OT New NFL Kneeling Rule

[dviss1]

Quick story:

I'm taking my son to school and we stop at Starbucks. We have a 20 or so minutes to sit, eat, and talk about the logistics of the day.

We're just sitting there talking and my son asks me "What's wrong Pop? Are you alright?". I said "yeah why?", fighting the anxiety I'm suddenly showing outwardly.

My son looked at me with a bewildered look that I'd never seen before. Rarely is he confused.

"You looked worried and scared. I've never seen you look like that before Pop."

I was having a PTSD reaction from the police that just entered the Starbucks.

Even though I'm an honest, hard working, tax paying, responsible, productive citizen, I felt nervous and began to sweating at their very presence.

I haven't done anything wrong but feel like we should leave soon. There's literally a lump growing in my throat.

Realizing my son has never seen me look afraid I thought I'd use it as a teaching moment.

"Did I do anything wrong son?."

"No papa."

"Do you think it's fair that I should have to feel scared and nervous even though I'm innocent of any wrongdoing?" "no papa".

"You're right son. I shouldn't."

 

[dviss1]

I fly a prominent American flag on a lighted 20 ft. pole in my front yard. I love the flag, I love my country, I love the Constitution. I'm also a disabled combat Veteran and I see nothing wrong with a person kneeling during the national anthem even though I wouldn't. I'll fight for that right.

Race relations are the biggest problem this country has and the associated problems deserve to be pointed out to those who are oblivious.

I'm tempted to quote from the Bible but some of you would object so I'll simply leave it at let your conscience be your guide.

You should have. I love to.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Weeeeeeak!

You're just jelly because you didn't think of it.

 

[Lanny]

How do you feel about clog dancing during the national anthem?

Clog dancing? I've seen stranger and this is America.

I once rode on a commercial airplane flight with the mayor of Rajneeshpuram. It's gonna take some doing to top that. You've never seen a stranger dude.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Quick story:

I'm taking my son to school and we stop at Starbucks. We have a 20 or so minutes to sit, eat, and talk about the logistics of the day.

We're just sitting there talking and my son asks me "What's wrong Pop? Are you alright?". I said "yeah why?", fighting the anxiety I'm suddenly showing outwardly.

My son looked at me with a bewildered look that I'd never seen before. Rarely is he confused.

"You looked worried and scared. I've never seen you look like that before Pop."

I was having a PTSD reaction from the police that just entered the Starbucks.

Even though I'm an honest, hard working, tax paying, responsible, productive citizen, I felt nervous and began to sweating at their very presence.

I haven't done anything wrong but feel like we should leave soon. There's literally a lump growing in my throat.

Realizing my son has never seen me look afraid I thought I'd use it as a teaching moment.

"Did I do anything wrong son?."

"No papa."

"Do you think it's fair that I should have to feel scared and nervous even though I'm innocent of any wrongdoing?" "no papa".

"You're right son. I shouldn't."

I don’t like that you had to feel that way, and I really want things to change for the better... I just don’t believe something that gets so many people upset is going to make people work together to solve the problem... half the country won’t even listen if that’s the approach... there are better ways for athletes to use there power than doing something that upsets half of the population

 

[Gronk Brady]

You are apologizing just because he served in the military? HOLY SHIT! You can’t make this shit up!

Yes, Lanny risking his life for the freedom and opportunity my family has been given is enough to command my respect... it’s more important than my ego in a stupid sports forum argument... and I’ll buy him a drink if I ever see him

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Quick story:

I'm taking my son to school and we stop at Starbucks. We have a 20 or so minutes to sit, eat, and talk about the logistics of the day.

We're just sitting there talking and my son asks me "What's wrong Pop? Are you alright?". I said "yeah why?", fighting the anxiety I'm suddenly showing outwardly.

My son looked at me with a bewildered look that I'd never seen before. Rarely is he confused.

"You looked worried and scared. I've never seen you look like that before Pop."

I was having a PTSD reaction from the police that just entered the Starbucks.

Even though I'm an honest, hard working, tax paying, responsible, productive citizen, I felt nervous and began to sweating at their very presence.

I haven't done anything wrong but feel like we should leave soon. There's literally a lump growing in my throat.

Realizing my son has never seen me look afraid I thought I'd use it as a teaching moment.

"Did I do anything wrong son?."

"No papa."

"Do you think it's fair that I should have to feel scared and nervous even though I'm innocent of any wrongdoing?" "no papa".

"You're right son. I shouldn't."

Next time buy the cops some donuts.

#TheWayToStopAbadCopWithAgunIsAgoodGuyWithAdonut

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm outraged that you're outraged that he's outraged. Anyone wanna top that?

I'm outraged that @Lanny is outraged that @SlyPokerDog is outraged that @dviss1 is outraged....wait, what were we talking about?

 

[Lanny]

Yes, Lanny risking his life for the freedom and opportunity my family has been given is enough to command my respect... it’s more important than my ego in a stupid sports forum argument... and I’ll buy him a drink if I ever see him

And I'll buy you one.

One thing I've learned in church is that everyone trespasses. Lord knows, I've done it too many times, myself. I've trespassed more than most in here, and I'm sure of that.

Forgiveness for each and everyone of us is not only very important but uplifting as well.

One bad thing I've never done, I've never gone back on my word. It's a long held family tradition on both sides of my family and I'm not going to break that tradition.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I don't give a shit about the NFL but... Go Jets!

 

[dviss1]

My son’s HS football team decided as a TEAM that they would stay in the locker room during the anthem during the state playoffs last fall. Unity on they ass is what it was. We were on the road in Salem and all those white people booed our kids because of it. Very sad moment.

My nephew was on the CC team that kneeled all last season. I'm proud of him for taking a stand.

 

[dviss1]

I don’t like that you had to feel that way, and I really want things to change for the better... I just don’t believe something that gets so many people upset is going to make people work together to solve the problem... half the country won’t even listen if that’s the approach... there are better ways for athletes to use there power than doing something that upsets half of the population

It only gets them upset because they don't want to listen to stories like mine. I wrote a whole song about it.

 

[dviss1]

I'm outraged that @Lanny is outraged that @SlyPokerDog is outraged that @dviss1 is outraged....wait, what were we talking about?

 

[Lanny]

Quick story:

I'm taking my son to school and we stop at Starbucks. We have a 20 or so minutes to sit, eat, and talk about the logistics of the day.

We're just sitting there talking and my son asks me "What's wrong Pop? Are you alright?". I said "yeah why?", fighting the anxiety I'm suddenly showing outwardly.

My son looked at me with a bewildered look that I'd never seen before. Rarely is he confused.

"You looked worried and scared. I've never seen you look like that before Pop."

I was having a PTSD reaction from the police that just entered the Starbucks.

Even though I'm an honest, hard working, tax paying, responsible, productive citizen, I felt nervous and began to sweating at their very presence.

I haven't done anything wrong but feel like we should leave soon. There's literally a lump growing in my throat.

Realizing my son has never seen me look afraid I thought I'd use it as a teaching moment.

"Did I do anything wrong son?."

"No papa."

"Do you think it's fair that I should have to feel scared and nervous even though I'm innocent of any wrongdoing?" "no papa".

"You're right son. I shouldn't."

This reminds me of an African-American friend of mine, who's now deceased. I had always thought that things were terrifically better than they were when I was a kid. I asked him and he told me how he and his wife often got stopped for virtually no reason at all. Then, my Asian wife had a bad experience in a couple of restaurants and one lady on a bus even took issue with her speaking her native language to her sister. These incidents opened my eyes to the fact that there's still a-holes out there and the fight is not over. In fact, I think it's bad enough to declare it our no. 1 priority.

"No One is Free While Others Are Oppressed" Aisha Simmons

 

[dviss1]

Oh, I get it. It's a sound argument. I just strongly disagree with the idea that our military is being used to fight for our freedom. The military has unfortunately been turned into a tool to safeguard and increase corporate profits - and they do so largely using the lives of the poor.

Spot on.

 

[Gronk Brady]

It only gets them upset because they don't want to listen to stories like mine. I wrote a whole song about it.

People would probably be more open to listen if you didn’t stereotype and blame a whole population... it’s doing the same thing that you hate being done to your culture... always insulting republicans and saying they are all white and racist will never bring people to the table...

 

[Lanny]

Next time buy the cops some donuts.

#TheWayToStopAbadCopWithAgunIsAgoodGuyWithAdonut

Nothing wrong with donuts. I love a good cake donut with a cup of coffee on some mornings. Sometimes I'd rather have that than my usual Spanish omlette or Swedish pancake or apple pancake or bacon egg over easy and hashbrowns or ham eggs and hashbrowns. Believe it or not my wife fixes me anything I want to eat. When I have to get up at 4 AM she gets up with me so I'll have a hot breakfast. Yeah, she's a keeper.

 

[dviss1]

People would probably be more open to listen if you didn’t stereotype and blame a whole population... it’s doing the same thing that you hate being done to your culture... always insulting republicans and saying they are all white and racist will never bring people to the table...

This is just not true. It's in no way true. People don't give a fuck. People come in here and say shit like:

"police only kill a little over 1000 people per year. It's not that big a problem"

and you know what???

FUCK THAT.

 

[Gronk Brady]

This is just not true. It's in no way true. People don't give a fuck. People come in here and say shit like:

"police only kill a little over 1000 people per year. It's not that big a problem"

and you know what???

FUCK THAT.

Did I say that?? All I said is I don’t think kneeling achieves the desired goal, and that it offends a lot of people... and you group all the people it offends as racist white people... I don’t understand why it’s so hard for millionaires to find another platform to discuss these issues that doesn’t piss off half the country so people will actually listen... what is so wrong about that?

 

[BonesJones]

Yes, Lanny risking his life for the freedom and opportunity my family has been given is enough to command my respect... it’s more important than my ego in a stupid sports forum argument... and I’ll buy him a drink if I ever see him

So that's what it takes for you to be respectful towards someone... got it.

 

[dviss1]

Did I say that?? All I said is I don’t think kneeling achieves the desired goal, and that it offends a lot of people... and you group all the people it offends as racist white people... I don’t understand why it’s so hard for millionaires to find another platform to discuss these issues that doesn’t piss off half the country so people will actually listen... what is so wrong about that?

It TRULY doesn't matter how we protest and we don't need you to tell us how. Typical whitesplaining...

This shirt is true. I'd wear it loud and proud:

 

[Gronk Brady]

It TRULY doesn't matter how we protest and we don't need you to tell us how. Typical whitesplaining...

This shirt is true. I'd wear it loud and proud:

There you go with the race card again... that’s your MO... probably won’t get very far in life always playing the victim and blaming others for your problems

 

[dviss1]

There you go with the race card again... that’s your MO... probably won’t get very far in life always playing the victim and blaming others for your problems

There you go with the race card card again.

 

[dviss1]

If white people where kneeling this wouldn't even be a story.

#yesisaidit

 

[The Professional Fan]

I love Doug Baldwin

 

[dviss1]

It's very hard to empathize when you don't experience it everyday.

It makes you think it doesn't exist...

 

[chzbrgr]

People would probably be more open to listen if you didn’t stereotype and blame a whole population... it’s doing the same thing that you hate being done to your culture... always insulting republicans and saying they are all white and racist will never bring people to the table...

Has bigoted opinions, gets mad for being called a bigot, plays the victim and blames the oppressed for fighting oppression.

That is the quintessential trumpian logic circle right there. You want to know what really keeps people from the table...denial.

You deny protests have any effect when they do. You deny that race based police violence exists when it does. You deny that systematic racism exists in American society when it does. So what is there to talk about when you think the problems of society don’t exist? You want to bring people to the table be honest enough to be accountable for your role in the brazen proliferation of bigotry.

 

[Lanny]

People would probably be more open to listen if you didn’t stereotype and blame a whole population... it’s doing the same thing that you hate being done to your culture... always insulting republicans and saying they are all white and racist will never bring people to the table...

Republicans are certainly not all racists. I only have to point to Senator McCain to disprove that. Senator Mitch McConnell's wife is Asian American and a Republican cabinet member.

However, if you're a racist you're gonna support a Republican. Why? I think it's because some Republicans have unwittingly supported ideas that run counter to racial equality and I know of no Democrats who support any racist issues. A very few Republicans do it on purpose.

I have no doubt whatsoever that dviss and his wonderful son take some uncalled for flak just because of their skin. And yet, it cut they bleed the same as you or me. They love, laugh and do all the things you or I do. And the flak they get is so uncalled for that I feel the same heat directed toward me, albeit indirectly.

My family is from the deep deep South and I've seen it. I've seen the sign on a drinking fountain that said white only and the one that said colored only (which I drank from). I've seen the 'N' word thrown around very freely in St. Louis (Ferguson, if you must know, yep I worked on the street Michael Brown was killed on). African-Americans always wind up at the bottom and that's just wrong and I will never stop fighting this injustice.

My father told me when I was in high school that because I am 1/16 American Indian I could not attend a public school in S. Carolina. This kind of opened my eyes. I also learned from a co-worker at Tektronix that African-Americans were barred by law from spending the night in a hotel in Beaverton, Oregon. The co-worker was the ex president of the John Birch Society who had reformed.

So, open your eyes. Injustice is all around us and it's time for us to go to work so others can work, pay taxes and make my life a little easier as a result.

 

[Lanny]

It's very hard to empathize when you don't experience it everyday.

It makes you think it doesn't exist...

I probably experienced it in a different form when I was a youngster. Now, I don't put up with that shit.

Time to get off your high horse, Lanny, and get back to basketball.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Republicans are certainly not all racists. I only have to point to Senator McCain to disprove that. Senator Mitch McConnell's wife is Asian American and a Republican cabinet member.

However, if you're a racist you're gonna support a Republican. Why? I think it's because some Republicans have unwittingly supported ideas that run counter to racial equality and I know of no Democrats who support any racist issues. A very few Republicans do it on purpose.

I have no doubt whatsoever that dviss and his wonderful son take some uncalled for flak just because of their skin. And yet, it cut they bleed the same as you or me. They love, laugh and do all the things you or I do. And the flak they get is so uncalled for that I feel the same heat directed toward me, albeit indirectly.

My family is from the deep deep South and I've seen it. I've seen the sign on a drinking fountain that said white only and the one that said colored only (which I drank from). I've seen the 'N' word thrown around very freely in St. Louis (Ferguson, if you must know, yep I worked on the street Michael Brown was killed on). African-Americans always wind up at the bottom and that's just wrong and I will never stop fighting this injustice.

My father told me when I was in high school that because I am 1/16 American Indian I could not attend a public school in S. Carolina. This kind of opened my eyes. I also learned from a co-worker at Tektronix that African-Americans were barred by law from spending the night in a hotel in Beaverton, Oregon. The co-worker was the ex president of the John Birch Society who had reformed.

So, open your eyes. Injustice is all around us and it's time for us to go to work so others can work, pay taxes and make my life a little easier as a result.

The ironic part about this is that Democrats are the party of slavery historically speaking... and in current day they do nothing to help minority communities come up economically... they just pander for votes every for years by calling republicans racist... just getting brainwashed by CNN for votes and not even thinking about what actual policy’s are in their best interest... and my wife and I are both different ethnicity, not white...