NBA players coming out early compared to college experience

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I guess going to college to learn to drink responsibly is what the drinking age nonsense is really about. It's no strawman. You brought up the drinking age thing, not me.

I dont know what you're trying to prove because you make so little sense.

Okay scarecrow. Try and weasel your way out from your exposed straw man.

And LMAO at the hyperbole to add to your straw man, that going to college is about drinking.... Christ Denny you are a terrible debater.
 
Okay scarecrow. Try and weasel your way out from your exposed straw man.

And LMA at the hyperbole to add to your straw man, that going to college is about drinking.... Christ Denny you are a terrible debater.

Says the guy who doesn't know what a strawman is.

That's a perfect example of why you make no sense.
 
No please tell me more. Your feeble attempt to sway away from just how wrong you are isn't working.

You aren't using logic. You're banging the table. As if insulting me makes your argument legitimate. A hint: it doesn't.

Your use of facts is weak. Drinking age doesn't correlate to any person's actual maturity. For example.

But all you have to do is look at those and it proves something.

: mags :
 
You aren't using logic. You're banging the table. As if insulting me makes your argument legitimate. A hint: it doesn't.

Your use of facts is weak. Drinking age doesn't correlate to any person's actual maturity. For example.

But all you have to do is look at those and it proves something.

: mags :

Denny I'm not banging the table; I'm laughing at you. And to even hint that I'm giving you personal insults is somehow proving I'm wrong is a reach at best.

The drinking age and "gambling" which you completely ignored are relevant. They didn't pick a number out of a hat Denny. The government doesn't believe a 18 year old is as responsible as a 21 year old.

You lost Denny. Just stop digging a bigger hole
 
Your feeble attempt to sway away from just how wrong you are isn't working.

Oh no!

I'm insulted.

You proved a point with that post.

But you aren't banging the table.

I see.
 
But hey

this is your thread

prove your point already
 
Already did. But you tried derailing the thread like you did on the Lillard thread.

Usually strawman and hyperbole does that.
 
OK

As near as I can see

NBA players should go to college:

1) Because they'll be more responsible
2) I wasn't responsible when I was 18
3) Roy went to college, so did Kareem!
4) After all, look at the drinking age - it's 21

That's no strawman, you actually made that argument.

There was also the classic "you're wrong" post. Not sure how that relates to NBA players going to college or not.

Along with the "statistical" question about an 18 year old having the same statistical chance to be responsible than a 22 year old who graduated college post.

I liked the one where you said "I don't need scholastic research." That was a real convincing one.

The "I don't know what a strawman is but I'm accusing you of using one" routine is getting old though.
 
All hail Denny, the King of straw man and hyperbole!

He will be giving courses on how to win a debate with this technique!
 
I don't think you know what hyperbole means, either.
 
Please enlighten me, master of hyperbole

The point is to get you to do something that's not intellectually lazy. Everyone who reads your posts will benefit. Like not scratching their heads wondering what hyperbole you're talking about.

In other words, look it up, read what it means, and try to retain what the words say.

And provide an example of what you find in my rhetoric that is hyperbole.

I think I simply paraphrased what you wrote in your posts. The meaning wasn't lost though.
 
High level talent that lost his stardom to Coccaine and over eating. If he only stayed in school to learn the important fundamentals of life.

probably would have just done more coke if he went to college


edit. probably would have gained more weight eating at those dining halls too
 
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This thread is gold! I'm banging the table! With my head!
 
This thread is gold! I'm banging the table! With my head!

You're a funny guy.

Hopefully he's reading the WWW page about hyperbole with the pictures.
 
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I think players should come out as early as they realize they're gay. Of course, sometimes it takes an experience in college to bring them to that realization. College is all about experimentation.

Disgusting post. Coming out as a homosexual isn't something to use as a punchline.
 
Shawn Kemp is the most responsible player there is. He has paid child support faithfully on every kid. When the Blazers felt they hadn't gotten their money's worth, he optioned out of almost THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS and left to make $1 million per year in Orlando. All those $3M amounts added to every Pritchard trade to bribe opposing owners--Allen got that money from Kemp, and a lot more.

Kemp was doing lines in the Blazer locker room before games. I think I saw him outside of SafeCo Field last night trying to sell a Griffey Bobblehead.
 
The thing with the draft is its not a science and never will be, as much as everyone wishes they could master it. You can analyze the numbers all you want, you've got to look at each specific player individually and make a judgement call. And for all the background work being done, the situation they ultimately land in may have just as large of an effect on their ultimate success in the NBA. A lot of this is weighing upsides too. A GM may know the 3 or 4 year college guy is pretty likely to become some kind of rotation player while the one and done kid has a 20% chance of making it but if he does hes at least a starter if not better. I can see plenty of GMs going for the risky guy, as the safe bet isn't a difference maker in the scheme of things.

But to add to the argument, I think a lot of these guys would be wasting time staying any longer in college. What would Anthony Davis have to gain returning to Kentucky? He dominated as a freshman. Continuing to shit on inferior talent isn't going to help him as much as spending the early years of his career developing against better talent. But you get plenty of guys who don't dominate the NCAA but were highly touted prospects and are very talented kids. Conventional wisdom says those guys need more time in college to get the mental part of the game down, to grow into being a dominant player before moving to the next level. They usually leave early anyway and ride the pine somewhere. Some drop and end up on good teams with strong cultures a la Avery Bradley or Lance Stevenson or Eric Bledsoe. A lot of sort of disappear into the abyss though and you look back and wonder what they could have done if they stayed in college 3 years. Also look at guys like Blake Griffin or Harrison Barnes who didn't have great freshman years but stayed just the one extra year in college. They still came out very young and with big potential, but they had some extra polish that likely helped them contribute as rookies despite still being raw.

And yeah, as an 18 year old I absolutely thought I was a legitimate adult and pretty smart and mature. I'm 23 now and looking back at myself then, I was a complete fugging moron and still a child. And lets be honest, a lot of these guys come from poverty, single parent homes, from the hood, didn't take education seriously, probably have a highly inflated sense of self and a lot of hangers-on influencing them with agendas that aren't in their best interest. I think this is a big reason why a lot of these kids that go to NBA wastelands completely flame out while the ones who go to good teams with strong leadership and culture eventually pan out.

Michael Beasley dominated as a freshman at Kansas State. He's now trying to raise bail and fight felony drug charges.
 
I guess going to college to learn to drink responsibly is what the drinking age nonsense is really about. It's no strawman. You brought up the drinking age thing, not me.

I dont know what you're trying to prove because you make so little sense.

Have you read any of your posts over the past two to three months? Had a CT scan lately? It's weird, dude.
 
Michael Beasley dominated as a freshman at Kansas State. He's now trying to raise bail and fight felony drug charges.

Hes actually already out on bail and would those be felony drug charges in any other state? IIRC it was a reasonable amount of weed. Hes a moron, but that doesn't mean he would have been better off staying at K-State. He may have matured some but on the court he was head and shoulders above the competition. Like I said, you've got to look at guys on a case by case basis and make a judgement call. Not sure how much NBA teams knew about Beasley's background, but I reckon they all knew Derrick Rose (another one-and-done guy from the same year, battling with Beasley for the #1 overall pick) had a better head on his shoulders.

Besides, there's at least as many hyped up 4 year college guys who are "NBA ready" who get to the league and do nothing. Is that any worse than Beasley who has a marginal career (though I don't see him out of the NBA any time soon) but off court issues? Ideally you want a good player with a good attitude and no trouble, but I'll take the good player who gets caught with weed over the golden boy 4 year guy who gets smoked every time he gets on the floor.

You've got Beasley and Demarcus Cousins and you've got Derrick Rose, Anthony Davis, etc. You can't paint a broad brush over the draft and say seasoned college guys are the way to go 100% of the time or one and done guys are the way to go 100% of the time.
 
Hes actually already out on bail and would those be felony drug charges in any other state? IIRC it was a reasonable amount of weed. Hes a moron, but that doesn't mean he would have been better off staying at K-State. He may have matured some but on the court he was head and shoulders above the competition. Like I said, you've got to look at guys on a case by case basis and make a judgement call. Not sure how much NBA teams knew about Beasley's background, but I reckon they all knew Derrick Rose (another one-and-done guy from the same year, battling with Beasley for the #1 overall pick) had a better head on his shoulders.

Besides, there's at least as many hyped up 4 year college guys who are "NBA ready" who get to the league and do nothing. Is that any worse than Beasley who has a marginal career (though I don't see him out of the NBA any time soon) but off court issues? Ideally you want a good player with a good attitude and no trouble, but I'll take the good player who gets caught with weed over the golden boy 4 year guy who gets smoked every time he gets on the floor.

You've got Beasley and Demarcus Cousins and you've got Derrick Rose, Anthony Davis, etc. You can't paint a broad brush over the draft and say seasoned college guys are the way to go 100% of the time or one and done guys are the way to go 100% of the time.

After being drafted, Rose "fell asleep with a knife he was using to cut an apple" and cut himself pretty good. If you believe the story.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2008/12/derrick_rose_injures_self_on_h.html

Rumor was it was gang related, like a ritual or something.

I do think the organization rallied around Rose and they're giving him great guidance and he's listening.

I'm pretty sure his agent, Arm Tellem, is not a crook and steered him to a financial manager who won't let him blow through all his money.
 
Drinking age laws are blue laws. If you care to look up what that means.

The drinking age itself is not a blue law. Banning the sale of alcohol on Sunday would be the correct example. A "blue law" is a law designed to ban the sale of certain things on Sunday for religious standards. (These laws are unconstitutional IMHO)
 
Hes actually already out on bail and would those be felony drug charges in any other state? IIRC it was a reasonable amount of weed. Hes a moron, but that doesn't mean he would have been better off staying at K-State. He may have matured some but on the court he was head and shoulders above the competition. Like I said, you've got to look at guys on a case by case basis and make a judgement call. Not sure how much NBA teams knew about Beasley's background, but I reckon they all knew Derrick Rose (another one-and-done guy from the same year, battling with Beasley for the #1 overall pick) had a better head on his shoulders.

Besides, there's at least as many hyped up 4 year college guys who are "NBA ready" who get to the league and do nothing. Is that any worse than Beasley who has a marginal career (though I don't see him out of the NBA any time soon) but off court issues? Ideally you want a good player with a good attitude and no trouble, but I'll take the good player who gets caught with weed over the golden boy 4 year guy who gets smoked every time he gets on the floor.

You've got Beasley and Demarcus Cousins and you've got Derrick Rose, Anthony Davis, etc. You can't paint a broad brush over the draft and say seasoned college guys are the way to go 100% of the time or one and done guys are the way to go 100% of the time.

Christian latner comes to mind. Wasn't he a four year player with high expectations?
 
The drinking age itself is not a blue law. Banning the sale of alcohol on Sunday would be the correct example. A "blue law" is a law designed to ban the sale of certain things on Sunday for religious standards. (These laws are unconstitutional IMHO)

Lol Denny wrong again? Hmmm
 
After being drafted, Rose "fell asleep with a knife he was using to cut an apple" and cut himself pretty good. If you believe the story.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2008/12/derrick_rose_injures_self_on_h.html

Rumor was it was gang related, like a ritual or something.

I do think the organization rallied around Rose and they're giving him great guidance and he's listening.

I'm pretty sure his agent, Arm Tellem, is not a crook and steered him to a financial manager who won't let him blow through all his money.

FOX "news" level of reporting there Denny. :press: It's the equivalent of the "some people are saying" brand of news.

"some people are saying Derrick was lying and that he was really in a gang fight!"

:smiley-whatever:
 
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