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It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with Cops being good or bad. It has everything to do with a culture that treats Black people differently. The cop that pulled Moe Harkless over was not a "Shitty" person. He has been programmed to respond a certain way to a Black man driving his car in a certain neighborhood. Maybe there was good reason? But i'm willing to bet my life there was absolutely NO "Suspicious Activity" in the area.
 
kjironman1 said:
It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with Cops being good or bad. It has everything to do with a culture that treats Black people differently. The cop that pulled Moe Harkless over was not a "Shitty" person. He has been programmed to respond a certain way to a Black man driving his car in a certain neighborhood. Maybe there was good reason? But i'm willing to bet my life there was absolutely NO "Suspicious Activity" in the area.
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Are the cops who murder people "shitty" people? Was the guy who killed George Floyd a shitty person? I honestly don't know why you're so hung up on this. Nobody said that all cops are shitty people. You're picking the most bizarre hill to die on.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Who the hell cares anymore, I wasn’t gonna watch any games after we got dealt with anyway. Fuck it.

I’m just tired as a human being. I just wanted 2-3 hours to escape and watch the team I love, and it’s gone now anyway. Back to depression, over-working myself, and coming home to avoid all the negativity that consumes my TV sets screen that I can.
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You seem to really get it. Lol.
 
Propagandist said:
You seem to really get it. Lol.
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Oh I get it, you think I’m some asshole who supports police shooting black men? I’m not. It’s terrible, it’s wrong, and unacceptable. However, in regards to Mr. Blake, from all that I’ve seen, and read, this ain’t the person to become a martyr to halt the nation over. The excessive 7 rounds was wholly unnecessary and excessive, you won’t get an argument with me over that. However, when you have a warrant for your arrest for sexually assaulting a child, get tased, still continue to not comply, reach into your vehicle when directly being told not to, reportedly have a knife on you... I’m worn out, what do you want to happen? Tackle him and pin him down? Can’t do that after Floyd. Try to take him down? Have it possibly turn into a Rayshard Brooks scenario? It’s almost to the point where the only thing that I feel people will accept in any situation with police and black Americans with warrants/resisting arrest is absolutely nothing, just let them go.

I have no answers, I’m concerned for my child’s well being as she is black (mixed), I don’t want her to be discriminated against by law enforcement by any means. That shit clearly happens, but I also don’t think we should be accepting resisting arrest, fighting/killing police, and destroying communities that literally did nothing wrong. I’m just a sad, depressed, piece of shit...
 
GhostOfPGA said:
https://lakecountygazette.com/stori...long-history-with-lake-county-law-enforcement

I’ve only heard via many posts on the internet that the victim is a minor. I can’t confirm that but the warrant stands.
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
https://www.nbc15.com/2020/08/26/ke...-identified-as-atty-gen-releases-new-details/

From the article:

Court records show there was an active arrest warrant against Mr Blake, related to charges of sexual assault, trespassing and disorderly conduct. But it is unclear if police were aware of this at the time of his shooting.
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Seems like not a good dude but not a child rapist.

The newspaper reported that a woman living in the 2800 block of 40th Street told police in May that Blake, her ex-boyfriend, had come into her home and taken her car keys and vehicle. She also said he had touched her sexually without consent.

https://www.newsweek.com/jacob-black-criminal-record-details-kenosha-shooting-1527708

There is no evidence that Blake is a "child rapist," as the Facebook post claims.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/26/facebook-posts/jacob-blake-not-child-rapist/​
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Seems like not a good dude but not a child rapist.

The newspaper reported that a woman living in the 2800 block of 40th Street told police in May that Blake, her ex-boyfriend, had come into her home and taken her car keys and vehicle. She also said he had touched her sexually without consent.

https://www.newsweek.com/jacob-black-criminal-record-details-kenosha-shooting-1527708

There is no evidence that Blake is a "child rapist," as the Facebook post claims.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/26/facebook-posts/jacob-blake-not-child-rapist/​
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I did not say he was... I was simply posting what his warrants were for.
 
Jon said:
1, they fired twice and it did nothing, so they fired to get him to stop reaching for something.
2, the cops arent at fault for this happening in front of children. do not blame them for this.
3, if you had a violent offender wrestle you down, you pulled out a taser and it didnt work, they got up, and went to their drivers door to reach for something, what are you going to do? stand there and just let him do whatever he wants? come on now.
4, he didnt die.
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Holy fuck!
 
riverman said:
I would not be surprised to see new leagues formed with a focus on black ownership and upper management moving forward..especially if the NBA squeezes the cap and cuts back on contracts or salaries.....
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New leagues will mean even less money for players. If I remember correctly, there are only 13 black billionaires in the world, so, who is gonna be paying these athletes the 30+ mil per year they want?
 
GhostOfPGA said:
If I remember correctly, there are only 13 black billionaires in the world
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If that's true, that goes a long way in pointing out a major problem in this world with systemic racism. But, to answer your question, there can be ownership teams...each team doesn't have to be bankrolled by one person.
 
Minstrel said:
If that's true, that goes a long way in pointing out a major problem in this world with systemic racism. But, to answer your question, there can be ownership teams...each team doesn't have to be bankrolled by one person.
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I think it goes more in hand with how Africa as a continent is so poor and ravaged from infighting and genocides. It’s a ginormous continent with into the billions of people, and swaths of natural resources but because of the extraordinary amount of corruption and wars, not many can actually build a legitimate financial empire.


Yeah, no shit on the multiple owner things, but it’s an investment... a shaky one at that, as ad revenue will not be that strong, fanbases will be very split, and you’re almost guaranteed taking a loss while paying athletes who’s ability can diminish in an instant MASSIVE amounts of money.

The only reason the NBA can succeed is because they’re so entrenched into their communities (generations of fans) and are financed by massive billionaires and big advertising.


tl;dr it’s not fiscally possible to succeed.
 
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GhostOfPGA said:
New leagues will mean even less money for players. If I remember correctly, there are only 13 black billionaires in the world, so, who is gonna be paying these athletes the 30+ mil per year they want?
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Those big paydays in the NBA may be a thing of the past as well...same as the days of getting 20 million to make a movie for an actor....shit's not the same anymore and may not revert to what we've become accustomed to...the attraction is ownership and management...Melo discusses this on his Melo Monday interviews ..CJ has talked about it...Nelson George wrote a book about it using the Negro baseball leagues..(that's what they were called) as an example...when Jackie Robinson joined the white leagues, blacks lost ownership and control of their own leagues....it's not all about billionaires. Hell Ice Cube started a 3 on 3 league and he's no Bill Gates
 
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GhostOfPGA said:
I think it goes more in hand with how Africa as a continent is so poor and ravaged from infighting and genocides. It’s a ginormous continent with into the billions of people, and swaths of natural resources but because of the extraordinary amount of corruption and wars, not many can actually build a legitimate financial empire.
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Yeah, it has nothing at all to do with constant exploitation of that continent by colonial powers. It's (almost) entirely because it's a "complicated area." Similarly, there are few black billionaires in this country because they're largely lazy and the ghettos are poor and ravaged by infighting and black-on-black crime. No overt or systemic racism at all--or, if there was any, it's more of a minor factor in a very complicated situation.
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, it has nothing at all to do with constant exploitation of that continent by colonial powers. It's (almost) entirely because it's a "complicated area." Similarly, there are few black billionaires in this country because they're largely lazy and the ghettos are poor and ravaged by infighting and black-on-black crime. No overt or systemic racism at all--or, if there was any, it's more of a minor factor in a very complicated situation.
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Being a billionaire is rare as fuck for any race, and most that are either inherited wealth, natural resources, or hit the financial nail and built empires, so your putting words in my mouth to make it seem like I’m coming from a racist point of view is very skewed.

Of course racism has played a major part in Africa’s history and formation but to just deny that lack of education, genocide, and corruption aren’t also major issues is basically putting kid gloves on and blaming the white race for all their issues.

On to the American issue with lack of black billionaires, that will change within the next few years, or I’d like to hope so. The question I’d like to propose is why does the average black American makes less in America than the average African immigrant? They come here with nothing, but succeed at a higher level, could it possibly be that in America there is a cultural issue that is also holding black Americans back along with racism (as that would effect the African immigrant as well).
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Being a billionaire is rare as fuck for any race, and most that are either inherited wealth, natural resources, or hit the financial nail and built empires, so your putting words in my mouth to make it seem like I’m coming from a racist point of view is very skewed.

Of course racism has played a major part in Africa’s history and formation but to just deny that lack of education, genocide, and corruption aren’t also major issues is basically putting kid gloves on and blaming the white race for all their issues.

On to the American issue with lack of black billionaires, that will change within the next few years, or I’d like to hope so. The question I’d like to propose is why does the average black American makes less in America than the average African immigrant? They come here with nothing, but succeed at a higher level, could it possibly be that in America there is a cultural issue that is also holding black Americans back along with racism (as that would effect the African immigrant as well).
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Most immigrants that come here without just crossing the border were relatively well off compared to most of their home country. Just something to take into account.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Of course racism has played a major part in Africa’s history and formation but to just deny that lack of education, genocide, and corruption aren’t also major issues is basically putting kid gloves on and blaming the white race for all their issues.
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There's a couple things here:

1. Why is there a lack of education, why is there genocide and corruption? Why is it so much worse than anywhere else? Do you think any of that exploitation has something to do with the native African populations being impoverished and lacking in a lot of infrastructure that benefits them (like education) as opposed to infrastructure that benefited those colonial powers (like diamond mines)?

2. My other question is--if you're taking the kid gloves off and not "blaming the white race" (and, for the record, I wasn't "blaming the white race," but rather blaming colonial powers, which is a somewhat different thing), what do you ascribe Africa's more general struggles to? Are they just a lesser race? And no, that's not race-baiting, I'm not saying you believe that. I'm trying to cut through vague rhetoric and asking you to take a more direct approach--if you don't think exploitation has a huge effect, how do you explain their much worse position over the past few centuries? Why are they so prone to "infighting and genocide" and so lacking in education? Is it something about them?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Most immigrants that come here without just crossing the border were relatively well off compared to most of their home country. Just something to take into account.
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Still my point is, a lot come here, live in the same neighborhoods as many black Americans, have to find jobs, but find success at a higher rate. Why is that? I think it’s fair to say there is a cultural issue that isn’t being addressed.

There is a disconnect to between black Americans and African immigrants from my notably anecdotal experience (to be fair), my daughters mothers side of the family has said so much wacky shit regarding Africans coming in and taking shit that should be “theirs” including businesses like salons and general stores. I’m always baffled by that, and I’ve had countless uncomfortable conversations with that side of the family (the Farrakhan is a racist line did not go over well lol) I feel those have definitely broadened my mind, made me reflect quite a bit, but also realize the inherent flaws in a lot of thinking of this particular family (Including my own at times). I bet that a lot of black families around America hold those views too though.

Sorry for the rant.
 
Reep said:
The solutions is obvious. Bypass due process and fact gathering, fire all officers on the location immediately and try them all for attempted murder. Right? I think all NBA players should sit out until that happens. Nothing less than that will suffice.
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What a dumb reply.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
https://lakecountygazette.com/stori...long-history-with-lake-county-law-enforcement

I’ve only heard via many posts on the internet that the victim is a minor. I can’t confirm that but the warrant stands.
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So sure... Lets just go all facebook fake news and throw "Child Rapist" in there because someone told someone else and of course because my friends aunt who doesn't know anything is sure she read it somewhere so it must be true.
If you can't confirm that? Why did you go there? To make your point? Because why? It's called systemic RACISM bro. Try to figure that out.
 
Minstrel said:
I doubt you'd find putting on trial a black person who gunned down a white person on video a "violation of due process." Police have generally been immune from "due process" in our nation's history, right up to present day. Until recently, putting a cop on trial has been generally unthinkable. That's why the nationwide protests and why NBA players are considering boycotts. It's finally becoming thinkable.
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It's a shame this has to be explained.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Seems like not a good dude but not a child rapist.

The newspaper reported that a woman living in the 2800 block of 40th Street told police in May that Blake, her ex-boyfriend, had come into her home and taken her car keys and vehicle. She also said he had touched her sexually without consent.
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Even more so this is a domestic issue. Once there are two people who were once a couple pressing charges against each other you end up with a very messy situation. How many times has he driven that car? Does he make the payments for that car? Was there prior arrangements for him to use that car so he could take his children somewhere? Did the woman involved then change the deal and decide to coerce him into some other deal? What exactly is "touching her sexually without consent"? Can they confirm this? Is she saying he tried to rape her?

Also why would you say "Seems like not a good dude"? If getting into an altercation with your ex that leads to any kind of charges or restraining order makes you "Not a good dude" then i guess i'm not a good dude.
Gonna have to change my moniker name to "Not a good dude!" now. Or i can make it easier how about "Bad Man!"
 
IF he was a child molester (etc), then I would suspect that white guys (and people of other color) would be getting shot and killed at the same rate by the police. Somehow, I don't think they do.
 
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