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Mediocre Man said:
My stance on Dame is if he wants to stay he needs to understand that because of the way Olshey destroyed this franchise we need to build for the future.
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I'm not really sure what you mean...?

next season is the future just as 2027 is the future. With the nature of contracts, planning for a future 5 years from now seems way too hypothetical. Nurkic is UFA this summer. Simons could be UFA 3 years from this summer. The future will have plenty of roster turnover....it always does

Dame seemed to be more than OK with Stotts being fired and with CJ, RoCo, Powell, and Nance being traded away. Those were definitely moves sacrificing a 'win-now-mirage' in favor of a potential future upside. I don't believe that a roster built for 2022-23 has to be incompatible with 2025-26; and looking further ahead than that seems pointless considering there are only 2 players with guaranteed contracts in 2024-25, Dame & Watford
 
My running list of notable players who could be available (not necessarily our targets but could be on the move) after reading some offseason primer articles from various NBA folk:

- Gobert, Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Conley
- LaVine
- Simmons, Kyrie (some eye opening comments from Sean Marks today).
- Collins, Capela, Hunter
- Hayward, Bridges
- Tobias Harris (I think Philly will try to dump him so that they can open up some space after a Harden extension for a better fit).
- Collin Sexton, Kevin Love
- Duncan Robinson
- Julius Randle, Cam Reddish
- Brogdan, TJ Warren, Rubio
- Kyle Anderson, Brandon Clarke
- Otto Porter, James Wiseman
- Tim Hardaway Jr.
- Aaron Gordon
- D'Angelo Russell
- Harrison Barnes
- Christian Wood
 
illmatic99 said:
My running list of notable players who could be available (not necessarily our targets but could be on the move) after reading some offseason primer articles from various NBA folk:

- Gobert, Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Conley
- LaVine
- Simmons, Kyrie (some eye opening comments from Sean Marks today).
- Collins, Capela, Hunter
- Hayward, Bridges
- Tobias Harris (I think Philly will try to dump him so that they can open up some space after a Harden extension for a better fit).
- Collin Sexton, Kevin Love
- Duncan Robinson
- Julius Randle, Cam Reddish
- Brogdan, TJ Warren, Rubio
- Kyle Anderson, Brandon Clarke
- Otto Porter, James Wiseman
- Tim Hardaway Jr.
- Aaron Gordon
- D'Angelo Russell
- Harrison Barnes
- Christian Wood
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You forgot Grant!

I'd love to pick up Clarke (trade), Collins (trade), and Porter (MLE).
 
illmatic99 said:
My running list of notable players who could be available (not necessarily our targets but could be on the move) after reading some offseason primer articles from various NBA folk:

- Gobert, Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Conley
- LaVine
- Simmons, Kyrie (some eye opening comments from Sean Marks today).
- Collins, Capela, Hunter
- Hayward, Bridges
- Tobias Harris (I think Philly will try to dump him so that they can open up some space after a Harden extension for a better fit).
- Collin Sexton, Kevin Love
- Duncan Robinson
- Julius Randle, Cam Reddish
- Brogdan, TJ Warren, Rubio
- Kyle Anderson, Brandon Clarke
- Otto Porter, James Wiseman
- Tim Hardaway Jr.
- Aaron Gordon
- D'Angelo Russell
- Harrison Barnes
- Christian Wood
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Solid list
 
Rastapopoulos said:
By "cycle" you mean "decade" I assume.
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The Blazers went from 28 to 33 to 54 wins ten years or so ago. Why the negativity?

Dame, Ant, Hart, Nurk, a lottery pick, cap space and others. It’s not like we are an expansion franchise
 
Mediocre Man said:
The Blazers went from 28 to 33 to 54 wins ten years or so ago. Why the negativity?

Dame, Ant, Hart, Nurk, a lottery pick, cap space and others. It’s not like we are an expansion franchise
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I agree that we are a big time rookie and another good player, probably a starter away from contention and that could happen as soon as this off season. One thing that is important is that we don't have cap space and Ant, Hart and Nurk because Ant, Hart, Nurk and our pick eat up that cap space but we will still have TPEs and the TPMLE.
 
Mediocre Man said:
The Blazers went from 28 to 33 to 54 wins ten years or so ago. Why the negativity?

Dame, Ant, Hart, Nurk, a lottery pick, cap space and others. It’s not like we are an expansion franchise
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Dame and Ant don't work together, so one has to go. Ant and Nurk aren't even signed. The West is stacked. We're not contenders or even proto-contenders.
 
Mediocre Man said:
The same way Dame and CJ didn’t work. Both ball dominant guards
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I understand the comparison, and it has some weight

however, Simons has not displayed the ball-hog idiocy of CJ; and Dame/CJ never developed as a pairing under Billups. Nor did they have anything in the rotation but low-tier forwards
 
Mediocre Man said:
For sure. Of “real” players, he’s 2nd behind KPJ of Houston in catch and shoot efg% at 71.5. CJ though, while lower on the list, is still at 63.6, which is just outside the top ten of players averaging 20 plus minutes a game
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Fingers crossed that he's that good without dominating the ball the entire game.
 
wizenheimer said:
I understand the comparison, and it has some weight

however, Simons has not displayed the ball-hog idiocy of CJ; and Dame/CJ never developed as a pairing under Billups. Nor did they have anything in the rotation but low-tier forwards
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I hope that in developing them together, Chauncey can develop in Dame a willingness to also embrace playing off the ball. Our offense could be so much more dangerous with he and Ant both doing so.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I hope that in developing them together, Chauncey can develop in Dame a willingness to also embrace playing off the ball. Our offense could be so much more dangerous with he and Ant both doing so.
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that's entirely possible, but I do think there is some critical context needed...

in 2020-21, Dame was above the 98th percentile in spot-up shots in the league; so was CJ, and Simons was in the 99th percentile. But here's the reality: for the Blazers that season, for CJ 15% of his shots were spot-up; 28% of Ant's shots were spot-up; 51% fro RoCo; 24% for Melo; 32% for Little; 23% for Powell. But only 5% of Dame's shots were spot-up. Now, I suppose you could say that was the Stotts offense at work because under his system, the Blazers almost never ran offense for Dame that he didn't initiate himself. Dame's teammates had much higher rates of spot-up opportunities and that's almost certainly because Dame stressed opposing defenses and had the court vision to find his teammates in good spot-up opportunities. His teammates didn't reciprocate

but I'd also suggest a reason for this is that the Blazers simply had poor and ineffective passers other than Dame on the team. CJ was often a reluctant passer and didn't possess good court recognition. And after Batum, the best front-court initiator the Blazers have had is Plumlee. Turner sure wasn't it.

in other words, I think it's easy to say "run Dame off the ball more". But in order for that to work there needs to be more than one average passer on the team. If Simons is the only one it's not going to work well running Dame off the ball. And I have no confidence Nurk is that good of a passer except on back cuts; running offense thru him isn't a good idea IMO

I guess this is another reason to question why the focus on Grant, because he's not good at all at initiating offense
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I don't know because nobody knows anything. However, if you think Steph + Poole are an encouraging parallel, I'm here to predict you're going to be disappointed.
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for months you've been predicting all kinds of disaster if Portland keeps Dame....what else is new
 
wizenheimer said:
for months you've been predicting all kinds of disaster if Portland keeps Dame....what else is new
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I wish you'd just put me on ignore, apparently I upset you. I honestly don't keep track of what other posters believe - I'm flattered you do.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I wish you'd just put me on ignore, apparently I upset you. I honestly don't keep track of what other posters believe - I'm flattered you do.
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if you upset me I would

as far as keeping track of what you believe about Dame on the Blazers, do you really think you haven't made it clear?

all I did in this case was ask you how it was you knew that Dame and Simons wouldn't work
 
Pinwheel1 said:
You want a PF who can initiate an offense? Watch the passing by this guy

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Winslow was my second-favorite acquisition last year (after Hart, natch) but if he can stay healthy it'll be a first. Plus he can't shoot worth a damn, so he better be Draymond Fucking Green.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
You want a PF who can initiate an offense? Watch the passing by this guy

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his career assist rate is 14.4%; and his turnover rate is 14.2%. Last season, his assist rate was 16%. None of that is very good. I like Winslow as a rotation backup. I'd not like him at all as a starter because it would be just perpetuating the ineffective string of low-tier forwards like Aminu-Harkelss-Layman-Turner-Hezonja-Hood-Tolliver-Melo-RoCo-Powell that were primary in locking the Blazers on the treadmill
 
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