Neil is building towards something...

[BonesJones]

Since yall don't like Ariza how bout Vonleh and the exception for Wilson Chandler? He's better, cheaper, and on a one year deal.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I think people forget that each player can't go completely without flaws. While Hibbert has mobility issues, he's still legitimately one of the best defensive big men in the league. Like the Warriors, the Blazers have to be able to offer other looks. When we are going to need a more agile and mobile defensive presence, we can sub in Mason Plumlee or even Meyers. Hibbert doesn't have to be an all in one problem solver. Those usually don't exist.

If the buy is low on Hibbert, I welcome him. He shouldn't be our big splash this summer but if we're able to keep LaMarcus and acquire another max level player while using table scraps to acquire Hibbert? We may have a very successful summer.

 

[BonesJones]

I think people forget that each player can't go completely without flaws. While Hibbert has mobility issues, he's still legitimately one of the best defensive big men in the league. Like the Warriors, the Blazers have to be able to offer other looks. When we are going to need a more agile and mobile defensive presence, we can sub in Mason Plumlee or even Meyers. Hibbert doesn't have to be an all in one problem solver. Those usually don't exist.

If the buy is low on Hibbert, I welcome him. He shouldn't be our big splash this summer but if we're able to keep LaMarcus and acquire another max level player while using table scraps to acquire Hibbert? We may have a very successful summer.

no such thing as buying low on Hibbert because he's making 15 million. Plumlee's a slight downgrade making $14M less

 

[BrianFromWA]

Since yall don't like Ariza how bout Vonleh and the exception for Wilson Chandler? He's better, cheaper, and on a one year deal.

I feel like all I'm doing is raining on your parade, which is not my intention--keep 'em coming!

But I don't think what you're talking about is CBA-able. Vonleh can't bring back Chandler's salary by itself, unless we have cap room, and we probably would have to renounce the exception to get cap room. And even if we had both, you're not allowed to combine a TE with a player's salary to bring back something you couldn't with just the player's salary.

• Teams cannot combine trade exceptions with other exceptions (such as the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception or a taxpaying team's 125% plus $100,000 margin from another simultaneous trade) in order to trade for a more expensive player. For example, a taxpaying team with a $1 million trade exception cannot combine it with their $2 million player to trade for a $3 million player

There is only a limited exception (pun intended) for when you can combine exceptions:

Only to a very limited extent -- teams can combine exceptions in the same trade if they are used on different players. Teams cannot combine exceptions in order to acquire one player. For example, a taxpaying team may trade a $5 million player for a $5.5 million player and two veterans earning approximately $1 million each on minimum-salary contracts. The minimum salary exception is used for the two minimum-salary players, and the $5.5 million player is acquired using the Traded Player exception ($5.5 million is within 125% plus $100,000 of $5 million). This is allowed because two exceptions were not combined to acquire any one player.
However, if that team has a $5 million player and a $1 million trade exception from a previous trade, it cannot add the trade exception to the 125% plus $100,000 margin from their $5 million player ($6.35 million), in order to trade for a player making $7 million. This cannot be done, as it would invoke using two exceptions on the same player.
If a team has two trade exceptions from previous non-simultaneous trades, they can't combine them into one larger trade exception

 

[Sheldon Shape]

no such thing as buying low on Hibbert because he's making 15 million. Plumlee's a slight downgrade making $14M less

Typically, centers who can defend the paint as well as Roy Hibbert go for about that asking price. I don't think 15 mil with one season left over is a big deal at all. What are the alternatives? Outside of DeAndre Jordan and Marc Gasol, who else protects the paint as well as Roy Hibbert? I think he's worth the game if we are able to retain LA and acquire another max level player. He could fill out the starting lineup incredibly well with Mason Plumlee backing him up, giving us an entirely different look.

 

[BonesJones]

Typically, centers who can defend the paint as well as Roy Hibbert go for about that asking price. I don't think 15 mil with one season left over is a big deal at all. What are the alternatives? Outside of DeAndre Jordan and Marc Gasol, who else protects the paint as well as Roy Hibbert? I think he's worth the game if we are able to retain LA and acquire another max level player. He could fill out the starting lineup incredibly well with Mason Plumlee backing him up, giving us an entirely different look.

Keep Plumlee and sign Brandon Wright for a $5M backup and use the extra $9M on Luol Deng or a better player in another area. Compared to getting Hibbert, overpaying Wes, and starting Henderson at SF when he's actually a SG. Hibberts a only a slight upgrade over Rolo, because he's a couple inches taller. They're the same exact player. So why make it harder to upgrade other positions and to get more depth just to slightly upgrade starting center.

 

[photosniper]

He's clearing cap space. He's adding bench players. These aren't the moves of a guy who is blowing it up. These aren't the moves of a guy who is rebuilding. If we were rebuilding we would have held onto RHJ. Plumlee and Henderson are solid bench guys.

I think either A) Aldridge is gone and he's looking to make two max offers, or B) Aldridge is staying and he's trying to clear enough space to make a second max offer.[/QUOTI

He's clearing cap space. He's adding bench players. These aren't the moves of a guy who is blowing it up. These aren't the moves of a guy who is rebuilding. If we were rebuilding we would have held onto RHJ. Plumlee and Henderson are solid bench guys.

I think either A) Aldridge is gone and he's looking to make two max offers, or B) Aldridge is staying and he's trying to clear enough space to make a second max offer.

I agree. These are calculated, intelligent moves designed to either strengthen our roster or at least keep it as competitive while shaving off salary/cap space. With a little more experience Plumlee will be just as skilled as Kaman and Lopez while being a little cheaper. I think Neil is going after either DeAndre or Mark for the center position... and my intuition tells me that it's DeAndre for his defensive prowess and how he will complement both Damian and LA. As much as I liked Batum I agree that he had to go. I think Neil will replace him with an experienced player through free agency/trade.

 

[Nhawz]

Keep Plumlee and sign Brandon Wright for a $5M backup and use the extra $9M on Luol Deng or a better player in another area. Compared to getting Hibbert, overpaying Wes, and starting Henderson at SF when he's actually a SG. Hibberts a only a slight upgrade over Rolo, because he's a couple inches taller. They're the same exact player. So why make it harder to upgrade other positions and to get more depth just to slightly upgrade starting center.

^^ fucking boom

 

[Nhawz]

Luol deng not so much but having the ability to throw cash at an elite SF is the way to go

 

[BonesJones]

I feel like all I'm doing is raining on your parade, which is not my intention--keep 'em coming!

But I don't think what you're talking about is CBA-able. Vonleh can't bring back Chandler's salary by itself, unless we have cap room, and we probably would have to renounce the exception to get cap room. And even if we had both, you're not allowed to combine a TE with a player's salary to bring back something you couldn't with just the player's salary.

There is only a limited exception (pun intended) for when you can combine exceptions:

you can't combine a trade exception with salary? I didn't know that. But we still have so much cap space that we could trade Vonleh for Chandler. We have over $40M

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Wow, you're really on this trade Vonleh for over the hill stopgaps.

 

[BonesJones]

Wow, you're really on this trade Vonleh for over the hill stopgaps.

what do you mean?

 

[Nhawz]

Super pumped on plumlees grittyness and value, and honestly one more big time player to make LA understand that this is the place he can go to win now. Not to mention the extra mil he can throw in his checking account. Olshey is highly educated and calculated on every move he makes. If you think otherwise you don't know basketball and your opinions are scoffed at.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Ariza

Chandler, who has peaked.

We're not a team that's close to contending. Trading a lotto talent, who would've been one of the youngest players in THIS summers draft, for 30+ year old/average talent makes zero sense.

 

[BonesJones]

Ariza

Chandler, who has peaked.

We're not a team that's close to contending. Trading a lotto talent, who would've been one of the youngest players in THIS summers draft, for 30+ year old/average talent makes zero sense.

Just because he's 19 doesn't mean he'll develop. You guys are talking like this guy's a surefire future all star... if he was, Charlotte wouldn't have traded him for Nic freakin' Batum. Why trade a likely solid role player 5 years down the road for a solid role player now? To keep LA.
Even though Chandler peaked recently, he's still a really good NBA Center. Im higher on Ariza then most of you guys, but you could trade Vonleh and Hendo for Wilson Chandler instead.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

You roll the dice on his potential. Neil is obviously a fan. One of the first players he interviewed last summer in Vegas was Vonleh -- when we had no pick.

Chandler is past his prime and doesn't get you over that hump. He's on the same tier as RoLo.

Wilson Chandler has peaked and, at best, is an average talent. His numbers are already starting to dip. None of these players will make this team good enough to keep LA. You put any of these guys on this years team and Memphis still bounces this team easily.

 

[Schilly]

Neil is building this team for Aldridge... And Lillard. He's adding talent without getting older. I think that's a huge concept to consider here. If we add older.players and Aldridge does leave then we have a lotto team built with guys who have peaked. By keeping young players who are talented the team continues to grow regardless of what Lamarcus does.

 

[BonesJones]

You roll the dice on his potential. Neil is obviously a fan. One of the first players he interviewed last summer in Vegas was Vonleh -- when we had no pick.

Chandler is past his prime and doesn't get you over that hump. He's on the same tier as RoLo.

Wilson Chandler has peaked and, at best, is an average talent. His numbers are already starting to dip. None of these players will make this team good enough to keep LA. You put any of these guys on this years team and Memphis still bounces this team easily.

you're doom and gloom attitude is blinding you. Chandler is an upgrade over Rolo. Chandler is a better fit than Batum. He attacks the basket, can still shoot, and defends with more intensity. Plumlee is an upgrade over Kaman. Meyers, Dame and CJ will continue to get better. Henderson is another piece off the bench with Wes as the backup 3. Basically we uprade our starting lineup, our bench, get better defenders, get more variety and a better blend of offensive skillsets, and we get way more athletic. This compared to a team that was still 3rd in the west when Wes went down, and somehow were not contenders???

 

[BonesJones]

Neil is building this team for Aldridge... And Lillard. He's adding talent without getting older. I think that's a huge concept to consider here. If we add older.players and Aldridge does leave then we have a lotto team built with guys who have peaked. By keeping young players who are talented the team continues to grow regardless of what Lamarcus does.

if we have enough solid pieces it'll attract Love, Millsap, or Monroe.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Agree to disagree.

 

[BonesJones]

Agree to disagree.

I was hoping youd try to disect my statement and show me how we, somehow, wouldn't be better.

 

[Schilly]

if we have enough solid pieces it'll attract Love, Millsap, or Monroe.

which is fine if Lamarcus leaves. I wouldn't go Milsap due to age at that point.

 

[Scalma]

which is fine if Lamarcus leaves. I wouldn't go Milsap due to age at that point.

He's the same age as aldridge.

 

[Schilly]

I know he is, but I believe if Aldridge leaves the team becomes more of Lillards team and building with guys sub 27 or 26 would be a smarter angle at this point than wrapping money up into a 30yo.

 

[BonesJones]

Millsap would make Dame a better player by spacing the floor more and not requiring the ball as much. With Millsap I think Dame would average MVP-type numbers (24pts, 7ast, 5reb) and Millsap would get you 20 and 10. Millsap+Dame would be almost as good as LA+Dame, and I think we could contend next year with Love, Millsap, or Monroe

 

[Scalma]

Millsap would make Dame a better player by spacing the floor more and not requiring the ball as much. With Millsap I think Dame would average MVP-type numbers (24pts, 7ast, 5reb) and Millsap would get you 20 and 10. Millsap+Dame would be almost as good as LA+Dame, and I think we could contend next year with Love, Millsap, or Monroe

I agree. Although I'm not that big of a Monroe fan.

 

[Schilly]

Would.much rather have Love or Monroe. Mishap is a good player but doesn't fit the post Lamarcus direction... not even sure Love does.

 

[BonesJones]

I agree. Although I'm not that big of a Monroe fan.

me niether. The dude is a worse defender than Love and not as good offensively but for whatever reason Blazer fans hate Love and love Monroe...

 

[Denny Crane]

Don't think so. Hibbert opted in, so he can be traded (he's not a contract that expires on June 30, like, say, LMA) and his contract until June 30 is 14.9M. With Kaman, Meyers and CJ combined, we don't even get to 9.5M, which wouldn't let us trade that package for him anyway.

I think we're resigned into trading off parts one by one until June 30, and then using cap space to go after folks.

If the Blazers renounce enough of their FAs and exceptions to come up with $9.5M in cap space, they can do it, right?

 

[magnifier661]

If the Blazers renounce enough of their FAs and exceptions to come up with $9.5M in cap space, they can do it, right?

I was thinking we could possibly allow Kaman's contract to go to 5 mil, then use the rest for cap space to trade for Hibbert. Indy would save 10 mil, or use that 10 mil to trade for a desired player.

We would still have enough left over to max Aldridge and bring in a 12 mil SF. Or use the space for lopsided trades.