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And what YOUR side doesn't understand is that background checks already exist. I have argued this until I was blue in the face, but some people just DON'T get it. I don't understand why people argue with gun owners about this. Do you think we're blowing smoke out of our asses here?

There are NOT background checks for lots of Internet sales so don't blow smoke.

Dviss, that would be like me arguing with you about what it's like to be a black man. I wouldn't dream to do that, so why do you argue with actual gun owners about the 2nd Amendment and, more specifically, about background checks? It makes ZERO sense to me.

I used to be a buyer and seller of guns. Don't assume you know me.

So if I get insurance on my gun....will that cover my ass in the chance that I have to lawfully use that gun to protect myself with?

Why not?

And you don't think anti-gun organizations would have a problem with that? Oh....they would?

Why would they? They're advocating for it.

Oh, I see....so you want insurance on our firearms to punish us then, right?

If there is a "terrble tragedy" that occurs because of your negligence with the firearm you should be held accountable.

There are too many ways for insurance requirements on firearms to be abused by both the courts and the government. Far more ways than I care to explain here.



Patient Privacy Laws. My mental health, and indeed the mental health of all Americans, is PRIVATE. That privacy shouldn't have to be suspended just because I want to exercise my Civil Right to own a firearm. It's not the government's business what anyone's mental health is, and I'm surprised that I would have to explain that to someone who's a Liberal.

So that means you're blowing smoke up everybody's ass is when y'all say you want to do something about the mentally ill. Also, it seems like your people is completely fine with having a registry of people who purchase marijuana in our state but not for those who purchase guns.... Riddle me that...



Oh give me a break. Did you know that many Liberals actually believe that the NRA manufactures guns? No shit, I'm not making that up.

The last source that I checked that didn't have MDA and Bloomberg's name on it, the NRA's main source of income was from NRA members, not the corporations. A few thousand dollar sponsorships here and there for ads is hardly a big source of income for an organization as big as the NRA.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The majority of liberals do not believe that the NRA manufactures guns get the fuck out of here with that crap. I'm sure there are a fringe few of us. But there are a fringe few of y'all who believed that Obama should have done something to prevent 9/11 when he wasn't in office... Don't bring up a red herring to debate with me because that's not something that I believe in. Now that I've refuted that level of crap, it is true that they are lobbying simply to continue to increase firearm sales. The amount of money that is given to the NRA is given by their members because it's dues They're not lobbying for the 2nd Amendment. That's simply a tool they use to continue to enrich gun manufacturers.
 
Grabagun.com is the best online site to buy guns. They require background checks.
 
What are you blabbering on about? The rock is a known republican.

Just because you seen this on a few sites doesn't mean it's true. He was at one time a registered independent and nobody knows what he's registered as now. A Republican would never be caught dead at the Democratic Convention but he was there... So no one really knows what his political affiliation is. There are many sites that say he's politically ambiguous.
 
Just because you seen this on a few sites doesn't mean it's true. He was at one time a registered independent and nobody knows what he's registered as now. A Republican would never be caught dead at the Democratic Convention but he was there... So no one really knows what his political affiliation is. There are many sites that say he's politically ambiguous.
He is a registered republican in california
 
There will always be shitty people selling guns without background checks. Slap a ban on it i dont care enough.
Any true blooded yank can make a gun out of an Ace hardware store....might have to order a part or two but weapons are probably all over your garage if you just know how to make them cooperate...
 
There are NOT background checks for lots of Internet sales so don't blow smoke.

There's also easy ways to buy stolen cars online. Yet I don't hear anybody calling for "Car Control".

What's that? You mean, the majority of cars that are bought online are bought legally?

Well, so are guns.


I used to be a buyer and seller of guns. Don't assume you know me.

You used to hold a Federal Firearms License? Or you sold them privately?

Forgive me if I find this very hard to believe. You trust the government when it comes to Gun Control WAY too much for me to take you seriously about that.

But, by all means....I welcome your explanation.

Why would they? They're advocating for it.

Because, despite what they claim, they don't support the 2nd Amendment, and they sure as hell wouldn't support a legally armed citizen using a firearm to protect themselves with. ESPECIALLY if it's carried legally in public.

And I've yet to see even ONE bit of evidence that says otherwise.

If there is a "terrble tragedy" that occurs because of your negligence with the firearm you should be held accountable.

I'm afraid this is where you lose credibility, and let me explain why.

Too often, that very logic is used to justify prosecuting innocent people who have had to use a firearm for self-defense to appease communities when an "innocent angel" is shot and killed. They don't care if this person was violent, had a criminal history, or was even in the process of beating the fuck out of someone or trying to steal their firearm.

They just care about EMOTION. And they call defending yourself "negligence", and then ask why the innocent angel had to die, and why the shooter couldn't have shot him in the leg. Or something equally stupid.

If this happened to me....you think my insurance company would side with me, despite the fact that I was lawfully cleared in the shooting?

I don't think so. I've studied, read, and seen too many cases of good people being prosecuted on bogus charges because they chose to exercise their right of Self Defense with a firearm for me to believe that. And often times, that logic is used either to appease a group of people, or they are prosecuted for political gain.

So, my question to you is: what defines a "terrible tragedy" to you?

So that means you're blowing smoke up everybody's ass is when y'all say you want to do something about the mentally ill.

So you don't agree with Patient Privacy?

Okay. Then tell us your medical history and information, so that we can determine if you're safe enough to live among us.

See how that works?

Also, it seems like your people is completely fine with having a registry of people who purchase marijuana in our state but not for those who purchase guns.... Riddle me that...

Don't give me a strawman argument here. I personally give a fuck all about Marijuana or the laws governing it. Quite frankly, it needs to be legalized at the Federal Level, and states need to figure out for themselves what is okay and what is not.

When you can explain to me what a registry of legal gun owners will do to PREVENT crime, and who's in charge of keeping the registry, then we can discuss that in more detail.

But quite frankly, I'd rather have a public registry of violent repeat Felons and those associated with Gangs before we have a registry of law-abiding gun owners. I mean, why would you focus on tracking those who break no laws, rather than those who do?

But there are a fringe few of y'all who believed that Obama should have done something to prevent 9/11 when he wasn't in office...

Yeah, you can get out of my face with that crap too. I've yet to hear ONE Republican blame Obama for 9/11. If anything, I hear way too many Liberals blaming Bush for 9/11...despite the fact that the planning for it started LONG before he was even a candidate for president.

The amount of money that is given to the NRA is given by their members because it's dues

And donations from private entities. Which is entirely legal.

They're not lobbying for the 2nd Amendment. That's simply a tool they use to continue to enrich gun manufacturers.

That's funny....because I've yet to hear them say "Support the Gun Manufacturers". They usually say "Support the 2nd Amendment", and supporting the 2A is about SO much more than buying a gun. There's competitions, discussion panels, training courses and schools, public education, and studies of history and laws that all support the 2A. And all of which is supported by the NRA.

If anything, there are many gun owners who are currently upset at many gun manufacturers for what they see as price gouging and rising costs. Not to mention putting out a lower-quality product (I'm looking at you, Freedom Group and Remington), and charging people way too much for it.
 
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Just because you seen this on a few sites doesn't mean it's true. He was at one time a registered independent and nobody knows what he's registered as now. A Republican would never be caught dead at the Democratic Convention but he was there... So no one really knows what his political affiliation is. There are many sites that say he's politically ambiguous.

I'm willing to bet he's probably a moderate of sorts. He did give a speech at a RNC during the Bush Administration, but I can't remember which one specifically, or what year he gave it.
 
What about the one that's like Craigslist?

https://www.armslist.com

They put people in connection with each other to sell firearms with no background checks.

I did a private sale through Armslist once. It DOES require that you have a little common sense and knowledge of gun culture before you just go on there and start buying shit.

I sold a S&W 642 Airweight to a guy up North about 3 or 4 years ago, and it was a very pleasant experience. I made him sign a bill of sale, I required that he show me his Driver's License and CWP, and we both met in a public parking lot. We had a good conversation about guns, did our transaction, and parted ways.

Now, the laws in Washington (and Oregon, for that matter) have actually enabled Gun Stores and hurt private citizens. All because Bloomberg and MomsDemandAction/Newtown have forwarded the MYTH that private sales are for criminals and mass murderers.....despite the fact that NO mass killing in this country has ever been committed with a firearm that was bought through a private sale.

If only Liberals actually STUDIED this topic, they would know this.
 
For the next four years you conservatives aren't going to have liberals to blame. The blame for the fucked up shit that's going to happen in the next four years will be placed squarely on the shoulders of your punk ass party. Republicans fucking suck just like Democrats do both of those Institutions should die fiery deaths. That is all at 1:51 a.m.
"It's Bush's fault" was all we heard for at least 6 years of Obama, but sure. Republicans really shouldn't make excuses, and they should produce. Or else.
 
.....despite the fact that NO mass killing in this country has ever been committed with a firearm that was bought through a private sale.
I just looked this up....from 1982-2012 48 mass killings with legally purchased firearms....12 with illegal and 3 unknown...if liberals took the time to actually look this shit up eh?
 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/25/politics/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-president-campaign/

The story, from the conservative Independent Journal, uses Instagram photos from Johnson's personal account to jokingly lay out his campaign advantages, featuring him doing everything from pumping iron to volunteering.

Johnson is a Republican and has also engaged in some political comedy, reprising his "Saturday Night Live" character "The Rock Obama" last year. In the sketch, Johnson portrays the angry version of President Barack Obama, punishing the famously even-keel President's opponents.

http://ijr.com/2016/03/565994-rock-...-newsletter&utm_medium=owned&utm_source=email
 
The Rock seems like a republican, he's Arnie's buddy...he's also got Canadian citizenship through his father and was raised between New Zealand, Hawaii and California...duel citizenship dude...Canadian president...now that's a thought
 
I just looked this up....from 1982-2012 48 mass killings with legally purchased firearms....12 with illegal and 3 unknown...if liberals took the time to actually look this shit up eh?

And where does that say that they were committed with guns bought through PRIVATE SALES?
 
Lol i dont care enough to? There are tons of websites who have stated it as fact.

I dont care enough to argue with you much now anyways because im in cancun.

You're in Cancun? Dude WTF are you doing online now? :blink:

After downing 5-7 Pacificos with lemon, I'd have my face in some Latin lady's cleaveage...
 
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And where does that say that they were committed with guns bought through PRIVATE SALES?
I AM THE NEWS....unfiltered, non corrupted, honest reporting...look no further...I can't be bought for less than a qtr million..for that kinda scratch I'll go full on mags
 

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