being able to convince him to take the full TPMLE from us instead of staying with the Bucks. That would be a fantastic situation. I really think all of this depends on where we end up in the draft but adding Grant with the Pels pick and TPE, Portis with the TPMLE and our first rounder to Dame, Ant, Hart, Nas, Nurk, Winslow doesn't seem like too bad of a rotation and would have a lot of flexibility. If that pick was 6-8 I'd be a little disappointed with the payoff that we ended up with for enduring this season and sending out the talent we did. If it was Jabari that we drafted that rotation becomes pretty exciting.

 

[TBpup]

Excellent cherry picking. In the bigger picture, grander scheme of things, for his career, he has a .395 FG% and shoots .333 from '3'.

 

[PCmor7]

Of them, I really REALLY like Dort (he's like a shorter, saner Ron Artest), but why would OKC let him go?
The rest? Meh. Meh-est of all are Grant and Boucher, but I feel like they're the most likely.

What good is having Ron Artest if he's sane?

 

[illmatic99]

i would add julius randle, jimmy butler and gordon hayward to any potential list of targets if things flameout for their respective teams.

hayward is a walking injury (missing the play-in) and is owed 60 mil for the next two seasons, but he could be had in a possible salary dump.

every knick fan online wants to dump Randle and he seems like he's on the way out. Again, the appeal here could be the asking price.

butler is an enigma, but he could probably mesh well with dame/chauncey for a year or two before he wears em out.

 

[blazerkor]

i would add julius randle, jimmy butler and gordon hayward to any potential list of targets if things flameout for their respective teams.

hayward is a walking injury (missing the play-in) and is owed 60 mil for the next two seasons, but he could be had in a possible salary dump.

every knick fan online wants to dump Randle and he seems like he's on the way out. Again, the appeal here could be the asking price.

butler is an enigma, but he could probably mesh well with dame/chauncey for a year or two before he wears em out.

What if we land the seventh pick and all we have to do to land Randle is trade the seventh pick and Bledsoe for the twelfth pick and Randle? That would obviously mean that the Knicks really like whoever is available where we're drafting and that they really want to get away from Randle and his long contract.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What if we land the seventh pick and all we have to do to land Randle is trade the seventh pick and Bledsoe for the twelfth pick and Randle? That would obviously mean that the Knicks really like whoever is available where we're drafting and that they really want to get away from Randle and his long contract.

The idea that we might be able to land Randle with so little outgoing is crazy to me. I'd love it if it happened, but it just doesn't seem viable that they're so desperate to get rid of him that they'd sell him off for even less than we got for CJ.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Excellent cherry picking. In the bigger picture, grander scheme of things, for his career, he has a .395 FG% and shoots .333 from '3'.

This year he upped his scoring dramatically to 17 ppg (40% shooting - but he draws a shit-ton of fouls and shoots 84% FTs).

 

[TBpup]

This year he upped his scoring dramatically to 17 ppg (40% shooting - but he draws a shit-ton of fouls and shoots 84% FTs).

So now he is chucking even more at 40% to get to his 17 ppg. Okay, that's not exactly a good thing. Tremendous defender for sure.

 

[calvin natt]

Zero chance Bridges leaves and they piss off Lamelo. It would just speed up the time for lamelos trade request to the Lakers.

 

[blazerkor]

The idea that we might be able to land Randle with so little outgoing is crazy to me. I'd love it if it happened, but it just doesn't seem viable that they're so desperate to get rid of him that they'd sell him off for even less than we got for CJ.

That's probably the case but much like Norm only +10M, Randle has a long contract with a bunch of left on it (117M/4 years) and he just had a season where his team and others feel he woefully underperformed. So like Norm and unlike CJ they might move off of Randle for very little, almost 100M in cap savings and moving up 5 or 6 spots in the lottery, again if they really like the guy who is available. You're right though, they'd probably want more than that but I don't think I'd want to give them more than that. I like Randle a lot and think he can regain the form he had over a season ago but you're betting ~28M in cap space every season for the next four seasons that he'll be what he was or better than he was in 2020-21 and not what he just was this last season.

 

[illmatic99]

What if we land the seventh pick and all we have to do to land Randle is trade the seventh pick and Bledsoe for the twelfth pick and Randle? That would obviously mean that the Knicks really like whoever is available where we're drafting and that they really want to get away from Randle and his long contract.

id give it serious consideration, depending on who is/isn't available at 7.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So now he is chucking even more at 40% to get to his 17 ppg. Okay, that's not exactly a good thing. Tremendous defender for sure.

You get him for his defense. The fact that he can score is a bonus. And while his TS% is certainly not great, it's better than all of these guys:

 

[RR7]

You get him for his defense. The fact that he can score is a bonus. And while his TS% is certainly not great, it's better than all of these guys:
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Not exactly a who's who of top level scorers.

 

[Predator]

Jerami Grant NO
Chris Boucher NO
Miles Turner NO
Luguentz Dort NO
Bobby Portis OK
Mitchell Robinson NO
Miles Bridges YES


Whispers

Some targets, some contingency plans, some discussions

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Not exactly a who's who of top level scorers.

BRADLEY BEAL??