Norm Powell Contract

[Hoopguru]

Fischer is saying:

- Overwhelming sense Norm re-signs with the Blazers
- Lucrative deal
- Possibly 3 year structure

Interesting since everyone has been talking about a 4 year structure. Will be interesting to see if Fischer nails this prediction.

I have Powell sign a huge three year deal a week ago or so.

Dallas gets CJ for Porz
Sign Powell to 27m py 3 year
Leaf stays
Melo Kanter gone
Sign one other bench vet

 

[Scalma]

Sure.....just get ready for Melo's return! CJs wife went to graduate school in NYC so he spent offseasons there working out...she's graduated now and married to him so that's not why he's in NYC this time around. He might just love the place.

I would be shocked if Melo was re-signed, probably even angry.

 

[riverman]

I would be shocked if Melo was re-signed, probably even angry.

I listened to him interview Cuban yesterday and he didn't sound like anything had changed...Cuban mentioned how they both lost long time coaches this offseason...

 

[Scalma]

I listened to him interview Cuban yesterday and he didn't sound like anything had changed...Cuban mentioned how they both lost long time coaches this offseason...

I think you’re in for a surprise man.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think the Blazers overvalue CJ. He’s basically an aging crafty scorer. We might have to settle for what we can get to balance the roster.

I’d do a CJ for Tobias Harris (of course filler involved). But even then I’m not sure the Sixers would bite.

agree, we have overvalued him. I look at him as the same tier as Gordon from Houston.

 

[B-Roy]

agree, we have overvalued him. I look at him as the same tier as Gordon from Houston.

ERIC Gordon? If that's his value we are not getting anything for him.

 

[riverman]

I think you’re in for a surprise man.

nothing surprises me but paying Norm we need cheap bench contracts and Melo is value for the dollar in my view..he also played with Chauncey and they're close..

 

[Hoopguru]

ERIC Gordon? If that's his value we are not getting anything for him.

yep, basically a volume shooter that isn't getting any younger. CJ will transition to a six man or off the bench guy eventually like Gordon too.

 

[B-Roy]

yep, basically a volume shooter that isn't getting any younger. CJ will transition to a six man or off the bench guy eventually like Gordon too.

Gordon is being paid a lot less than CJ though. If teams view these two players on the same tier it's obvious who they would choose.

 

[MickZagger]

agree, we have overvalued him. I look at him as the same tier as Gordon from Houston.

Yep. Took me too long to realize it and accept it because I really like CJ the person and how he carries himself. But he’s a 6th man and who is crafty at scoring and if his shot ain’t falling he’s a detriment on the court because he brings nothing else and is a liability defensively.

We waited about 4 years too late to start considering trades for him. To think at some point that back court combo could take us to the next level is just a piss poor job by Olshey. There was probably a point in time where we could’ve landed a star type talent for him. That day has long passed.

 

[riverman]

If I trade CJ I want DeRozan and Mills in a deal with the Spurs...whatever you package with CJ to do that I like...If I keep CJ he's going to be a 6 man like Lindsay Hunter or Jason Terry

 

[MickZagger]

If I trade CJ I want DeRozan and Mills in a deal with the Spurs...whatever you package with CJ to do that I like...If I keep CJ he's going to be a 6 man like Lindsay Hunter or Jason Terry

I’d like CJ for DeRozan too. But why would the Spurs do it? DeRozan is better, younger, way better defensively etc…

Edit: I guess CJ is younger

 

[Hoopguru]

I’d like CJ for DeRozan too. But why would the Spurs do it? DeRozan is better, younger, way better defensively etc…

Edit: I guess CJ is younger

Derozen would compliment Dame's game imo.

 

[B-Roy]

Derozen would compliment Dame's game imo.

Until you get to the playoffs, and the ball is in Dame's hands. And DeRozen is sitting in the corner with no one guarding him.

 

[MickZagger]

Derozen would compliment Dame's game imo.

Oh without a doubt!

I just don’t think the Spurs would ever entertain an offer if the main components are CJ for DeRozan

I’d love to have DeRozan playing for us.

 

[riverman]

I’d like CJ for DeRozan too. But why would the Spurs do it? DeRozan is better, younger, way better defensively etc…

Edit: I guess CJ is younger

Spurs need offense

 

[riverman]

DeRozan is super close with Dame as well...has been for years...I think for Dame he moves the needle and he's gettable for CJ and change....I really want Mills as a 6 man

 

[boredinsalem]

I like the thought of Derozan and he's never played with a shooter like Dame before. I think we'd open shit up for him quite a bit, plus he's a better playmaker than CJ.

One thing others have repeated: if we do a sign n trade for Derozan w/SA it hard caps us. Is that true? What are the implications? Does timing affect that?

I think Dame/Norm/Roco/Derozan/Nurkic is a nasty starting line up, we'd want to add a lot of defenders/shooters off the bench though.

 

[riverman]

I like the thought of Derozan and he's never played with a shooter like Dame before. I think we'd open shit up for him quite a bit, plus he's a better playmaker than CJ.

One thing others have repeated: if we do a sign n trade for Derozan w/SA it hard caps us. Is that true? What are the implications? Does timing affect that?

I think Dame/Norm/Roco/Derozan/Nurkic is a nasty starting line up, we'd want to add a lot of defenders/shooters off the bench though.

I think CJ Elleby is going to make a leap this season and hopefully we have a young bench that can run second units out of the gym....

 

[wizenheimer]

One thing others have repeated: if we do a sign n trade for Derozan w/SA it hard caps us. Is that true? What are the implications? Does timing affect that?

next season's hard cap will be in the 141-142M range

and here is approximately Portland's current situation:

Damian Lillard $39,344,900
CJ McCollum $30,864,198
Robert Covington $12,975,471
Jusuf Nurkic $12,000,000
Derrick Jones $9,720,900
Anfernee Simons $3,938,818
Andrew Nicholson (W) $2,844,429
Nassir Little $2,316,240
CJ Elleby $1,517,981

that's about 117M for 8 players

say Powell re-signs for 20M (low?). The Blazers are then 4-5M below the hard-cap line with only 9 players. If somehow, the Blazers could trade CJ for a S&T Derozan for 20M/year. Then Portland is about 14-15M below the hard cap with 10 players. Brown signs for the minimum and the Blazers use their tax-MLE on somebody like Batum. And they are still 7-8M below the hard-cap with 12 players. So, that's doable

problem is a straight CJ for DeRozan swap would either require another Spurs player or DeRozan to be signed for 25M....CBA rules

I might have all that wrong though

 

[blazerkor]

Hey guys, DeRozan would be a sign and trade... you don't have to give anything close to equal value for a player in a sign and trade. So the Spurs would have to add value. That being said the guy doesn't shoot the three. With him and Nurk our floor spacing wouldn't be great. Our defense would and if that's where we wanted to hang out hat then maybe this is a smart target. I guess it would depend on what was coming with him.

 

[B-Roy]

next season's hard cap will be in the 141-142M range

and here is approximately Portland's current situation:

Damian Lillard $39,344,900
CJ McCollum $30,864,198
Robert Covington $12,975,471
Jusuf Nurkic $12,000,000
Derrick Jones $9,720,900
Anfernee Simons $3,938,818
Andrew Nicholson (W) $2,844,429
Nassir Little $2,316,240
CJ Elleby $1,517,981

that's about 117M for 8 players

say Powell re-signs for 20M (low?). The Blazers are then 4-5M below the hard-cap line with only 9 players. If somehow, the Blazers could trade CJ for a S&T Derozan for 20M/year. Then Portland is about 14-15M below the hard cap with 10 players. Brown signs for the minimum and the Blazers use their tax-MLE on somebody like Batum. And they are still 7-8M below the hard-cap with 12 players. So, that's doable

problem is a straight CJ for DeRozan swap would either require another Spurs player or DeRozan to be signed for 25M....CBA rules

I might have all that wrong though

I've gone through many DeRozan S&T scenarios.

Unless he's taking a significant paycut to come to the BLAZERS (of all teams), there's almost no way it's possible with the hard cap. Especially now with the reports that Powell's figure may be even higher.

 

[blazerkor]

yep, basically a volume shooter that isn't getting any younger. CJ will transition to a six man or off the bench guy eventually like Gordon too.

Have you looked at their numbers? Have you watched Gordon play and also have you watched him not play, the guy is never healthy. When healthy Gordon is not as good of a shooter as CJ... check the stats... he doesn't have CJ's handle and he just isn't as good but none of that matters because CJ has been durable and Gordon is one of the most injury prone players in the league. Oh and when Gordon wasn't he was highly valued.

I feel like you made an off handed comment that you didn't expect people to check you on because Gordon's visibility to a passive fan has been obscured by his injuries but he's never had a season that was anything like what CJ puts up year in and year out. The seasons where he's had the efficiency of CJ he hasn't had the production and the rest of his career he hasn't shot close to as well as CJ.

 

[calvin natt]

Browsing Powell/Bkazers on Twitter and found this interesting:
https://twitter.com/jasonhirsch16/status/1418465711719071746?s=21

Uhhh there aren’t 513 players in the league.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I’d like CJ for DeRozan too. But why would the Spurs do it? DeRozan is better, younger, way better defensively etc…

Edit: I guess CJ is younger

I remember when CJ for Derozan like 4 years was talked about and everyone got crucified for saying that. They all thought CJ had more value.

Pretty sure most here would do that deal in a second now.

 

[MickZagger]

I remember when CJ for Derozan like 4 years was talked about and everyone got crucified for saying that. They all thought CJ had more value.

Pretty sure most here would do that deal in a second now.

Yep. I’ve always kind of followed DeRozan. When he’s fully engaged he’s a top 10 offensive player.

 

[Hoopguru]

Have you looked at their numbers? Have you watched Gordon play and also have you watched him not play, the guy is never healthy. When healthy Gordon is not as good of a shooter as CJ... check the stats... he doesn't have CJ's handle and he just isn't as good but none of that matters because CJ has been durable and Gordon is one of the most injury prone players in the league. Oh and when Gordon wasn't he was highly valued.

I feel like you made an off handed comment that you didn't expect people to check you on because Gordon's visibility to a passive fan has been obscured by his injuries but he's never had a season that was anything like what CJ puts up year in and year out. The seasons where he's had the efficiency of CJ he hasn't had the production and the rest of his career he hasn't shot close to as well as CJ.

i did look at stats and did know that CJ had the better stats. Gordon is a streaky shooter but can take over a game like CJ. When Harden was out and he started he played decent can get hot.
Yep he’s been injured more for sure.
Ive always felt CJ is a volume shooter which is what many two guards do but his D and lack of getting to the line like he should makes him an average overall guard in today’s league.
Imo, levine is a notch netter than CJ

 

[JDC]

Uhhh there aren’t 513 players in the league.

I'm sure 513 played at some point...

But regardless, he was bad for large swaths of year but not that bad.

 

[blazerkor]

I remember when CJ for Derozan like 4 years was talked about and everyone got crucified for saying that. They all thought CJ had more value.

Pretty sure most here would do that deal in a second now.

First of all as @B-Roy pointed out, any sign and trade would hard cap us. That being said I wouldn't do that deal. DeRozan can't shoot the ball and he doesn't have the upside or the elite other skills of a Simmons. He's a really good defender and he is good at getting to the hoop and he's a good passer but not elite. So I'd need something more back for him. It's a moot point though because we can't do a sign and trade with our cap situation.

 

[JDC]

Powell is worth like Jordan Clarkson type money, but he's going to get more than that unfortunately.

Norm is a fine player, but his box score stats overrate him and isn't a great fit with us unless we get a creator at the three or the four, and even at that point I don't think we are some serious contender.

I understand not wanting him to walk for nothing, but the biggest appeal for me bringing him back is having another large contract to trade down the line.