NBA Draft Thread Vol. 2 (Merged)

[Nikolokolus]

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I'm kinda confused where all of this vitriol for Singler is coming from.

First of all it was, again, just an off the cuff idea. 2nd of all, no one ever said he was going to be the 2nd coming of Michael Jordan. He's going to be a backup and a glue guy, but he hustles, has a good bball IQ, can hit an open jump shot and play solid D. No one thought Jared Dudley was going to be much of an NBA player and look how solid he's been.

If ever there was somebody who should have a rooting interest in Kyle Singler it would be me. He's from my hometown, he went to the same high-school I graduated from. But the guy for all his smarts and supposed "solid D" in the college game, looks like a guy who will have a very, very tough time making the jump to the pros. Derrick Williams (who I think is a tweener and will probably also struggle a bit in the pros) absolutely manhandled him in the NCAA tournament this year. When a guy who is supposedly physically mature gets pushed around the way he did, you cringe when you think about him playing against the much more physically gifted bigs at the next level.

An asset like Batum off the bench is nice, but it seems like a luxury to me when we have such a desperate need for a young PG and solidarity at the 2 & 5. My question was more meant to be along the lines of IF you could get a solid role-player SF to come off the bench (if you don't like Singler, insert your own version of who that might be) for a purchased pick, would it interest you and would you be willing to move Batum with that type of idea in mind...

Well for one thing Singler played power forward in college, so it's doubtful that he'll be a three in the NBA (especially given his athletic limitations) To your larger point about trading Batum for a point guard and drafting a reserve 3, that's all well and good, but who is going to trade a young starting quality point for Nic? Maybe there's some theoretical deal to made floating around out there, but right now I'm not sure I see it. Realistically, If this team wants a young "point guard of the future," it's either going to take more ammo than Batum to get one or they are going to have to try and find a guy in the draft (again). Maybe that's Reggie jackson, maybe that's Darius Morris, or maybe another guy they have to trade up for.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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Singler's standing vertical leap was 23 inches (tied for second worst in the combine). My vertical was 24 last time I had it measured. That's just ridiculous.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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Nikola Vucevic || 20 years old || PF/C
6'11.75" || 260 lbs. || 7'4.5" wingspan || 9'4.5" standing reach
17.1 PPG || 10.3 RPG || 1.4 BPG || 50.5 fg%

[video=youtube;eoQHkm6CkNk]​

His max vertical was 25 inches. I know he's a big man but still. Jon Leuer is 1/4 of an inch shorter and has a max vert of 36.5".

 

[MickZagger]

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Scotty Hopson is being projected in the late second round.. Damn that is a confident mother fucker.

Hahaha....."teams wanna be around me".

 

[MickZagger]

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I like Marshon Brooks for his ability to drive and create for himself. Something this team desperately needs. He has B-Roy feel to his game.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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6'7" Kenneth Faried: 11'11" max vertical reach

In comparison:

6'7" Paul Millsap: 11'8" max reach
6'11" Enes Kanter: 11'10" max reach
6'10" DeMarcus Cousins: 11'8.5" max reach
6'10" Larry Sanders: 11'8" max reach
6'10" Blake Griffin: 11'8.5" max reach
7'0" Brook Lopez: 11'11" max reach
6'9.5" Kevin Love: 11'9" max reach
6'10" Al Horford: 11'10.5" max reach
6'11.25" LaMarcus Aldridge: 12'0"
7'0" Andrew Bogut: 12'0"

 

[PapaG]

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If ever there was somebody who should have a rooting interest in Kyle Singler it would be me. He's from my hometown, he went to the same high-school I graduated from. But the guy for all his smarts and supposed "solid D" in the college game, looks like a guy who will have a very, very tough time making the jump to the pros. Derrick Williams (who I think is a tweener and will probably also struggle a bit in the pros) absolutely manhandled him in the NCAA tournament this year. When a guy who is supposedly physically mature gets pushed around the way he did, you cringe when you think about him playing against the much more physically gifted bigs at the next level.



Well for one thing Singler played power forward in college, so it's doubtful that he'll be a three in the NBA (especially given his athletic limitations) To your larger point about trading Batum for a point guard and drafting a reserve 3, that's all well and good, but who is going to trade a young starting quality point for Nic? Maybe there's some theoretical deal to made floating around out there, but right now I'm not sure I see it. Realistically, If this team wants a young "point guard of the future," it's either going to take more ammo than Batum to get one or they are going to have to try and find a guy in the draft (again). Maybe that's Reggie jackson, maybe that's Darius Morris, or maybe another guy they have to trade up for.

To be fair, Greg Oden manhandled Joakim Noah and Al Horford in the NCAA tournament, and both of those players have turned out to be very good in the NBA. I'm not saying that will happen with Singler at all, but a projected #1 or #2 pick abusing a lesser player in college is somewhat commonplace. Williams, if drafted #2, will be compared with players pick in a similar spot. Singler will be compared with mid-to-late first round picks as a pro, at least in the beginning of his career.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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im really liking reggie jackson, maybe he can be our rondo

also darius morris looks good around 2, his best case comp is andre miller, wouldnt mind having a young miller for the next 10 years, also he measured out at 6'5" in shoes, will likely stick as a big steady pg in the nba regardless.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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im really liking reggie jackson, maybe he can be our rondo

also darius morris looks good around 2, his best case comp is andre miller, wouldnt mind having a young miller for the next 10 years, also he measured out at 6'5" in shoes, will likely stick as a big steady pg in the nba regardless.

Faried or bust!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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I like Marshon Brooks for his ability to drive and create for himself. Something this team desperately needs. He has B-Roy feel to his game.

brooks looks like he should be able to step in and be pretty steady from the jump off, although, might not be that "upside"...

he really does look like kobe, although i read somewhere he modeled his game after him, down to his walk and everything lol...someone made a good point, that he modeled his game after a 32 year old kobe, because he lacks the athleticism of a younger kobe, and if so, a 32 year old kobe clone wouldnt be the worse thing on the team

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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Faried or bust!

im digging faried as well lol

prolly

darius morris
marshawn brooks
chris singleton
kenneth faried
Lucas Nogueira

are my positional likes around 21

 

[JDC]

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I'm hoping for 2 out these 4...

Kenneth Faried
Lucas Nogueira
Norris Cole
Keith Benson

I don't think we have the room for another 2 guard and I'd like to see what Elliot shows in the limited minutes he'll get next year.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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To be fair, Greg Oden manhandled Joakim Noah and Al Horford in the NCAA tournament, and both of those players have turned out to be very good in the NBA. I'm not saying that will happen with Singler at all, but a projected #1 or #2 pick abusing a lesser player in college is somewhat commonplace. Williams, if drafted #2, will be compared with players pick in a similar spot. Singler will be compared with mid-to-late first round picks as a pro, at least in the beginning of his career.

You make a good point. I've seen Kyle Singler in quite a few games since he started at Duke and I don't think I've ever had a single moment where I said to myself, "this guy is going to be a really good NBA player." He'll probably end up a perfectly adequate reserve stretch 4 somewhere who is able to carve out 10-15 minutes a night on a team who needs such a player, but I really beleive he's going to be a poor man's Marvin Williams -- a really nice NCAA player but just a bucket full of "blah" as a pro.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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yeah i like cole and benson, but im sick of guessing about 2nd rounders, after the blair fiasco......

 

[MickZagger]

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I like Singleton as a defender, but the guy has the offensive game of Bo Outlaw or Mbah a Moute.

 

[PapaG]

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You make a good point. I've seen Kyle Singler in quite a few games since he started at Duke and I don't think I've ever had a single moment where I said to myself, "this guy is going to be a really good NBA player." He'll probably end up a perfectly adequate reserve stretch 4 somewhere who is able to carve out 10-15 minutes a night on a team who needs such a player, but I really beleive he's going to be a poor man's Marvin Williams -- a really nice NCAA player but just a bucket full of "blah" as a pro.

Pretty much where I have Singler pegged. Mike Dunleavy Jr. is his ceiling, IMO.

 

[Pinwheel1]

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I wonder if Michael Dunigan would be worth a second round pick.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Dunigan-1320/

This guy has talent. I have no idea about his work ethic or attitude but he has good size and good skills. His motor may be a problem. If he is in shape he could be a decent back up PF. Somebody will draft him.

Edit: I just watched his video. He lost 43 punds since his freshman year at Oregon. Interesting prospect IMO

 

[MickZagger]

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You make a good point. I've seen Kyle Singler in quite a few games since he started at Duke and I don't think I've ever had a single moment where I said to myself, "this guy is going to be a really good NBA player." He'll probably end up a perfectly adequate reserve stretch 4 somewhere who is able to carve out 10-15 minutes a night on a team who needs such a player, but I really beleive he's going to be a poor man's Marvin Williams -- a really nice NCAA player but just a bucket full of "blah" as a pro.

Bucket full of blah's are generally perfect 2nd round picks. I'm not sure what the big debate about Singler is about, really. He's being projected as an early 2nd in a weak draft, sounds about right to me. I dont think he'll be a star, but a heady reserve.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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is anyone saying singler is going to be good? not really going out on a limb here, but i think he will not light the world on fire either lol

 

[Nikolokolus]

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Bucket full of blah's are generally perfect 2nd round picks. I'm not sure what the big debate about Singler is about, really. He's being projected as an early 2nd in a weak draft, sounds about right to me. I dont think he'll be a star, but a heady reserve.

Somebody a couple of pages back asked where all the [hate] for Singler was coming from ... I guess I was mostly responding to that. I don't hate him, but I don't particularly want him either.

 

[PapaG]

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Somebody a couple of pages back asked where all the [hate] for Singler was coming from ... I guess I was mostly responding to that. I don't hate him, but I don't particularly want him either.

Yeah, I must have missed the big debate on Singler. I thought we were actually having a discussion to see where he fit in terms of being an NBA player and were bouncing some ideas around. I certainly don't think he'll ever be a primary scorer on even a decent team. If he's picked late-first or early-second and washes out of the NBA, it won't be a surprise to anyone, will it? I don't think it's a lock that he'll be a wash-out, though. He could find a contributing role on a team, given the right situation.

 

[oldmangrouch]

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im really liking reggie jackson, maybe he can be our rondo

also darius morris looks good around 2, his best case comp is andre miller, wouldnt mind having a young miller for the next 10 years, also he measured out at 6'5" in shoes, will likely stick as a big steady pg in the nba regardless.

Sam Amick (SI) is reporting that Jackson dropped out of the NBA combine and a scheduled group work-out.

Is he hiding something, or does he have a "promise" from some team? A guy who is projected as no more than a late first round pick has no business ducking work-outs.

 

[Blaze01]

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Apparently Jackson has a promise from BOS, but will likely be drafted before then.....

Also, Darius Morris is scheduled to be coming to POR for a workout at some point...

 

[PapaG]

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Apparently Jackson has a promise from BOS, but will likely be drafted before then.....

Also, Darius Morris is scheduled to be coming to POR for a workout at some point...

He has a promise from the team with the 25th pick, so he is canceling workouts? Who is advising him? Screw the promise, and try to get drafted higher and make more money by showing what you have in workouts.

Makes me think he's hiding an injury. Either that, or he needs to fire his agent.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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He has a promise from the team with the 25th pick, so he is canceling workouts? Who is advising him? Screw the promise, and try to get drafted higher and make more money by showing what you have in workouts.

Makes me think he's hiding an injury. Either that, or he needs to fire his agent.

Or he really wants to play for Boston.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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DX's top-5 overall athletes from the combine:

1 Isaiah Thomas
2 Iman Shumpert
3 Andrew Goudelock
4 Norris Cole
5 Brandon Knight

 

[MickZagger]

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Goudelock can straight up stroke it. I watched him play a couple times for C of C, but he's just really small.

 

[Blazinaway]

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Goudelock can straight up stroke it. I watched him play a couple times for C of C, but he's just really small.

That's what I've heard and it seems he is much more athletic and quick then many gave him credit for, could be a nice pick for a scoring guard (PG) off the bench. 6'2 - 6'3'' inches in shoes i believe - bout average for a PG no?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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Or he really wants to play for Boston.

which is strange because he reminds me of rondo, except he can shoot hahaha

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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2011 NBA Draft Combine Shooting Drills Results

not sure if this deserves its own thread

anyhoo, very interesting, with the players knowing these results were going public, it was likely a high pressure drill, and holy crap andrew goudelock KILLED IT

some other standouts were marshawn brooks with 16/18 off the dribble jumpers, seems his mid range game is tight