Neil is building towards something...

[Natebishop3]

Bogut is a much better passer, but Hibbert, when focused, is an even better defender.

Before the wheels fell off in IND, Hibbert looked like he was a lock to win DPOY and in the running for MIP. Then things went south faster and deeper than anything I've ever seen - kinda like when Delonte West banged LeBron's mom.

Can Hibbert get back to that level with a change of scenery? Who knows. I think Olshey has a much better feel for that than anyone posting here. In Neil I trust.

BNM

If we can get him for Kaman/Henderson/filler I would do it. For sure.

 

[cmeese47]

Andrew Bogut says, "Hi!".

He's one of the slowest players in the league and big part of Golden State's success.

BNM

He certainly helped at times but his 3 minutes played in the Warriors last 3 wins might be more indicative to his overall value. He is a good piece as far as depth and match ups go but he is not irreplaceable.

 

[magnifier661]

He certainly helped at times but his 3 minutes played in the Warriors last 3 wins might be more indicative to his overall value. He is a good piece as far as depth and match ups go but he is not irreplaceable.

That was entirely situational because Cleveland went small ball. You look at the regular season and most the playoffs and Bogut was very much a part of how they advanced in the western conference.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I don't know numbers but do know he said he is playing basketball. It is his preferred sport. He doesn't want to play baseball.

It will be interesting to watch this play out. I've read that his signing bonus alone is about the same as what he would make in the NBA. (and he will now have to give it back) That's a lot of $$$ to leave on the table!

 

[oldmangrouch]

I would take Hibbert over Jordan for a couple of reasons. 1. He is cheaper 2. He can hit a free throw.

With that said I actually would rather spend big money (or trade for a stud) at the SG or SF position and just get someone like Koufus or Asik to play Center as they would be decent options that cost less. Not sure that would impress LMA though.

I'd be inclined to take Chandler over Hibbert or Jordan.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I'd be inclined to take Chandler over Hibbert or Jordan.

If he was 3 years younger then no doubt, I would be with you. But no, not at his age and he actually is going to command as much as Hibbert is currently making most likely so not like he is a discount there to make up for the age concern...

 

[RoyToy]

The only time Hibbert has really dominated is against the Miami Heat because they had no center. They made him look like Wilt Chamberlain and a big part of his reputation his built off of that.

Didn't want him the last time he was a FA and still don't.

Inefficient for a center
Not a great rebounder
Doesn't really dominate in the paint
Conditioning a concern so he's never averaged over 30min per game

It's 2015 and guys that slow are practically a hindrance

 

[BBert]

What if this happened?

Trade Noah, Kaman and change for Hibbert.

Sign max offer sheet to Leonard and tie Spurs hand.

Spurs don't match because they want Aldridge. We get Leonard, then Aldridge resigns with us?

I do not want to trade Vonleh. He is a legit lottery pick, with a year under his belt, and he's young with a ton of up side. If he were in this year's draft he'd be what, top 5? Guys like that are hard to come by.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I do not want to trade Vonleh. He is a legit lottery pick, with a year under his belt, and he's young with a ton of up side. If he were in this he'd draft he'd be what, top 5? Guys like that are hard to come by.

Exactly, Vonleh is a guy you keep or trade for a true star.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I would bet big $$$ that DeAndre Jordan is Olshey's #1 target. And he actually stands a big chance of getting him (which doesn't thrill me, to put it mildly). He gave Jordan his last big contract. And there's this:

The season ended with Rivers denying reports Jordan and Chris Paul had a beef with each other.

But other NBA officials not authorized to speak publicly on the matter said there indeed is a rift between Jordan and Paul.

The officials said Jordan wants to be more involved in the offense and wants to be an All-Star, and he's not sure whether those things can happen on the Clippers with All-Stars Paul and Blake Griffin.

 

[magnifier661]

I do not want to trade Vonleh. He is a legit lottery pick, with a year under his belt, and he's young with a ton of up side. If he were in this year's draft he'd be what, top 5? Guys like that are hard to come by.

Henderson, Kaman and Crabbe would do it

 

[BBert]

I do not want to trade Vonleh. He is a legit lottery pick, with a year under his belt, and he's young with a ton of up side. If he were in this year's draft he'd be what, top 5? Guys like that are hard to come by.

Honestly, I liked Batum more than most here, but that's hella good return on Nico.

 

[BBert]

Henderson, Kaman and Crabbe would do it

And so would I.

 

[Natebishop3]

And so would I.

And so would I!

 

[Boob-No-More]

I do not want to trade Vonleh. He is a legit lottery pick, with a year under his belt, and he's young with a ton of up side. If he were in this year's draft he'd be what, top 5? Guys like that are hard to come by.

Yep, we bought low (thank you Charlotte - I can't believe they gave up on him after only one year). Now, we keep him until he develops and either sell high our make him a long term part of our future. Young bigs take a while to develop at the NBA level, but this guy has all the tools to be be a very good NBA big man.

BNM

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I do not want to trade Vonleh. He is a legit lottery pick, with a year under his belt, and he's young with a ton of up side. If he were in this year's draft he'd be what, top 5? Guys like that are hard to come by.

Exactly. Guys taken in the top 5 are hard to come by. I mean, there's only 5 guys taken in the top-5, and it only happens once per year.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yep, we bought low (thank you Charlotte - I can't believe they gave up on him after only one year). Now, we keep him until he develops and either sell high our make him a long term part of our future. Young bigs take a while to develop at the NBA level, but this guy has all the tools to be be a very good NBA big man.

BNM

Look at CJ. Everyone thought he would come in right away after the draft and contribute as a rookie. And by most accounts, he was prepared to do that as training camp was starting. Then, he missed training camp and it basically threw off his rookie season. CJ wasn't the first player this happened to, and he won't be the last. I have no doubt that missing training camp as a rookie really played into Vonleh's rookie performance. That being said, the potential, the work ethic, the person.... you have to like them all.

 

[rotary111]

Olshey likes Kristaps. Melo is pissed. He wants experience help not a rookie 2 or 3 years off.

Can we sign and trade a combination of Rolo/Crabbe/Noah and fillers for Kristaps/Jerian Grant?

Might be a good time to take a chance on someone most people think is going to be really good.

Knick fans already don't like him.

 

[riverman]

Addendum to the Hibbert debacle. It was his fiancé that Paul George slept with.

I could only imagine the vitriol I would feel of an organization that really didn't have your back because their star player was the cause of the issue. Would you want to give your all for that team? The team that basically forced you to see the guy that cheated on your fiancé for most the year? And would you want to play hard for your best friend that stabbed you in the back?

Sounds like George did him a favor...now he doesn't need to marry the slut. Better the fiance than the wife

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Sounds like George did him a favor...now he doesn't need to marry the slut. Better the fiance than the wife

Hibbert married the "slut" in question.

 

[riverman]

Hibbert married the "slut" in question.

wow, I guess he's not coachable after all

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Exactly. Guys taken in the top 5 are hard to come by. I mean, there's only 5 guys taken in the top-5, and it only happens once per year.

Anthony Bennett is available. VERY available.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Henderson, Kaman and Crabbe would do it

I feel like we're missing something. Henderson is part of our team (unless traded solo) until August 24. Can't combine him with anyone.

Kaman's big value (~4M savings in cap space, or up to 6.5M if they max out the trade value) is only until June 30. After that, he's an expiring contract in 2015-16.

Crabbe has, to my knowledge, not been signed yet for 2015-16, so he can't be traded.

 

[lawai'a]

Hibbert married the "slut" in question.

now I know there are better options out there for us

 

[riverman]

Anthony Bennett is available. VERY available.

So are Greg Oden and Hasheem Thabeet last time I checked...Bennett is a bust

 

[magnifier661]

I feel like we're missing something. Henderson is part of our team (unless traded solo) until August 24. Can't combine him with anyone.

Kaman's big value (~4M savings in cap space, or up to 6.5M if they max out the trade value) is only until June 30. After that, he's an expiring contract in 2015-16.

Crabbe has, to my knowledge, not been signed yet for 2015-16, so he can't be traded.

Well that definitely puts a damper on my scenario! Lol

Does our cap holds limit our space to just use Kaman?

 

[BrianFromWA]

rephrase the question...I'm not sure I understand what you mean. But as of right now, until June 30, the only players we can trade in a package are Dame, Meyers, CJ, Crabbe(?--I have to look at his exact contract situation) and Kaman, and the rights to Connaughton. We can trade Henderson, Plumlee and Vonleh by themselves.

 

[magnifier661]

rephrase the question...I'm not sure I understand what you mean. But as of right now, until June 30, the only players we can trade in a package are Dame, Meyers, CJ, Crabbe(?--I have to look at his exact contract situation) and Kaman, and the rights to Connaughton. We can trade Henderson, Plumlee and Vonleh by themselves.

I was saying do we have enough free cap space to trade Kaman 6 mil before June 30 and extra to grab Hibbert?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Don't think so. Hibbert opted in, so he can be traded (he's not a contract that expires on June 30, like, say, LMA) and his contract until June 30 is 14.9M. With Kaman, Meyers and CJ combined, we don't even get to 9.5M, which wouldn't let us trade that package for him anyway.

I think we're resigned into trading off parts one by one until June 30, and then using cap space to go after folks.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Anthony Bennett is available. VERY available.

I'm hoping you understand my post was a sarcastic post poking fun at the post I was responding to. But given your angst the past 48 hours, I'll understand if you missed it.

But yes.... let's add Bennett. He is a #1. Those only come around once per year!