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The discussion is over because "common sense" means compromising your constitutional and ideological principles and only agreeing with Democrats.
 
The common sense solution is to apply major criminal penalties against those who use guns for illegal acts. Tack 25 years onto a robbery conviction/sentence if a gun was used to commit the crime.

Make the gun owners responsible for their guns. If their guns and/or ammo are stolen or otherwise used in a gun crime, the owner becomes an accomplice.

Nothing at all wrong with owning guns for whatever legal reasons. Nothing wrong with requiring owners be responsible. No excuse for getting your gun stolen, either.

If the extra sentence isn't a deterrent, at least you keep the violent abusers of gun rights off the streets.
 
Here's the thing: how many mass shootings in the US involve machine guns (post Al Capone-era)? I don't know of any. If that's because machine guns are ILLEGAL, then doesn't that tell us something?
 
Denny Crane said:
The common sense solution is to apply major criminal penalties against those who use guns for illegal acts. Tack 25 years onto a robbery conviction/sentence if a gun was used to commit the crime.

Make the gun owners responsible for their guns. If their guns and/or ammo are stolen or otherwise used in a gun crime, the owner becomes an accomplice.

Nothing at all wrong with owning guns for whatever legal reasons. Nothing wrong with requiring owners be responsible. No excuse for getting your gun stolen, either.

If the extra sentence isn't a deterrent, at least you keep the violent abusers of gun rights off the streets.
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And this does nothing to fix the slaughter in the school. Perhaps these changes fixes something else, but not the monster right in front of us.
 
Denny Crane said:
The common sense solution is to apply major criminal penalties against those who use guns for illegal acts. Tack 25 years onto a robbery conviction/sentence if a gun was used to commit the crime.

Make the gun owners responsible for their guns. If their guns and/or ammo are stolen or otherwise used in a gun crime, the owner becomes an accomplice.

Nothing at all wrong with owning guns for whatever legal reasons. Nothing wrong with requiring owners be responsible. No excuse for getting your gun stolen, either.

If the extra sentence isn't a deterrent, at least you keep the violent abusers of gun rights off the streets.
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I like a lot of that. But how to you assign responsibility if you don't have mandatory registration of all guns and their owners? If your gun is stolen and unregistered how do you make the owner responsible if they don't report their gun was stolen?
 
MarAzul said:
Back when kids packed at school, no one in there right or screwed up mind, would go to school with the intention of shooting the place up.
Too damn dangerous! The probability for success, too damn low.
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Kids "Packed" at school?

As Sly asked in a few posts, do you mean packing weapons to school with you? You couldn't solve your problems without one?
 
I don't think kids should be able to bring weapons to school, and I'm pretty sure there are laws against underage possession...but I'd have to look that up.

There's a big difference between "parent open carrying a rifle walking through the schoolyard" and "Coach Smith can CCW if he wants, especially if he's one of the safety response officials".
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't think kids should be able to bring weapons to school, and I'm pretty sure there are laws against underage possession...but I'd have to look that up.

There's a big difference between "parent open carrying a rifle walking through the schoolyard" and "Coach Smith can CCW if he wants, especially if he's one of the safety response officials".
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It depends on the type of weapon and the state.

Handguns are not allowed to be owned by people under 18yrs of age nationwide. Rifles and shotguns are allowed in 30 of the 50 states but exact age and other limitations very from state to state.
 
Hobbesarable said:
Why in the world as a kid you felt you needed to take a weapon to school?
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He was protecting his school from Elizabeth Warren.

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MarAzul said:
Back when I went to school, it was not unusually at all to go to school with a weapon in the car while parking it at school. To go hunting directly after school. Guns were a normal part of our lives, a useful tool.
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Hobbesarable said:
Why in the world as a kid you felt you needed to take a weapon to school?
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I presume this is the post you are referring to.

Well actually at the time it did not even seem unusual. I lived in my own house alone, and you know a guy needs to cook supper. I often went hunting or fishing to get that meal. There was nothing illegal about it, there were no law prohibiting any of this. My house was about 5 miles from school, having the gun in the car was a handy place to keep it. I kept the .32 revolver in my house though, I figured that would be where I might need it. Hell, I could match anyone for skill, with any of these arms by the time I was 16. Dinner on the table was proof more often than not.

I don't think the first law restricting anything was enacted until 1968 when it restricted handguns to 21 years or more of age. It didn't effect me at all.
Gun free zones at schools did not begin until the 90s, when the Killing zones were created.
 
MarAzul said:
I presume this is the post you are referring to.

Well actually at the time it did not even seem unusual. I lived in my own house alone, and you know a guy needs to cook supper. I often went hunting or fishing to get that meal. There was nothing illegal about it, there were no law prohibiting any of this. My house was about 5 miles from school, having the gun in the car was a handy place to keep it. I kept the .32 revolver in my house though, I figured that would be where I might need it. Hell, I could match anyone for skill, with any of these arms by the time I was 16. Dinner on the table was proof more often than not.

I don't think the first law restricting any thing was enacted until 1968 when it restricted handguns to 21 years or more of age. It didn't effect me at all.
Gun free zones at schools did not begin until the 90s, when the Killing zones were created.
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Well, times changed since then. I went to school during the 80's when kids brought weapons (knives and guns) with them to hurt people during the gangs of the time: bloods and crips. That was an extremely violent time on school grounds.
 
Hobbesarable said:
Well, times changed since then. I went to school during the 80's when kids brought weapons (knives and guns) with them to hurt people during the gangs of the time: bloods and crips. That was an extremely violent time on school grounds.
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My friend Machado stabbed kids with a pencil. Generally in the arm or shoulder while in a fight. People quit starting fights with him after he started doing that.
 
Unfortunately, the guys I went to school with and became part of gangs, operated in strike first and with force without giving the opposition a chance to fight. It really was a brutal time in the public education school system.
 
Hobbesarable said:
Unfortunately, the guys I went to school with and became part of gangs, operated in strike first and with force without giving the opposition a chance to fight. It really was a brutal time in the public education school system.
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I read this in a goofy 1940s WW2 sad soldier reading his journal voice
 
Hobbesarable said:
I went to school during the 80's when kids brought weapons (knives and guns) with them to hurt people during the gangs of the time: bloods and crips. That was an extremely violent time on school grounds.
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So, they fixed that! Turning the once dangerous school grounds in to the Killing zone where the evil doers can come, free of opposition to do their thing, killing our children all gathered for their pleasure, unprotected and very vulnerable.
 
MarAzul said:
So, they fixed that! Turning the once dangerous school grounds in to the Killing zone where the evil doers can come, free of opposition to do their thing, killing our children all gathered for their pleasure, unprotected and very vulnerable.
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That would be most places in the U.S. and with millions of firearms at their disposal, unfortunately, it will keep happening.
 
Hobbesarable said:
That would be most places in the U.S. and with millions of firearms at their disposal, unfortunately, it will keep happening.
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Exactly!
So we should eliminate the Killing zones. Make it a high risk proposition again to come on school property with the intent to kill, unrestricted.
 
MarAzul said:
Well actually at the time it did not even seem unusual. I lived in my own house alone, and you know a guy needs to cook supper. I often went hunting or fishing to get that meal. There was nothing illegal about it, there were no law prohibiting any of this. My house was about 5 miles from school, having the gun in the car was a handy place to keep it. I kept the .32 revolver in my house though, I figured that would be where I might need it. Hell, I could match anyone for skill, with any of these arms by the time I was 16. Dinner on the table was proof more often than not.
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So exactly how would that prevent a school shooting? The gun is in the car.

No one would know you have a gun unless that is something that you went around and told everyone about.

Which someone telling everyone that they have a gun in their car and know how to use it would one of the first things they look for in trying to determine who is a danger to the school.

So as far as prevention goes it doesn't really mean much.

Now as far as stopping a shooting already in progress, again, not sure that is going to do anything.

There is a very strong chance that by the time you heard the shots being fired, got up, ran out of your classroom, then down the hall, out of the school, and finally out to your car to get your gun there a first responder is pulling up in the very same parking lot that you're now holding a gun in.

Pure chaos, people running and screaming out of the school and you're the one running back towards the school with a gun.

Guess who is going to become target number one with the police?

Even if the cops aren't sure who the shooter is guess whose description everyone is going to give. Yours.

So you're running around the school looking for someone to shoot and the police are looking for you to shoot.

You have effectively prevented the police from looking for the actual shooter.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
So exactly how would that prevent a school shooting? The gun is in the car.

No one would know you have a gun unless that is something that you went around and told everyone about.

Which someone telling everyone that they have a gun in their car and know how to use it would one of the first things they look for in trying to determine who is a danger to the school.

So as far as prevention goes it doesn't really mean much.

Now as far as stopping a shooting already in progress, again, not sure that is going to do anything.

There is a very strong chance that by the time you heard the shots being fired, got up, ran out of your classroom, then down the hall, out of the school, and finally out to your car to get your gun there a first responder is pulling up in the very same parking lot that you're now holding a gun in.

Pure chaos, people running and screaming out of the school and you're the one running back towards the school with a gun.

Guess who is going to become target number one with the police?

Even if the cops aren't sure who the shooter is guess whose description everyone is going to give. Yours.

So you're running around the school looking for someone to shoot and the police are looking for you to shoot.

You have effectively prevented the police from looking for the actual shooter.
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What the fuck are you talking about?:snort:
 
MarAzul said:
What the fuck are you talking about?:snort:
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You said this.

MarAzul said:
Back when kids packed at school, no one in there right or screwed up mind, would go to school with the intention of shooting the place up.
Too damn dangerous! The probability for success, too damn low.
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MarAzul said:
Yes, packing implied weapons.
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MarAzul said:
having the gun in the car was a handy place to keep it.
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How would a gun in the car prevent or stop a shooting at your school?
 
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