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Going to be another issue when mid term and 2024 come around.
Im a pro immigration dude but I'm also for sound management and believe there can be more done to reform immigration.
 
We need to have a better system for immigrants so that they come through the checkpoints rather than thinking they have to cross rivers and dig under/ climb over fences to get a slice of freedom.

We need to have judges, more of them, just for these cases, so things can be expedited. Or issue them temporary status and let them in, knowing who they are, and with a later court date to affirm citizenary.
 
The immigration “problem” should have and could have been solved early in the GW Bush administration. It was the last time there was actual bipartisan support to come up with feasible solutions. Dumbya dug his heels in because his rich ranching, farming and business buddies wanted nothing to do with anything that would interfere with their source of cheap labor. Since then, the problem had gotten even bigger, with fewer solutions (or bipartisan agreement) now feasible. The current “crisis” is truly on the Republicans for sitting on their hands instead of actually governing twenty plus years ago. Same old shit, different day………..
 
We need to have serious punishment and enforcement of the punishments for the HIRING, RENTING TO, and DOING ANY BUSINESS WITH illegals.

What we're doing now is cruel, we are creating an exploitable workforce and turning a blind eye to it.

If illegal immigration is really this giant problem then we need to act like it.

This is like if we tried to solve illegal drug use by only arresting and punishing drug users and never going after the drug dealers.

Right now we are demonizing these people, treating them like they are subhuman, and then allowing businesses and individuals to profit off of them and victimize them.

There are multiple industries in this country whose business model is dependent on illegal immigrants.

And I'm not talking about just farmers.

Our meat processing plants, roofing companies, landscaping, just to name a few.

We can't truly solve this problem unless we actually have an idea of how big of a "problem" this is.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We need to have serious punishment and enforcement of the punishments for the HIRING, RENTING TO, and DOING ANY BUSINESS WITH illegals.

What we're doing now is cruel, we are creating an exploitable workforce and turning a blind eye to it.

If illegal immigration is really this giant problem then we need to act like it.

This is like if we tried to solve illegal drug use by only arresting and punishing drug users and never going after the drug dealers.

Right now we are demonizing these people, treating them like they are subhuman, and then allowing businesses and individuals to profit off of them and victimize them.

There are multiple industries in this country whose business model is dependent on illegal immigrants.

And I'm not talking about just farmers.

Our meat processing plants, roofing companies, landscaping, just to name a few.

We can't truly solve this problem unless we actually have an idea of how big of a "problem" this is.
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"We" don't want to solve this "problem". What you described are features of this system.
 
I can’t believe the entire border crisis can’t be fixed. But we have these really cool pictures of Saturn and might find an organism on the moon or some shit.
 
calvin natt said:
I can’t believe the entire border crisis can’t be fixed. But we have these really cool pictures of Saturn and might find an organism on the moon or some shit.
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How are those two things even related?
 
calvin natt said:
I can’t believe the entire border crisis can’t be fixed. But we have these really cool pictures of Saturn and might find an organism on the moon or some shit.
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Space is just technology. Border issues involve humans.

barfo
 
calvin natt said:
I can’t believe the entire border crisis can’t be fixed. But we have these really cool pictures of Saturn and might find an organism on the moon or some shit.
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It can certainly be fixed. But if we fixed it the wealthy would lose a huge marginalized population which they can take advantage of and use to strike fear into the hearts of the poor and poorly educated.

It's easier to extract money and cheap services from the desperate and uneducated.

The cool pictures of Saturn and finding an organism on the moon are a part of the solution rather than the problem.
 
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I'm not sure illegal immigration is a real problem. We have a worker shortage in this country which is fueling an inflation crisis. Seems like there are plenty of people willing to work and begging to do so, they just are not citizens. So bring them in, get them on the books, have them pay taxes, give them services similar to citizens for taxes paid, give them a path to citizenship, kick them out of they are a problem. These people's children often become professional labor and innovators of tomorrows society. How is that bad? It's how our country has worked from the beginning.
 
donkiez said:
I'm not sure illegal immigration is a real problem. We have a worker shortage in this country which is fueling an inflation crisis. Seems like there are plenty of people willing to work and begging to do so, they just are not citizens. So bring them in, get them on the books, have them pay taxes, give them services similar to citizens for taxes paid, give them a path to citizenship, kick them out of they are a problem. These people's children often become professional labor and innovators of tomorrows society. How is that bad? It's how our country has worked from the beginning.
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Agreed. There has been something like $1 trillion per year contributed to our GDP for decades that we can't quantify.

This has generally been considered to be from illegal immigration.

I think it's a problem in that it puts the immigrants at risk and helps drugs and criminals cross the border illegally by hiding among legit asylum seekers.

We could do far better than we are currently doing.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Agreed. There has been something like $1 trillion per year contributed to our GDP for decades that we can't quantify.

This has generally been considered to be from illegal immigration.

I think it's a problem in that it puts the immigrants at risk and helps drugs and criminals cross the border illegally by hiding among legit asylum seekers.

We could do far better than we are currently doing.
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It's a problem like illegal drugs are a problem, and by that I mean that most of the problem stem from them being illegal rather than having a rational approach to them. Two things that will make this hard to change are politics and capitalism. D and R don't care, they just appeal to the different emotions on the subject but benefit from keeping it status quo. Capitalism has created a for profit system out it that is hard to overcome.
 
donkiez said:
It's a problem like illegal drugs are a problem, and by that I mean that most of the problem stem from them being illegal rather than having a rational approach to them. Two things that will make this hard to change are politics and capitalism. D and R don't care, they just appeal to the different emotions on the subject but benefit from keeping it status quo. Capitalism has created a for profit system out it that is hard to overcome.
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Agree 100%. It's a wedge issue which is very profitable for both parties.
 
As Title 42 Nears End, El Paso Declares Emergency over Influx of Asylum Seekers

 
Just talked with my aunt that lives in Yuma and she has always helped migrants that come onto her property, but she's overwhelmed by the amount of migrants and entering her property now and thinks its totally out of control.
She's always been a volunteer that helps those in need including migrants that have crossed. I asked her if the cartel stuff you hear about is for real, she thinks they are the ones in total control and the amount of drugs that are coming across is insane and future deaths just waiting to happen.
She's a tough women but she seems broken by what going on down there. SAD
 
Hoopguru said:
Just talked with my aunt that lives in Yuma and she has always helped migrants that come onto her property, but she's overwhelmed by the amount of migrants and entering her property now and thinks its totally out of control.
She's always been a volunteer that helps those in need including migrants that have crossed. I asked her if the cartel stuff you hear about is for real, she thinks they are the ones in total control and the amount of drugs that are coming across is insane and future deaths just waiting to happen.
She's a tough women but she seems broken by what going on down there. SAD
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Title 42 got upheld by the Supreme Court. I don't know how that effects her. I don't want drugs in just as much as the next person, but there does need to be specific rules and regulations for immigration. It's a complex topic.
 
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