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BankTeller said:
Look, I agree with you. I don’t mind not scoring over 100, and it should definitely be about developing the young guys.

But the same people who say this team needs vets to establish a winning culture are for some reason surprised that a couple vets can’t actually help young guys establish a winning culture when they don’t really even know how to play yet. Inconsistency irritates me. I’ve been ready to embrace the temporary losing for a long time, doesn’t seem like all of us are.

So yeah, that remark was more geared towards the people who say Grant and Ant are ball stoppers, but the offense absolutely looks better with them in the lineup. Not even a debate. The occasional 10ast game from Scoot or an occasional game where we win because we moved the ball a little better than usual won’t fool me.
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There are two types of losing.

Losing but gaining experience to improve play

Losing and not gaining experience to improve play

I'm seeing more of the second than the first. Same mistakes game after game. Spacing is complete shit. Passing in the paint is terrible because of this. Just one of many issues this team has that they are not improving on when they can, regardless of the end result of the game. I'm seeing no improvements in almost anything.
 
BankTeller said:
Lowry is just as good at being a vet as Brogdon. Those who want to keep Brogdon specifically are pointing to the fact that he can still play, which is the problem. They’re masking their desire to actually win a couple more games with their desire for ‘vet leadership’ to guide young guys.

Guys who are 10+ years older that have a good history of being good culture guys (Jared Dudley for a long time is a great example) all work as vets. Robin Lopez even could be that kind of guy. I remember as soon as Lopez got here, he immediately referred to Meyers as ‘his guy’, really upping the confidence of a guy who generally was aloof for most of his career.
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I agreed with this. A quality vet on a team meant to mentor the youth doesn't even really need to see the court. they just need a high basketball IQ a friendly caring personality and the ability to show the young guys the ropes of the league OFF the court.

Just listened to that JJ Reddick interview with Ant and they touched upon the mentoring aspect. Its huge for young guys.
 
BankTeller said:
Lowry is just as good at being a vet as Brogdon. Those who want to keep Brogdon specifically are pointing to the fact that he can still play, which is the problem. They’re masking their desire to actually win a couple more games with their desire for ‘vet leadership’ to guide young guys.

Guys who are 10+ years older that have a good history of being good culture guys (Jared Dudley for a long time is a great example) all work as vets. Robin Lopez even could be that kind of guy. I remember as soon as Lopez got here, he immediately referred to Meyers as ‘his guy’, really upping the confidence of a guy who generally was aloof for most of his career.
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Is Lowry going to be as willing to accept that role though? Hard to say. I did not think CP3 was going to work in OKC and he embraced it. He was able to start though.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
What is the difference between a flip flopper and someone who changed their mind based on more information? Come on now... Don't be so easily irritated. Not trying to bring politics into this, but did those who voted for Trump the first time but Biden the second irritate you also?

Look. I'm not changing my mind based on good vs bad play. Its the improvements or lack of, schemes, rotations, etc. I'm not seeing progression in almost anything other than Scoots timing(slowing down a bit).

3 years ago, I wanted Dame to retire as a Blazer and if I had my way, even today, I would still rather have that. So I don't think I'm flip flopping as much as addressing the current situation and understanding that we made mistakes in the past that are now coming back to bite us in the ass. And the key is I'm not seeing any decisions being made that are much different than the mistakes of the past. So with that said, Since we DONT seem to be changing much, I look back with 20/20 vision and wish we would have traded him 2-3 years ago, or not traded him at all.

Yes I understand trading him now(this last summer) is supposed to speed up the rebuild process, but i'm not seeing it unless we go full on rebuild, which, so far, we have not.

If you consider that flip flopping, then I don't know what to tell ya People change their minds based on more info all the time, both in personal and professional circumstances.
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I think you’re taking this to places it doesn’t have to go lol. Yeah, there are levels of irritation. This is just sports, obviously the level of irritation is at the bottom of the totem pole. But inconsistency irritates me nonetheless.

I feel like you’re getting a little defensive in thinking I’m speaking directly to you, when I’m not, so you can chillax lol. I wasn’t speaking about anything in regards to trading Dame. Your opinion probably changed in a matter of months, not game-to-game. There are people who don’t actually know what they want, they think winning a couple games with the vets in makes us closer to competing than they thing. When we lose, the vets are shooting too much, Brogdon dribbles too much, etc. The reality is, we were going to be bad with or without the vets, if you believed the vets should still be here because ‘vet leadership’, whether or not we win or lose a few more games shouldn’t matter. Personality of the vet is what determines his level of vet leadership, not whether or not a vet can contribute on the floor for 30mpg.

You’re right, people are allowed to change their minds. Changing your mind is a constant reminder to yourself that you’re still thinking. But I can read some of these comments and tell that they’re aren’t, lol. That’s just me though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
 
BankTeller said:
I think you’re taking this to places it doesn’t have to go lol. Yeah, there are levels of irritation. This is just sports, obviously the level of irritation is at the bottom of the totem pole. But inconsistency irritates me nonetheless.

I feel like you’re getting a little defensive in thinking I’m speaking directly to you, when I’m not, so you can chillax lol. I wasn’t speaking about anything in regards to trading Dame. Your opinion probably changed in a matter of months, not game-to-game. There are people who don’t actually know what they want, they think winning a couple games with the vets in makes us closer to competing than they thing. When we lose, the vets are shooting too much, Brogdon dribbles too much, etc. The reality is, we were going to be bad with or without the vets, if you believed the vets should still be here because ‘vet leadership’, whether or not we win or lose a few more games shouldn’t matter. Personality of the vet is what determines his level of vet leadership, not whether or not a vet can contribute on the floor for 30mpg.

You’re right, people are allowed to change their minds. Changing your mind is a constant reminder to yourself that you’re still thinking. But I can read some of these comments and tell that they’re aren’t, lol. That’s just me though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Okay fair enough, and you are correct, my mind has changed some over months, not game to game. Thanks for clarifying the irritation. I absolutely thought you meant me directly and I think i've been fairly consistent in my desires and opinion of the team.

I did want vets on the team to help the youngsters, but there are many types of vets and I wonder if the day to day flipfloppers you touch on are not clear on what a good vet vs a bad vet for this team would be.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
There are two types of losing.

Losing but gaining experience to improve play

Losing and not gaining experience to improve play

I'm seeing more of the second than the first. Same mistakes game after game. Spacing is complete shit. Passing in the paint is terrible because of this. Just one of many issues this team has that they are not improving on when they can, regardless of the end result of the game. I'm seeing no improvements in almost anything.
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That might be the case, but there isn’t really a fix until the young guys get better at making reads and other facets of the game. You could fire Chauncey today, I don’t see that happening. You could have a firesale on whatever vets you want to trade, that’s more likely.

Maybe Chauncey isn’t that dude. Someone mentioned on Reddit how Edwards didn’t ascend until year 2 until Flip Saunders was gone. Who knows. I just don’t want the losing to always bring on bad reactions. We already know the guys who are our cornerstones are still raw as hell. It seems like I’m one of the few that are feeling upbeat about everything lol.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Is Lowry going to be as willing to accept that role though? Hard to say. I did not think CP3 was going to work in OKC and he embraced it. He was able to start though.
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The difference is that no one was going to trade for CP3 anyway, so he was really left with no choice. Yeah, Lowry would want to just stop winning rings. But he has a relationship with Chauncey. If Chauncey assures Lowry that his career is already cemented and we give him, idk, a one year $10m contract, he might want to come. That contract is easily moveable if he wants to be gone next deadline to compete with a contender.

He’s also just one name. There are other vets. As I’ve said before, the term ‘vet’ has just been convoluted into something too complicated.
 
BankTeller said:
That might be the case, but there isn’t really a fix until the young guys get better at making reads and other facets of the game. You could fire Chauncey today, I don’t see that happening. You could have a firesale on whatever vets you want to trade, that’s more likely.

Maybe Chauncey isn’t that dude. Someone mentioned on Reddit how Edwards didn’t ascend until year 2 until Flip Saunders was gone. Who knows. I just don’t want the losing to always bring on bad reactions. We already know the guys who are our cornerstones are still raw as hell. It seems like I’m one of the few that are feeling upbeat about everything lol.
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Im a bit torn on Billups. Ive liked the hire from the get go based on his defensive emphasis. I like how he grabs guys heading out of the gamer and explains things to them right then and there, situationally. I like his calm demeanor overall. I am starting to question his offensive coaching, but then I think evaluating a coach is very difficult. How does one know the coach is bad vs the players just not following the coach even if they are trying to?

Do we have high BBIQ players? I agree with you. I think changing the coach will have less of an impact than a change of the vets. But I could very well be wrong and Spoeltra may have this team in the play in if he were here.

What I do know is there are no absolutely correct answers from fans. even if we think we are in the know, we aren't. We have no clue what is being worked on during practices, what's being emphasized in the film room, etc.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Im a bit torn on Billups. Ive liked the hire from the get go based on his defensive emphasis. I like how he grabs guys heading out of the gamer and explains things to them right then and there, situationally. I like his calm demeanor overall. I am starting to question his offensive coaching, but then I think evaluating a coach is very difficult. How does one know the coach is bad vs the players just not following the coach even if they are trying to?

Do we have high BBIQ players? I agree with you. I think changing the coach will have less of an impact than a change of the vets. But I could very well be wrong and Spoeltra may have this team in the play in if he were here.

What I do know is there are no absolutely correct answers from fans. even if we think we are in the know, we aren't. We have no clue what is being worked on during practices, what's being emphasized in the film room, etc.
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He is ok at coaching players at an individual level. He doesn't know how to coach a team.

You like his defensive emphasis? Haven't seen much defense lately.
 
Chris Craig said:
He is ok at coaching players at an individual level. He doesn't know how to coach a team.

You like his defensive emphasis? Haven't seen much defense lately.
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I meant from the outset when he was hired and brought in. I liked the thought of defense being an emphasis. Have I seen it? At times. But the Injuries and rotations play a big part of team defensw cohesion.
FYI. I left defense spelled wrong. I had it just as I have it in the fyi, but I was autocorrected to defensw????
Wtf? lol.
 
Cugel said:
I think POR should make everyone on the roster available. Need FRPs. I think it's becoming clearer the team doesn't likely have a bona fide all-nba franchise guy. The team has no leader.
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Everyone should be available but I think both Scoot and Shae have all-nba potential. Scoot definitely could be a leader. I don’t think they’re untouchable just probably more valuable to us than others. I actually hope we trade Ant, Tisse, Deandre and obviously both Malcolm and Jerami.
 
One team I had not thought about as a landing spot for Lavine is Golden St. That might make sense for them sooner than later.
 
blazerkor said:
Everyone should be available but I think both Scoot and Shae have all-nba potential. Scoot definitely could be a leader. I don’t think they’re untouchable just probably more valuable to us than others. I actually hope we trade Ant, Tisse, Deandre and obviously both Malcolm and Jerami.
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Scoot definitely looks like a leader to me. He’s still a legit bonafide PG. Even the most talented teams struggle without a true PG. The Suns have three AS players, but they’re struggling, even with Booker diming it than he’s ever had in his career. His playmaking has been IMPRESSIVE, we’d be very lucky if Shae was ever that level of playmaker, but Booker still isn’t a true PG.

We’re going to need Scoot down the line. We already drafted him, I’m trying to milk everything out of his potential for the next 2.5 years before I consider anything. Killian Hayes has gotten more of a chance with Detroit, Scoot is an infinitely better prospect.
 
Everyone up in arms about losing in horrific fashion, ask yourselves: would you rather be the Jazz right now?

They’re much better than us despite also being a lotto team. They have an AS, and abunch of guys like Sexton/Clarkson/etc, dudes like Grant and Brogdon.

We have Shae and Scoot, who we hope have superstar potential. The Jazz aren’t really even playing Hendricks, who I really like, but he’s not a franchise player. This isn’t really a draft year to mention this, but we currently have two lotto picks, while they could possibly lose theirs to OKC because they want to push for a play-in. Regardless though, having two high picks compared to zero in ANY draft offers more stabs at an impactful player, even if scouts are predicting no star potential guys.

I’m willing to bet probably a pair of 100 level tickets that in 3-4 years, we are in a better spot than the Jazz, simply because we didn’t delay the tank as long as the Jazz seem to be doing.
 
BankTeller said:
Everyone up in arms about losing in horrific fashion, ask yourselves: would you rather be the Jazz right now?

They’re much better than us despite also being a lotto team. They have an AS, and abunch of guys like Sexton/Clarkson/etc, dudes like Grant and Brogdon.

We have Shae and Scoot, who we hope have superstar potential. The Jazz aren’t really even playing Hendricks, who I really like, but he’s not a franchise player. This isn’t really a draft year to mention this, but we currently have two lotto picks, while they could possibly lose theirs to OKC because they want to push for a play-in. Regardless though, having two high picks compared to zero in ANY draft offers more stabs at an impactful player, even if scouts are predicting no star potential guys.

I’m willing to bet probably a pair of 100 level tickets that in 3-4 years, we are in a better spot than the Jazz, simply because we didn’t delay the tank as long as the Jazz seem to be doing.
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Ainge recognizes he's stuck in the middle. That's where he's offering up Lauri.
 
AmirIcon said:
Ainge recognizes he's stuck in the middle. That's where he's offering up Lauri.
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With one more year left, and no player worth tanking for necessarily, I think they trade him this summer rather than the deadline. They’re already in the play-in and are playing well, they might just go for it and hope for a playoff berth (and get rid of that pick obligation in a bad draft) to up the value on their vets, then trade out all of them to cash in on the ‘25 draft.

That’d also bode well for us. It keeps another competitor in the play-in hunt so GS is still on the outside looking in.
 
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BankTeller said:
Everyone up in arms about losing in horrific fashion, ask yourselves: would you rather be the Jazz right now?

They’re much better than us despite also being a lotto team. They have an AS, and abunch of guys like Sexton/Clarkson/etc, dudes like Grant and Brogdon.

We have Shae and Scoot, who we hope have superstar potential. The Jazz aren’t really even playing Hendricks, who I really like, but he’s not a franchise player. This isn’t really a draft year to mention this, but we currently have two lotto picks, while they could possibly lose theirs to OKC because they want to push for a play-in. Regardless though, having two high picks compared to zero in ANY draft offers more stabs at an impactful player, even if scouts are predicting no star potential guys.

I’m willing to bet probably a pair of 100 level tickets that in 3-4 years, we are in a better spot than the Jazz, simply because we didn’t delay the tank as long as the Jazz seem to be doing.
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Exactly. IMO, winning a title without a legit MVP is tough. How does Utah plan on getting that type of player? It is going to require a lot of luck for anyone but especially them.
 
Cugel said:
Head scratcher
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As has been a lot of Detroit's moves. Not sure what they are doing. The Bagley signing did not make much sense then and now trading two seconds to get rid of it show how bad it was. They have not used cap space at all. Weaver learned nothing in OKC.
 
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