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noknobs said:
Senate GOP voted down the border bill. Guess they don't actually care about fixing anything, they just want to complain that Biden isn't fixing the border.
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that is one take on it. a border bill where on 20B of the 120B went to the border. it also still allowed an open border. Biden if he cared about America could close the border today.
He wont of course
 
Galakelife said:
that is one take on it. a border bill where on 20B of the 120B went to the border. it also still allowed an open border. Biden if he cared about America could close the border today.
He wont of course
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Nobody cares. If they did they would just fix the immigration process and everyone legit would enter legally. Only criminals would try to do it illegally, so they'd be incredibly easy to spot with drones and pick up.
 
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Under Bush II a bipartisan immigration reform was negotiated. It has votes to pass and Bush said he would sign. Last minute Republicans backed out.

No one can "close the border", not even North Korea.
 
Moscow Mitch and the Weaker of the House made it clear. In so many words. They did not kill the bill because they wanted a better one. They killed the bill because their master Trump, who BTW had four years to fix the border, said to. Because government working to solve problems would boost Biden. And because Trump's master Putin doesn't want the US to aid Ukraine.
 
crandc said:
Under Bush II a bipartisan immigration reform was negotiated. It has votes to pass and Bush said he would sign. Last minute Republicans backed out.

No one can "close the border", not even North Korea.
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you are right you cant "close" the border, but drastically reducing the shit show that is occurring would be great. Crossings were way down during the previous adminastration, this is not debatable.
 
Let us launder more money through Ukraine or else we will leave the border wide open, allow more human traffickers in and allow fentanyl to kill 100,000 more people this year.

Sounds reasonable.
 
Galakelife said:
you are right you cant "close" the border, but drastically reducing the shit show that is occurring would be great. Crossings were way down during the previous adminastration, this is not debatable.
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Show me the evidence.
 
crandc said:
Show me the evidence.
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you want the evidence of the border crossings for each year? just making sure i am getting the data you want...i cant believe you want to see those numbers if that is what you are asking
 
crandc said:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/06/opinion/thepoint/immigration-economy-krugman?smid=url-share

Data show economic benefits of immigrants.
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Immigration isn’t inherently a bad thing, nobody said that. When done in moderation and vetting of course it can be good. Millions of people streaming in unaccounted for is not a good thing. A wide open border between two countries, one where hundreds of thousands of people are dying from overdoses and the other one the source, is not a good thing.
Also, Paul Krugman has made nearly zero accurate predictions in his career. He is no longer an authority on economics and for good reason. He’s lobbied for every policy that has left us in the current failed economic state we’re in.
 
Two items of evidence.
First, that average crossings since 2021 exceed 2017 to 2020.
Second, that increase is result of Biden border policies and not lessening of Covid restrictions and record low unemployment under President Biden.
 
Sean Hannity was interviewing Curtis Sliwa, founder of Guardian Angels, self appointed vigilantes who have targeted immigrants, when a scuffle broke out. Several Guardians tackled a man whom Sliwa said was a migrant and shoplifter. Hannity went on rant about migrant criminals taking over cities. Sliwa boasted about how hard he had been hit.
The man in question is a US citizen and according to police was not suspected of shoplifting.
Sliwa said he assumed the man was an illegal immigrant because he was speaking Spanish.
 
jonnyboy said:
Immigration isn’t inherently a bad thing, nobody said that. When done in moderation and vetting of course it can be good. Millions of people streaming in unaccounted for is not a good thing. A wide open border between two countries, one where hundreds of thousands of people are dying from overdoses and the other one the source, is not a good thing.
Also, Paul Krugman has made nearly zero accurate predictions in his career. He is no longer an authority on economics and for good reason. He’s lobbied for every policy that has left us in the current failed economic state we’re in.
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So fix the immigration system to make it easier than paying a coyote to rape your wife and kids in the desert.

It's not exactly a high bar...
 
Galakelife said:
you are right you cant "close" the border, but drastically reducing the shit show that is occurring would be great. Crossings were way down during the previous adminastration, this is not debatable.
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tlongII said:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ppening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/

From 2021 but accurate in my opinion.
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Kinda looks like migrant encounters at the Mexican border increased throughout Trump's term except during COVID-19 lockdown... And at about the same rate as during Biden's first year at least...

And before 2020 they didn't include expulsions. So Biden's term looks more inflated in comparison.

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Phatguysrule said:
Kinda looks like migrant encounters at the Mexican border increased throughout Trump's term except during COVID-19 lockdown... And at about the same rate as during Biden's first year at least...

And before 2020 they didn't include expulsions. So Biden's term looks more inflated in comparison.

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Define “encounter” without being dishonest. I’ll wait. Is it the same as unmitigated entry?
 
jonnyboy said:
Define “encounter” without being dishonest. I’ll wait. Is it the same as unmitigated entry?
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Well, here's a definition:

Encounters encompass two distinct kinds of events: apprehensions, in which migrants are taken into custody in the United States – at least temporarily – to await adjudication, and expulsions, in which migrants are immediately expelled to their home country or last country of transit without being held in U.S. custody.

Doesn't sound at all like 'unmitigated entry'. In fact, I'd say it excludes anyone who avoids border patrol altogether.

barfo
 
Galakelife said:
you are right you cant "close" the border, but drastically reducing the shit show that is occurring would be great. Crossings were way down during the previous adminastration, this is not debatable.
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What exactly are you expecting the administration to do? The President, at least currently, has to abide by laws and is not a dictator. Arrests are way up, and enforcement is way up. If we want more enforcement, they need more money. The Republicans just drafted a bill in which Democrats were giving Republicans virtually everything they wanted, including language that dictated the border would be 'closed' for a certain period of time if crossings went over a certain threshold. Are you familiar with who just voted against this law that Republicans essentially wrote in its entirety? Republicans and the most progressive Democrats who couldn't swallow either aid to Israel or the hardline language that was in the bill. It makes no sense for Republicans to vote against it except when you view it from the lens of the Trump campaign and how it would remove one of his talking points.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...licans-block-bipartisan-border-security-deal/

The development marked a dramatic shift among Senate Republicans, who for months have insisted that any funding for Ukraine must be paired with reforms to secure the border. That demand prompted Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to appoint Lankford to negotiate a deal with the White House and Senate Democrats to raise the standard for migrants seeking asylum and give Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas emergency power to deport migrants.

It also would have provided $6.8 billion to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, $7.6 billion for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and $4 billion to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Altogether, it would have invested $20.2 billion in improving border security.

McConnell and Lankford hailed the deal for delivering major wins for Republicans, though they acknowledged they didn’t get every reform they wanted from the four-month negotiation
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jonnyboy said:
Define “encounter” without being dishonest. I’ll wait. Is it the same as unmitigated entry?
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I didn't provide the link. I just replied to it with a chart that was included, showing that Republicans blaming Democrats for the border is stupid. And vice versa.
 
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