Nets-Portland deal almost done!

[bballfreak524]

ESPN Insider is reporting that the Nets-Portland deal is close to being done. The deal is Kittles, Williams and #22 pick for Rahim. The Nets also cancelled all the workouts with draft prospects . So this deal will probably be announced after the expansion draft.

 

[Peja King]

this probably mean that Martin's gonna leave

 

[mike18946]

That trade still doesn't really help the Nets, they still need shooters and they trade away their best and only one? seems pointless.

That trade alone is not going to get them to the finals. If this trade happens then the Nets need to somehow get Ray Allen, thats the only way this trade with Portland would seems logical.

 

[Midnight Green]

Well I would say the nets are giving up alot. And if they continue there past streaks of bad trades like mutombo, and bad signings like zo, they will not be back in the finals next season. They need to aquire some quick players to play on the team with a great denfese and great shooting when they are in the half court they cant really excecute the only reason they score so many points is because they get out on the break alot.

 

[jbbNJNetz]

This seems like a decent trade. But to give up the 22nd pick is really bad cause that is our future and there are a lot of decent players in this draft. Looks like the nets are trying to go big and quick. I really hope that if they make this trade they try to get at least 2 decent shooters in the half court. Like Barry cause it shows that you dont need high priced players to be good just look at detriot they are not as pricy as other teams. Also they must be looking at somebody in the second round of draft.

 

[Henacy]

This trade all of shouldnt isnt a good deal, nobody said that we were giving up our 1st round pick in any of the rumors I have heard. If kittles & our 1st round pick(which was rumored we may take a wing guard like Tony Allen or Luke Jackson) are both gone then we will have a major hole at the 2-guard. And seemingly no way to fix it.

And if this does mean that we are packaging K-mart to the Sonics for Ray Allen in amother deal, then I will be extremely disappointed. And I think we would be taking a step back in the wrong direction. Martin is the blue collar heart of this team. And it cant function the same without him.

 

[Next Level Game]

I hope the Kenyon Martin for Ray Allen trade isn't real. Ray's a great player and one my favorites but Kmart anchors our defense. Ray Allen has the talent to be a good defender but most times doesn't play defense, where as Kittles always plays tough defense. So losing two key defenders for scoring? I don't think it'll work. Detroit didn't need to 20 point scorers to win, they just used tough defense. Hopefully Kenyon still stays and RJ works on his 3 point shot a lot. Then the trade will be worth it.

 

[bballfreak524]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">This trade all of shouldnt isnt a good deal, nobody said that we were giving up our 1st round pick in any of the rumors I have heard. If kittles & our 1st round pick(which was rumored we may take a wing guard like Tony Allen or Luke Jackson)</div>

I doubt that I can post a ESPN Insider article here. My board has the Insider article and the link is in my sig if anyones interested in reading the article. Todays article is stating that the Trailbalzers want the 1st round pick if the Nets want this deal to get done.

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kiddfan2004:</div><div class="quote_post">I doubt that I can post a ESPN Insider article here. Todays ESPN Insider article is stating that the Trailbalzers want the 1st round pick. You can read it if you have ESPN Insider.</div>

Haha..naw I wasnt doubting your truthfulness. And if it came off that way then my bad on my part. I was just saying that us giving up the #22 pick is competely new to me. I have been reading this trade rumor in the NY Post & Daily news, they even talked a little about the trade on a local sports talk show Mike & the Maddog, and never once did any of those source say the trade required us giving up the #22 pick.

So ESPN making the report is kind of new for me. And I really dont like the trade anymore

 

[bballfreak524]

Yeah I dont like it either. Thats too much to give up for a perennial loser who hasnt done anything on a winning team. Can he handle the playoff pressure? I sure dont think so. I hope Rod The God turns around and trades Rahim for Ray Allen. Sonics were supposedly interested in trading for Rahim during the trade deadline last year but didnt want to send Allen to a team in their own division. If Rod The God pulls this off I would build a statue of him right next to the CAA!

 

[jbbNJNetz]

after some strong consideration, with the 22nd pick kittles and williams wont work that too much stand to lose alot of good players. and it seems like the nets are scared that they are not going to be able to keep martin which is scary. If they are unable to keep martin then they have to stongly consider else is out there. Sorry to say that for all you kmart and nets fans but we also gotta to think of the whole picture here who else is out there that could be an impact player if we cant keep martin.

 

[jbbNJNetz]

I like what you said kidd fan trade kittles and williams no 22nd pic for rahim and then turn around and trade him to seattle. keep the 22nd pick and get the best shooting guard left in the draft so when allen leaves them we will have a decent sg. but that all depends on if he get played as a rookie. Rahim is a good player but hasnt had a chance to be on a decent team like the nets. he could work out only if he started at center. i'll give him that much credit

 

[bballfreak524]

Hey if we get Ray Ray, I will glady include the 22nd pick and future draft picks!

Imagine this lineup!

Jason Collins/Free Agent Center
Kenyon Martin
Richard Jefferson
Ray Allen
Jason Kidd

Holy God! Im drooling!

 

[jbbNJNetz]

Nice line up but we also need a bench. That what detroit showed have great defense and a bench will win you the championship. We didnt lack the defense but we did lack the bench and scoring severely. But that is an awesome line up martin will get you 15-20 pts rj will get about the same allen will get 20 or over and kid get is his 10-15 pts center spot will get you 10-15 points as long as they rotate them.

 

[bballfreak524]

Agreed. But we still would have the MLE. Sign the Barry brothers to play the backup SG and PG positions. Sin Eddie Griffin with the LLE and we have a new EFFECTIVE bench.

 

[Rave]

The Rockets seem to have a lot to offer in terms of the bench aspect, I suggest looking around in the Heat and Hornets also. Their bench has some decent depth within it. SAR is really going to help out in the effort and rebounding aspects of the Nets, he's consistent also, I like the look of how this is going to turn out. However I wish our players leaving all the best, you tried hard and did good for us, we'll miss you.

 

[jbbNJNetz]

that sounds right but its to much to asking for especially the barry brothers. but ihave faith in griffen then we can get rid of rodney to the lakers cause they want him

 

[mike18946]

Seattle will not trade Allen for SAR, they weren't interested two months ago and won't be now. I also doubt NJ will get Brent Barry It's more likely he will sign a long deal with the Sonics or go to San Antonio.

There's no doubt the Nets need a shooting guard, which I feel will need to be done via trade.

 

[bballfreak524]

They werent interested because they didnt want him going to a team in the same division.

 

[mike18946]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kiddfan2004:</div><div class="quote_post">They werent interested because they didnt want him going to a team in the same division.</div>

That had nothing to do with it at all, they didn't like the deal when Shareef was in Atlanta but Portland kept pushing it. To say the Sonics weren't interested because Portland are a division rival is straight up silly.

SAR is not even close to the talent or player Ray is.

 

[jbbNJNetz]

Lets just hope that what ever the nets management makes is a good one and will benefit the team and make it better then the 2002-2003 team

 

[bballfreak524]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">That had nothing to do with it at all, they didn't like the deal when Shareef was in Atlanta but Portland kept pushing it. To say the Sonics weren't interested because Portland are a division rival is straight up silly.

SAR is not even close to the talent or player Ray is.</div>


I know SAR is not at the same level as Ray Allen. But Ray Allen has already said that he is going to leave Seattle after this season. Do you think they will let him walk after this season without any compensation? I sure as hell dont. I think that deal makes sense for both team. We can also throw in a future first round draft pick. They get the frontcourt player they need in SAR along with the pick. They can move Flip to SG. It makes too much sense.

 

[mike18946]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kiddfan2004:</div><div class="quote_post">I know SAR is not at the same level as Ray Allen. But Ray Allen has already said that he is going to leave Seattle after this season. Do you think they will let him walk after this season without any compensation? I sure as hell dont. I think that deal makes sense for both team. We can also throw in a future first round draft pick. They get the frontcourt player they need in SAR along with the pick. They can move Flip to SG. It makes too much sense.</div>

Ray Allen never stated that at all, he has said all along he wants a contract extention and be in Seattle long term. He has had problems with the management because of the extention. And I'm sure If he wanted out the Sonics would get alot more than Shareef for him

SAR is one of those players that have great stats on terrible teams who has no winning attuide or heart.

I consider Ray Allen a superstar type player, you don't trade him away for a guy who by many is considered a loser.

 

[jbbNJNetz]

What i notice is that players that come on the nets or on the nets become better players but I think SAR would be a better player here. Cause Jkidd elevates everybodies game.

 

[Monte]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NJNetz:</div><div class="quote_post">What i notice is that players that come on the nets or on the nets become better players but I think SAR would be a better player here. Cause Jkidd elevates everybodies game.</div>

Actually I think this comment is off-base.

Look up and down the list, outside of developing talent in Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson who has become even marginally better than they were?

Rodney Rogers?
Lucious Harris?
Dikembe Mutumbo?
Kerry Kittles?
Keith Van Horn?

I can't think of anyone...

 

[jbbNJNetz]

Rodney Rogers when we got him he was already over the hill.

Lu Harris you could say is like rogers but still got some life in him.

De Mu is way over the the hill when we got him.

Keith Van Horn would have been better if he stayed with us he was a key part for this team gong to the championship and the nets missed his scoring the past 2 seasons.

Kerry Kittles to i knew he was going to be just a mediocre player he was great in villanova but had just enough skill to be a nba player. He is a roleplayer thats it

But heres a few Jason Kidd(was already developed but it showed that he can take a team to the champioship), Drazen Petrovic(became an even better player then what he was in Portland), Starbury, Sam Cassell, Kenny Anderson, and Derrick Coleman

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually I think this comment is off-base.

Look up and down the list, outside of developing talent in Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson who has become even marginally better than they were?

Rodney Rogers?</div>

Your right Rodney Rogers didnt become better in with the Nets, he actually became worst. But he was just arisk Rob Thorn took because he wa teammates with J.Kidd in PHX together.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lucious Harris?</div>

You could say Lucious Harris became marginally better as a Nets player than he was with the Mavs.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dikembe Mutumbo?</div>
No need to comment of course he fell off as a Net

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kerry Kittles?
Keith Van Horn?</div>

They were our draft picks so you cant say whether they got better when they became Nets because they never played anywhere before us. And you cant compare what they did in college because the level of competion is totally different.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I can't think of anyone...</div>

Stephen Jackson he couldnt even make the Suns when he was drafted by them in 97'. So he had to go overseas, but we gave him a chance in 2000. And he opened up alot of eyes with the Net due to the minutes he got because of Kittles injury. And led to him signing with the Spurs & look he is going to be one of the hottest free Agents on the market this year.

Damon Jones- Another player who couldnt find away in the NBA, but we were the 1st team to give him a legit shot on the NBA level in 98'. And now he is a pretty productive player on the NBA level.

Drazen Petrovic-Most def. He was a 3rd round pick in1986 of Portland. But he idnt come to the Blazers until his rookie contact was almost in 1989. He hardly played with them that. And nobody really knew who he was when the Nets got him in 90'. But by 91' he was one of he best SG in the league. And Drazen Petrovic success with the Nets really opened the door for all the overseas players like Tony kukoc, & then Peja, Dirk. Because the NBA wasnt really taking risk on bringing over shooters from over seas before Drazen. Detlef Schrempf is the only truely successful one drafted before Drazen. And they were basically during the same era.

I seen somebody mention Steph, He doesnt really count because he was already a highly scouted talent when he was on the Wolves. He probably could have went to any team just about. And put up those type of # he did with the Nets.

Sam Cassell is in the same postion basically, he already proved himself his 1st two seasons with the Rockets. He never started during his 1st two seasons with them but he was often the player in the game in the 4th quarter over Kenny Smith(who was a former all-star in this league) during the Rockets championshp runs during those years. So eveybody Knew he would be a legit player. But I do understand why you said him because we gave him his 1st job as a everyday legit starter on the NBa level.

Jason Kidd was an all-star & considered to be a top 2 or at least 5 pg before he even came to the Nets so I wouldnt really say he got better because he came to the Nets.

And DC & Kenny Anderson were our Draft picks, so the same rules apply to them as Van Horn & Kittles.

 

[Chinkboi]

I dunno if this has been posted, but there are rumors that the 22nd pick may be sent over to Portland for money.

 

[mike18946]

Seems the trade for SAR may not happen

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In a move that could be made to free up money to re-sign Kenyon Martin, the Nets and Blazers have discussed a trade that would send the Nets' first-round pick to Portland for cash considerations, according to a Western Conference source.

The Nets own the No. 22 pick in Thursday's draft. Nets CEO Rod Thorn and Blazers GM John Nash had no comment on the deal that likely would include a player or two from Portland with a non-guaranteed or small contract.
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Link

 

[Henacy]

Well if parting with our 1st round pick insures us that Kenton Martin stays, then I am all for it. But I most admit, I was looking forward to seeing what solid pick we could get. The Nets have few holes that need to be fix to make sure we get back to the fnals next year. And we have little cap space & little trade value on our current roster, so that 1st pick would have surely helped.