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Tince said:
The Warriors are $90m over the cap, in 11th place, and didn't shave salary at the deadline. Not sure if that shows how committed their ownership is to winning or how badly their front office is screwing them in the future.
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they are well over the 2nd apron so the new CBA constraints had them in a straight-jacket. Couldn't happen to a more deserving franchise
 
B-Roy said:


Not a fan of Joe, but I'm just not seeing what there is to be upset about today. Seems people are mad that he wasn't able to manufacture trade value that didn't exist or we're somehow hindering the development of our young players by keeping some of these guys. Just don't agree with either assessment.
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really need to know what Portland was asking for and what was offered to make that judgement. Cronin could have been asking for two 1st's
 
PCmor7 said:
Someone I know pretty well posted something like this a couple of days ago. Once you get to a certain point, having a glut of draft picks depreciates their value because the ones coming along later have to beat out the ones that already are there trying to prove they can be part of a winning rotation. You don't have enough roster spots and even fewer opportunities for meaningful playing time.

The value in the picks then just becomes as trade chips, so you're relying on a partner that's willing to give you something vital for them.

On top of that, if you've drafted well, at least some of those draft picks are going to drop further and further down the round, which diminishes their value both to you and to potential trade partners.
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add to that we already have 10 players on the team in their rookie or sophomore seasons.
 
wizenheimer said:
really need to know what Portland was asking for and what was offered to make that judgement. Cronin could have been asking for two 1st's
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And I would applaud him if so.
Hold firm Joe. Brogdon is worth two middle firsts or a lotto first to me. Nothing less, or his value is better off staying on this team.
Here is something not mentioned from what I’ve read.
If he sold low on Brogdon as some seem to have wanted, doesn’t that somewhat hamstring future negotiations? Other GMs thinking the can fleece him? I’m in Joes camp on this. He is playing hardball and we need that. He may be taking a chance, but I’d rather have a GM taking a chance rather than just selling low, showing the other teams they can rake him.
People who complain he hasn’t done well so far would have continued to say so for a middle first or couple seconds.
In my view, good job Joe!

He is playing the long game when everyone thinks it’s shortsided and want an instant drive thru decision.
 
oldfisherman said:
If the only options are, taking a bad deal, or no deal. I am in the no deal camp all day long.

And I do not agree the Blazers lack a direction or plan. The plan and young players are taking longer to develop than most would like. The NBA is not a video game where instant results are the norm.
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Scoot was supposed to be NBA ready coming out of the draft, So you would think his development should have been able to move along a bit quicker.
 
MickZagger said:
If the people above him even realize he’s incompetent?
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That’s a whole other bag of worms. We don’t really know who is pulling the strings here. Does Joe have free rein or is someone restricting his options?
Based on my fan view of the penny pinching? I see above him as not allowing him to make a move on Brogdon unless it was stellar because they want to maximize the value of him. Above him I think are scared shittless of having the end result of the Dame trade look bad.
Fricken Vulcans…
 
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
add to that we already have 10 players on the team in their rookie or sophomore seasons.
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With potentially two more in the top 10 later this year and two others between 30 and 40. And a high probability of another lottery pick in 2025 not because there isn't talent on the team but because the talent is so young.

We're not talking just a lot of picks. We're talking a lot of quality picks. The Blazers are in a position to get guys they want because there's not going to be a lot ahead of them to steal those players.

And the Blazers probably aren't going to be taking a PG or 2G with those picks, plus the C they have is young. They can be largely focused on filling a couple of positions of need.
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL, geeeezuzzz...Olshey isn't around to trade two "middle first's" for Brogdon. He's the only GM that might do it
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Huh? Olshey wasn’t competent enough to do that. He would have asked for three at minimum. Or a borderline all star in return.
You think Joe wouldn’t have traded Brogdon for two 1st and the obvious salary filler?

I think so.
 
PCmor7 said:
With potentially two more in the top 10 later this year and two others between 30 and 40. And a high probability of another lottery pick in 2025 not because there isn't talent on the team but because the talent is so young.

We're not talking just a lot of picks. We're talking a lot of quality picks. The Blazers are in a position to get guys they want because there's not going to be a lot ahead of them to steal those players.

And the Blazers probably aren't going to be taking a PG or 2G with those picks, plus the C they have is young. They can be largely focused on filling a couple of positions of need.
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I wish more people could see this sensible rationale…
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Huh? Olshey wasn’t competent enough to do that. He would have asked for three at minimum. Or a borderline all star in return.
You think Joe wouldn’t have traded Brogdon for two 1st and the obvious salary filler?

I think so.
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wut?

I said, or at least implied, that no GM would be stupid enough to offer two first round picks for Brogdon. I doubt Cronin would be stupid enough to ask for two first's, but I don't know what he was asking
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I wish more people could see this sensible rationale…
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People in general get caught up in the shiny, new toy.

Hey, you're OKC and you pick a guy 29th that looks like he's got a chance. It's exciting for fans. Then they never see him because you get to camp and he's a PG and he's nowhere close to being SGA.

It was nice to have that late 1R pick, but once you put it into the context of your actual roster, it turns into a virtually meaningless addition to your roster.
 
For some reason blazers fans and management seem to think getting nothing is better than getting something.

Stop holding onto assets for the hope they’ll fetch more later. A bird in the hand is worth more than a bird in the bush.
 
Predator said:
For some reason blazers fans and management seem to think getting nothing is better than getting something.

Stop holding onto assets for the hope they’ll fetch more later. A bird in the hand is worth more than a bird in the bush.
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Using your analogy, wouldn't Brogdon and Grant be the birds in hand?
 
Predator said:
For some reason blazers fans and management seem to think getting nothing is better than getting something.

Stop holding onto assets for the hope they’ll fetch more later. A bird in the hand is worth more than a bird in the bush.
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so you’d be happy with a deal like Fournier and a shitty 1st for brogdon?
Glad you’re not the GM
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Huh? Olshey wasn’t competent enough to do that. He would have asked for three at minimum. Or a borderline all star in return.
You think Joe wouldn’t have traded Brogdon for two 1st and the obvious salary filler?

I think so.
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I took his point to be that Olshey gave away Blazers picks like they were dime-store candy. He traded two mid-firsts for RoCo, who wasn't as valuable a player as Brogdon. If Olshey were with some other team, we might get three firsts for Brogdon because Olshey always undervalued his draft picks and seemingly felt he needed to overpay to get talent to come here, even in trade (and, seeing him in press conferences, maybe he did because other GMs just didn't like him).
 
blazedanugz said:
so you’d be happy with a deal like Fournier and a shitty 1st for brogdon?
Glad you’re not the GM
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That's what I was expecting, a guy we would probably waive on an expiring and a playoff team's FRP for Malcolm. I thought we could get more if we were taking on a bad contract. For Jerami I thought we could either get two late firsts, a late first and a good prospect, a good prospect, two lotto protected future firsts and a bad contract or something along those lines.

I have a feeling based on all of the chatter around the league about how much a bunch of different teams liked both Malcolm and Jerami that those were the types of offers that were coming in and they weren't good enough for Cronin. You can applaud him for that but I think it was foolish to keep these guys if something like those offers were on the table.

The fact is Joe put it out there to multiple local and national reporters that he wanted to keep Jerami and Malcolm unless someone blew him away with an offer that sounded like it would have to be an overpay. Well Joe got what he wanted we're a .300 team with two vets whose value isn't going up and don't fit our timeline for when we'll need guys like them to win playoff games.
 
On the bright side: I think Brogdon is helping Scoot's development, by allowing him to come off the bench.
 
Tince said:
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Yep. This dude wanted to keep this roster together. That just about says it all.

The only solace I had when we traded Dame was the idea that we would go all in on a youth rebuild and Joe can't even give us that. Just half assing it.
 
PCmor7 said:
Breathe, Torey. Breathe.

First, that hasn't happened yet. Second, even if that happens, we don't know how they'd balance it out, if Shaedon might play some 3 in a small lineup or what. Third, Shaedon's not part of the equation at the current time.
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I'm trying to breathe, but Joe Cronin's recent quote confirms my fears are real and knocked the wind out of me. Help.
 
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