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illmatic99 said:
He turned stauskas into rodney hood.

Gabriel might be something.

Seth Curry was a massive addition.
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he turned the salary of Stauskas plus Wade Baldwin plus two send round picks into Hood. But that Stauskas salary could have been invested in a better player to start with

Curry was not signed with a vet minimum deal. He and Gary Trent were signed using parts of the MLE (Blazers used the MLE on Trent so they could sign him for 3 years, IIRC)
 
wizenheimer said:
he turned the salary of Stauskas plus Wade Baldwin plus two send round picks into Hood. But that Stauskas salary could have been invested in a better player to start with

Curry was not signed with a vet minimum deal. He and Gary Trent were signed using parts of the MLE (Blazers used the MLE on Trent so they could sign him for 3 years, IIRC)
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this is the definition of pedantic given the premise of this thread about bargain hunting
 
illmatic99 said:
this is the definition of pedantic given the premise of this thread about bargain hunting
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huh?

wizenheimer said:
there are always fairly decent players who sign for vet minimums every off-season. Olshey managed to avoid all of them when he signed Tolliver and Hezonja. Didn't do much better the year before with Stauskas. Melo may have been a one off

so, the vet minimum bargain bin is one bin he's not been very good at rummaging thru
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I was explicitly talking about one tool, the vet minimum exception, and I did so right after Rasta mentioned Rondo playing for the vet minimum; and that was the post you quoted

and if you care to withdraw the "pedantic" charge and look a little further back in this thread, you'll find a post of mine where I specifically mentioned Curry as part of general bargain shopping, even though he signed with Portland for a similar salary to his previous one
 
I would target two bargain basement players splitting our MLE between Michael Carter Williams because he is the backup PG we have been sorely needing and can defend both guard positions and Nerlens Noel as our backup big because he protects the paint and is athletic enough to get out on stretch bigs.
 
blazerkor said:
I would target two bargain basement players splitting our MLE between Michael Carter Williams because he is the backup PG we have been sorely needing and can defend both guard positions and Nerlens Noel as our backup big because he protects the paint and is athletic enough to get out on stretch bigs.
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Good luck with that!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
More on Isaac Bonga - he seems to make a big impact in very limited minutes. If we were ready to give up on Anfernee, the Wizards would probably swap Bonga for him, and I think that might be a swap that benefits both teams.
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Sort of seems like a slightly-richer-man's Wenyen Gabriel. But I say you can't have too many Wenyen Gabriels!
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Don’t know much about him but loved what I saw from him. I think having him as a backup to Ariza or whoever will be our starting SF is this year will be valuable. Then come time his new contract starts in the 2021-2022 season, we could throw him into the starting lineup in his year 4, or year 5 if we have to. I think year 4 is probably where we should expect the big leap.

I really do believe in Simons still, but being on a team where they aren’t expected to win might be best for him, especially if Beal is traded. With a really high possibility that all of S.Bey, Williams, Neismith, and Vassel being gone by #16, I would be on board with drafting Anthony to replace whatever potential Simons had on the team. Anthony is certainly a scorer and has the potential to be that third guard that we hope Simons will be.

Props to you for this one
 
In regards to bacup PG, I'd have to take another look at the exact substitution patterns, but I think some of our struggles could be alleviated if we swapped the early substitution times of Dame and CJ. Usually CJ sits end of 1st, and Dame sits beginning of the 2nd. I'd love to see Dame start the game, establish a rhythym, then get a break towards end of 1, and come back at beginning of 2 with the bench unit the way CJ usually does. Let CJ attack at end of 1, but with a few starters potentially out there.
Basically, Dame should get the bench PG minutes, CJ should have to have either Nurk or Dame out there with him always.
 
RR7 said:
In regards to bacup PG, I'd have to take another look at the exact substitution patterns, but I think some of our struggles could be alleviated if we swapped the early substitution times of Dame and CJ. Usually CJ sits end of 1st, and Dame sits beginning of the 2nd. I'd love to see Dame start the game, establish a rhythym, then get a break towards end of 1, and come back at beginning of 2 with the bench unit the way CJ usually does. Let CJ attack at end of 1, but with a few starters potentially out there.
Basically, Dame should get the bench PG minutes, CJ should have to have either Nurk or Dame out there with him always.
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it would be interesting to see some variance of the substitution patterns, I agree. If only to see if something can work better. I'd also wonder if some variance might keep players better engaged

I'm guessing Stotts wants Dame in some kind of rhythm to close out the last 6 minutes of the 1st half and the 4th Q. Unfortunately, too many times this season Stotts had to rush Dame back in the game early in the 4thQ. I'm not sure a typical backup PG would have solved that
 
blazerkor said:
I would target two bargain basement players splitting our MLE between Michael Carter Williams because he is the backup PG we have been sorely needing and can defend both guard positions and Nerlens Noel as our backup big because he protects the paint and is athletic enough to get out on stretch bigs.
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Plenty of C available for vet minimum.

I would target the best full MLE free agent max 4 years first instead of splitting it. Ideally a big wing like Jeremi Grant although now he probably makes too much. Would Dragic sign for full MLE? Probably not but he would form our best guard rotation since Ainge.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Plenty of C available for vet minimum.

I would target the best full MLE free agent max 4 years first instead of splitting it. Ideally a big wing like Jeremi Grant although now he probably makes too much. Would Dragic sign for full MLE? Probably not but he would form our best guard rotation since Ainge.
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I would freaking love to have Dragić. He would transform our bench into a monsters. Imagine him with Trent, Hood, and Collins off of the bench. But he probably will sign some kind of one year deal with the heat. But maybe Nurkic and Hezonja are recruiting him hard
 
damianlillard said:
I would freaking love to have Dragić. He would transform our bench into a monsters. Imagine him with Trent, Hood, and Collins off of the bench. But he probably will sign some kind of one year deal with the heat. But maybe Nurkic and Hezonja are recruiting him hard
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I'm sure we could get Zoran Dragic if we wanted.
 
damianlillard said:
I would freaking love to have Dragić. He would transform our bench into a monsters. Imagine him with Trent, Hood, and Collins off of the bench. But he probably will sign some kind of one year deal with the heat. But maybe Nurkic and Hezonja are recruiting him hard
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If Hezonja gets Dragic here he'd go from Neil worst bargain addition to one of his best.
 
You all are JOKING about getting Dragic... right? I mean, you do know how important he is to the Heat?
 
I just want this season over and done with so, hopefully, a better roster can be constructed.

Me?? Zero hope for that and next season successes. A few teams would be interested in CJ but I think we wouldn't get a net positive return. Only REAL trade value Portland has is Dame. Nobody wants a guy like Nurkic, I love him but bigs without speed and real altheticism, or 3 pt shooting (Nards!) aren't valued unless its a unicorn like Jokic. Portland is in a bad position. Feel the worst for Dame who only is getting older. Maybe 3 years, maybe, of godlike Dame. Thanks Neil. Those awful contracts...

You watch a team like Miami in awe compared to Portland's iso ball. Iso is great for a last shot at the half but isn't efficient enough to go the distance as any Blazer fan can attest. That covers Stoffence, as for the Tefence, that's a whole nother shitshow.
 
For backup PG, I’d be okay with Shabazz Napier back. Knows the offense and is a feisty defender
 
Cugel said:
I just want this season over and done with so, hopefully, a better roster can be constructed.

Me?? Zero hope for that and next season successes. A few teams would be interested in CJ but I think we wouldn't get a net positive return. Only REAL trade value Portland has is Dame. Nobody wants a guy like Nurkic, I love him but bigs without speed and real altheticism, or 3 pt shooting (Nards!) aren't valued unless its a unicorn like Jokic. Portland is in a bad position. Feel the worst for Dame who only is getting older. Maybe 3 years, maybe, of godlike Dame. Thanks Neil. Those awful contracts...

You watch a team like Miami in awe compared to Portland's iso ball. Iso is great for a last shot at the half but isn't efficient enough to go the distance as any Blazer fan can attest. That covers Stoffence, as for the Tefence, that's a whole nother shitshow.
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Oh boy is this post gonna trend.....
 
What happened to Stanley Johnson? Remember the draft when he and Justise Winslow were supposed to be competing for who would be the star SF of the next decade? How come both of them flamed out? Now Johnson's a FA. I wonder if Toronto want to keep him.

EDIT: I see somebody else asking the same question:
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What happened to Stanley Johnson? Remember the draft when he and Justise Winslow were supposed to be competing for who would be the star SF of the next decade? How come both of them flamed out? Now Johnson's a FA. I wonder if Toronto want to keep him.

EDIT: I see somebody else asking the same question:
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I’ll take wings who can’t shoot for 2000, Alex.
 
B-Roy said:
For backup PG, I’d be okay with Shabazz Napier back. Knows the offense and is a feisty defender
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It's kind of interesting how he's been on 5 different teams in 6 years, including the 2 years he spent in Portland.

Perhaps not coincidentally, he shot from three point range over those years:

36%
32%
37% Portland
38% Portland
33%
31%

In his last season with us, he played 1500 minutes (by far his career high) and even started 10 games.

He's not a very good backup point guard if he can't hit threes. Which he seems to be able to do here. He seemed reasonably competent when we had him as a backup PG. He's still only 28.

We've had success in the past with boomeranging point guards (Steve Blake, Rod Strickland). Dame likes him.

I think he's exactly the kind of bargain bin guy we'd target. And by "target", I mean target like we did Stauskas or Tolliver. Pick up off the floor and blow the dust off and throw a very, very small amount at.
 
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B-Roy said:
For backup PG, I’d be okay with Shabazz Napier back. Knows the offense and is a feisty defender
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I dunno - that would depress me a little. I'd like to find somebody who could become something better. And besides, I think Jaylen Adams was signed with an eye to the future. (But mainly because he didn't do anything in the present: contrast with the Suns' bubble signee Cameron Payne.)
 
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