OT Need to get control of Border (1 Viewer)

[tlongII]

Baloney. Their job is to keep illegal aliens from crossing the border.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Baloney. Their job is to keep illegal aliens from crossing the border.

Those are not illegal alians. They are refugees seeking asylum. Which is legal, and protected by US law.

Harassing them with a whip or a horse is not legally protected.

 

[tlongII]

Those are not illegal alians. They are refugees seeking asylum. Which is legal, and protected by US law.

Harassing them with a whip or a horse is not legally protected.

Anybody trying to cross the border without being duly processed is an illegal alien.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Anybody trying to cross the border without being duly processed is an illegal alien.

Interesting. Can you please show me the US law or statute which spells this out?

 

[tlongII]

 

[riverman]

There’s literally nothing there. And Biden said people were being “strapped” which is the same as whipped. Complete bullshit. The longreins are used to keep separation between the horses and the people.

Biden was referring to what Maxine Waters said about the footage...there's no reason to not investigate any abusive conduct by our border patrol...if they didn't have reason, I'm sure there'd be no investigation....I think you're making blanket assumptions based on a handful of still photographs when the people who are investigating have more evidence and contact with the situtation. It's due process...not some political ad....If refugees were in an ocean on your border you wouldn't let them drown just because of how you define illegal alien....refugees often have no possessions or even identification...I think humane processing and civil orderly policing of the border is where we should be at as a nation. We let 12.5K through turned 8K back to Mexico and sent about 4K back to Haiti.....that's not the problem...it's how we treated them to get to that point that's at issue..just like the cages and seperation of families was the issue before

 

[Orion Bailey]

Innocent until proven guilty…

 

[Phatguysrule]

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But those people don't live here yet, and asylum seekers do not fit that criteria.

And that's not a law, which is what would be required to preclude them from being classified as asylum seeking immigrants, or refugees.

And like somebody else says, "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[Phatguysrule]

Innocent until proven guilty…

Hence "investigation".

 

[tlongII]

Biden was referring to what Maxine Waters said about the footage...there's no reason to not investigate any abusive conduct by our border patrol...if they didn't have reason, I'm sure there'd be no investigation....I think you're making blanket assumptions based on a handful of still photographs when the people who are investigating have more evidence and contact with the situtation. It's due process...not some political ad....If refugees were in an ocean on your border you wouldn't let them drown just because of how you define illegal alien....refugees often have no possessions or even identification...I think humane processing and civil orderly policing of the border is where we should be at as a nation. We let 12.5K through turned 8K back to Mexico and sent about 4K back to Haiti.....that's not the problem...it's how we treated them to get to that point that's at issue..just like the cages and seperation of families was the issue before

The issue is thousands arriving at the border at roughly the same time.

 

[riverman]

The issue is thousands arriving at the border at roughly the same time.

I know...24 thousand...fleeing a disaster...same thing happened in Syria except they were stuck in the water...they've all been processed so the issue has been dealt with but as I said....it's not about the refugees, it's about how we handled them at the border...we had national guard and border patrol people at the border along with other agents...we were not in danger of Haitian invasion

 

[Lanny]

Anybody trying to cross the border without being duly processed is an illegal alien.

No, read the law, I have.

 

[Orion Bailey]

@Lanny

here is every post you made in this thread:

Do you favor following the law?

No video or link

There's a video of an agent on horseback whipping some migrants.
Don't forget, these agents were installed by Trump and not easily fired. It's gonna take some time but they'll slowly get replaced by those more suited for the job.

Here is you claiming here is a video, but no video or link.

Can't link it because I saw it on the news. I think it was on PBS The News Hour. Must have been yesterday or the day before.

here is you admitting you cant link to a video you say you saw the whipping

I saw the video on the news.

Here is you saying you saw it on the news.

Here's the transcript where agents on horseback were using their horse reigns on immigrants which means slapping migrants with the reigns which can only be in a whipping like manner.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/h...-migrants-in-texas-biden-response-to-backlash

here is you posting a transcript of someone claiming there was whipping. Again no actual video of whipping.

I watched this and no where does it have video of the whipping, again they reference the one picture that that I was talking about earlier. There is video of BP trying to cut off migrants but no whipping.

as for these guys being hired by Trump, the BP men/women I know have been working there long before Trump.

is is someone else also stated what I've stated.

It's there, they whip with their reins. Even President Biden referred to it as whipping. See PBS News Hour, Friday, September 24.

here is you claiming there is a video because Biden mentioned it.
But again, no video

He must have an IQ 100 points above the king of the idiots, Trump.

No video

Duh. How could anyone fail to see this?

No video

He said there was whipping. I saw and heard him say it on either PBS News Hour or PBS Washington Week, Friday.

again. A claim but no video or link.

Trump lied almost a thousand times a year. I doubt if Biden ever intentionally lies although he does make mistakes here and there.
Tell me one of Biden's lies and I'll tell you of multiple Trump lies, what the hell, even without a Biden lie I can recite from memory so many of Trump's lies that I'd be here all day and all night reciting them just from the top of my head.

O video or link to a video yet…

I've already shown a video.

what video? You haven't shown one video.

I gave a link.

You gave a link to a transcript. Not a video. no video evidence of whipping im that link, pointed out by others. Not just me.

you have? Im not finding it. I didnt see any other posts?

here is me asking you about this. I dont believe i got a response.

I could but it's a lot of work. Can't recall but it was on Friday and either PBS The News Hour or PBS Washington week.

Here is you claiming again toy wont link to z video because its alot of work. but above, prior, you claimed to have already posted it???

All a person has to do is look through the recent posts in here regarding the point in question and then see my answer. Sure, I'll back up my assertion when challenged but my time is too valuable to waste it looking up the same stuff repeatedly. i.e. I'm not going to hold anyone's hand over a point over and over.

i just looked through the posts and so have others. What you claim here is not accurate and the evidence is above.

They would be if the reins were directed at the horse.

no video or evidence of a whipping.

No, read the law, I have.

no evidence or video of a whipping



now im not sure why you aRe getting upset with me stating you haven't done what you claim you have. Its all right above.

Did you maybe delete or have a post removed( i wouldn't know why) that i have not seen?

Otherwise the evidence is there that you have not provided a video or link of a whipping.

 

[Lanny]

@Lanny

here is every post you made in this thread:



No video or link

Here is you claiming here is a video, but no video or link.


here is you admitting you cant link to a video you say you saw the whipping


Here is you saying you saw it on the news.


here is you posting a transcript of someone claiming there was whipping. Again no actual video of whipping.



is is someone else also stated what I've stated.



here is you claiming there is a video because Biden mentioned it.
But again, no video

No video

No video



again. A claim but no video or link.


O video or link to a video yet…


what video? You haven't shown one video.


You gave a link to a transcript. Not a video. no video evidence of whipping im that link, pointed out by others. Not just me.


here is me asking you about this. I dont believe i got a response.


Here is you claiming again toy wont link to z video because its alot of work. but above, prior, you claimed to have already posted it???



i just looked through the posts and so have others. What you claim here is not accurate and the evidence is above.



no video or evidence of a whipping.



no evidence or video of a whipping



now im not sure why you aRe getting upset with me stating you haven't done what you claim you have. Its all right above.

Did you maybe delete or have a post removed( i wouldn't know why) that i have not seen?

Otherwise the evidence is there that you have not provided a video or link of a whipping.

Oh seriously, are you gonna make me go back and find it?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Oh seriously, are you gonna make me go back and find it?

Your claim i have clearly refuted with undeniable evidence.

Do as you please.

 

[Phatguysrule]

@Lanny

here is every post you made in this thread:



No video or link

Here is you claiming here is a video, but no video or link.


here is you admitting you cant link to a video you say you saw the whipping


Here is you saying you saw it on the news.


here is you posting a transcript of someone claiming there was whipping. Again no actual video of whipping.



is is someone else also stated what I've stated.



here is you claiming there is a video because Biden mentioned it.
But again, no video

No video

No video



again. A claim but no video or link.


O video or link to a video yet…


what video? You haven't shown one video.


You gave a link to a transcript. Not a video. no video evidence of whipping im that link, pointed out by others. Not just me.


here is me asking you about this. I dont believe i got a response.


Here is you claiming again toy wont link to z video because its alot of work. but above, prior, you claimed to have already posted it???



i just looked through the posts and so have others. What you claim here is not accurate and the evidence is above.



no video or evidence of a whipping.



no evidence or video of a whipping



now im not sure why you aRe getting upset with me stating you haven't done what you claim you have. Its all right above.

Did you maybe delete or have a post removed( i wouldn't know why) that i have not seen?

Otherwise the evidence is there that you have not provided a video or link of a whipping.

A video was posted. You being wrong about there being no video evidence is no reason to go after Lanny. Just accept that you're wrong.

It's becoming obvious you just want to argue.

I know this is a rag, but there is at least a video. Take it for what it is.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/27/border-agents-could-get-minimal-punishment-for-using-horses/

 

[bigbailes]

I may be wrong but I think OB is saying that the video shows no actual whipping of migrants. Yes there is that video and it shows the agent at two different times swinging the reigns but at no point (from what I saw) did anyone get struck with the reigns or 'whipped.'

 

[Phatguysrule]

I may be wrong but I think OB is saying that the video shows no actual whipping of migrants. Yes there is that video and it shows the agent at two different times swinging the reigns but at no point (from what I saw) did anyone get struck with the reigns or 'whipped.'

It could have been. The reign was definitely close to hitting somebody. All anybody is saying is that an investigation is reasonable.

 

[Lanny]

Did Biden say there was whipping? Or did he say there would be an investigation? Can anybody post a video?

He said both.

 

[Phatguysrule]

He said both.

And the video posted could certainly be interpreted that way.

 

[bigbailes]

It could have been. The reign was definitely close to hitting somebody. All anybody is saying is that an investigation is reasonable.

I agree 100% there needs to be an investigation, that's all good and fine but some people are running with the narrative the MSM was making it out to be akin to a scene from 12 Years a Slave

 

[Phatguysrule]

I agree 100% there needs to be an investigation, that's all good and fine but some people are acting like the situation was akin to a scene from 12 Years a Slave

People are seeking asylum from a real threat, which is legal, and government goons are herding them like sheep with horses.

It's a horrible situation.

 

[bigbailes]

People are seeking asylum from a real threat, which is legal, and government goons are herding them like sheep with horses.

It's a horrible situation.

That's one perspective for sure

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's one perspective for sure

Which part can be disputed? The video shows government employees charging horses at people forcing them to move one way or another... those people are fleeing a horrible situation.

 

[bigbailes]

It was a minute long video of a situation that took place over multiple days where thousands upon thousands were trying to get into the country. The Border Patrol were trying to do their job. Yes it didn't look great, yes there should be an investigation, no I don't think those men and women were on horseback are automatically guilty based off this video. I've seen first hand what these agents go through on horseback and how they try to manage the situation on the border.

 

[tlongII]

Which part can be disputed? The video shows government employees charging horses at people forcing them to move one way or another... those people are fleeing a horrible situation.

The video shows BP agents doing their job. They’re on horseback due to the volume of people trying to cross the border illegally. They are using loose reins to keep space between the people and their horses. I don’t think anyone would like to get hit by a 1200 lb horse.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The video shows BP agents doing their job. They’re on horseback due to the volume of people trying to cross the border illegally. They are using loose reins to keep space between the people and their horses. I don’t think anyone would like to get hit by a 1200 lb horse.

If that were the case they wouldn't be directing their horses close to people who are not close to anybody else. Sorry, the video proves that take wrong, pretty conclusively.

There should certainly be an investigation, and either policies changed or punishments handed out. We should not be hiring people to torment anybody that way.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The video shows BP agents doing their job. They’re on horseback due to the volume of people trying to cross the border illegally. They are using loose reins to keep space between the people and their horses. I don’t think anyone would like to get hit by a 1200 lb horse.

It always cracks up when people think thier opinions are indisputable.

 

[tester551]

It always cracks up when people think thier opinions are indisputable.

Agreed. Hubris is astonishing at times.

 

[noknobs]

It always cracks up when people think thier opinions are indisputable.

That's why your posts are so fucking funny. My God you're so hypocritical it's amazing.