Norm Powell Contract

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
illmatic99 said:
He is unrestricted and will be a Bird exception. Thought we aren't allowed to officially communicate with him. But it's naiive to assume that we haven't already.
Click to expand...
Yes not officially, but I’m pretty sure we can talk to him now. Technically we can’t negotiate with other teams free agents.

But either way, everyone knows free agency has already begun.

My suspicion is the lack of chatter regarding Norm for any teams is because he’s already off the market.
 
Count me as maybe the only one that doesn’t necessarily care if Powell leaves. I know it would mean losing Trent for “nothing” but it would’ve been the same problem with him, and paying 15m+ for a bench player isn’t dope, been there done that.

I want length at the three. So unless we’re trading CJ were gonna have the same issues. I’m kinda tired of getting worked on the boards as well, and that’s one of the keys to a good defense.

Also I’m pretty sure the team would have the full MLE to use if he did leave. That puts you in the mix for a lot better players than the tax MLE.

So ideally we would trade CJ and keep Powell. But one of them has to go imo.
 
Last edited:
Scalma said:
Count me as maybe the only one that doesn’t necessarily care if Powell leaves. I know it would mean losing Trent for “nothing” but it would’ve been the same problem with him and paying 15m+ for a bench player isn’t dope, been there done that.

I want length at the three. So unless we’re trading CJ were gonna have the same issues. I’m kinda tired of getting worked on the boards as well, and that’s one of the keys to a good defense.

Also I’m pretty sure the team would have the full MLE to use if he did leave. That puts you in the mix for a lot better players than the tax MLE. Length is valued.
Click to expand...
Regardless of fit or anything else we would want to re-sign Norm because he will have far more trade value than the 4M difference between the taxpayer and full MLE. Hopefully we wouldn't be trading Norm and would be trading CJ. The fact is that Dame gave the team a mandate to improve and if Norm walks we will definitely be moving backwards.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
@speeds what did you think of Trent Jr?
Click to expand...
GTJ played in Portland for most of three seasons and came to Toronto and was still the youngest player on the team. Toronto is going to give him a three year extension (something like $51MM) in hopes that he's going to improve a lot in their system and become a top-flight sixth man or possibly a long term starting shooting guard. Toronto's "type" right now is tall, plays hard defence, and can move the ball. GTJ is tall enough, it's the other two areas where he stands to improve. He's a streaky scorer like Powell was. They need like 16-18ppg from him this year whether he starts or not. I don't think they would've traded for him if they didn't think he could get there.
 
speeds said:
GTJ played in Portland for most of three seasons and came to Toronto and was still the youngest player on the team. Toronto is going to give him a three year extension (something like $51MM) in hopes that he's going to improve a lot in their system and become a top-flight sixth man or possibly a long term starting shooting guard. Toronto's "type" right now is tall, plays hard defence, and can move the ball. GTJ is tall enough, it's the other two areas where he stands to improve. He's a streaky scorer like Powell was. They need like 16-18ppg from him this year whether he starts or not. I don't think they would've traded for him if they didn't think he could get there.
Click to expand...
We offered Trent a $52 mill extension last year and he turned it down.
 
speeds said:
GTJ played in Portland for most of three seasons and came to Toronto and was still the youngest player on the team. Toronto is going to give him a three year extension (something like $51MM) in hopes that he's going to improve a lot in their system and become a top-flight sixth man or possibly a long term starting shooting guard. Toronto's "type" right now is tall, plays hard defence, and can move the ball. GTJ is tall enough, it's the other two areas where he stands to improve. He's a streaky scorer like Powell was. They need like 16-18ppg from him this year whether he starts or not. I don't think they would've traded for him if they didn't think he could get there.
Click to expand...
Subtext: "yeah, he's not great, but we're going to throw money at him and see if that helps."
 
SlyPokerCat said:
If we let Powell go for nothing just trade Dame. Seriously. That would be a big blow to the talent on our team.
Click to expand...
Remember what Olshey did last time a big free agent (Aldridge) left? The term "bloodbath" springs to mind.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Subtext: "yeah, he's not great, but we're going to throw money at him and see if that helps."
Click to expand...
Money and a player development team that is near the best in the league.
 
Before we traded Trent Jr he went 12 games shooting 22% from the field....pretty long slump and he doesn't finish well at the rim, rebound or pass very well...sure he's young. I was glad we let him move on...he has a motor and youth...maybe Toronto can make him a rotation player...Norm is much more of a two way player than Gary
 
Last edited:
riverman said:
Before we traded Trent Jr he went 12 weeks shooting 22% from the field....pretty long slump and he doesn't finish well at the rim, rebound or pass very well...sure he's young. I was glad we let him move on...he has a motor and youth...maybe Toronto can make him a rotation player...Norm is much more of a two way player than Gary
Click to expand...

huh?

these were his splits last year:


upload_2021-7-31_9-34-55.png

12 weeks would have been his full season in Portland
 
wizenheimer said:
huh?

these were his splits last year:


View attachment 39966

12 weeks would have been his full season in Portland
Click to expand...
Michael Holton talked about it when we traded him....maybe I'm misquoting him but he had a long shooting slump from my own recollection...otherwise why would we have traded him having his bird rights? I heard that on the radio broadcast ...but as to your stat sheet...maybe Holton was talking about 12 games..not 12 weeks...if so my bad...I don't see where you got that spreadsheet though....where do you find your stat sheets? Real GM? At any rate Trent didn't play well enough when CJ went down to pay him Norm money in my view...I wrote the 22% down in my notepad when he said it and noticed it the other day....I'm sure it was 12 games not 12 weeks so I changed that in my original post...good catch
 
Last edited:
Fischer is saying:

- Overwhelming sense Norm re-signs with the Blazers
- Lucrative deal
- Possibly 3 year structure

Interesting since everyone has been talking about a 4 year structure. Will be interesting to see if Fischer nails this prediction.
 
B-Roy said:
Fischer is saying:

- Overwhelming sense Norm re-signs with the Blazers
- Lucrative deal
- Possibly 3 year structure

Interesting since everyone has been talking about a 4 year structure. Will be interesting to see if Fischer nails this prediction.
Click to expand...
I was expecting a 3+1 to align with Dames deal
 
Norm hasn't been working with CJ Elleby all off season for nothing....I think that was a signal he was all in in Portland.
 
riverman said:
Michael Holton talked about it when we traded him....maybe I'm misquoting him but he had a long shooting slump from my own recollection...otherwise why would we have traded him having his bird rights? I heard that on the radio broadcast ...but as to your stat sheet...maybe Holton was talking about 12 games..not 12 weeks...if so my bad...I don't see where you got that spreadsheet though....where do you find your stat sheets? Real GM? At any rate Trent didn't play well enough when CJ went down to pay him Norm money in my view
Click to expand...

Trent is a streaky shooter for sure, and he's had bad 2 or 3 game stretches. But not 12 games, at least not this season:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/trentga02/gamelog/2021

and the Splits Sheet I used was here:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/trentga02/splits/2021

you can find those links for all players on their main BBREF pages in the drop-down menus

as for why Olshey traded him, I'd say Powell is a better player and Powell's age fits a lot better into Dame's timeline. I'd also think Olshey was really worried about getting trapped in another 'Crabbe' situation with a toxic offer sheet to a RFA. May have felt that Powell's offers would not come in so high over his value as would Trent's
 
B-Roy said:
Fischer is saying:

- Overwhelming sense Norm re-signs with the Blazers
- Lucrative deal
- Possibly 3 year structure

Interesting since everyone has been talking about a 4 year structure. Will be interesting to see if Fischer nails this prediction.
Click to expand...

Great news! Means most likely CJ is as good as gone IMO
 
Please let it mean CJ is gone please (don’t just trade him to trade him tho of course)
 
Well if you believe Fischer, then CJ is likely not gone. He said both teams (Raptors/Blazers) see Norm and GTJ as 2/3 wings that can maybe even guard 4s, so there's no either or situation with having CJ + GTJ or CJ + Norm. But the trade talks with Siakam/CJ have gone nowhere. It sounds more like run it back for Portland....
 
B-Roy said:
Well if you believe Fischer, then CJ is likely not gone. He said both teams (Raptors/Blazers) see Norm and GTJ as 2/3 wings that can maybe even guard 4s, so there's no either or situation with having CJ + GTJ or CJ + Norm. But the trade talks with Siakam/CJ have gone nowhere. It sounds more like run it back for Portland....
Click to expand...
Ugh. I dont like this thinking but I also dont want to lose Powell for nothing. Can try to trade one of the two for a bigger dudes at the deadline I suppose.
 
I think the Blazers overvalue CJ. He’s basically an aging crafty scorer. We might have to settle for what we can get to balance the roster.

I’d do a CJ for Tobias Harris (of course filler involved). But even then I’m not sure the Sixers would bite.
 
Scalma said:
Doesn’t really mean much. They both spend their offseasons in NYC.
Click to expand...
Sure.....just get ready for Melo's return! CJs wife went to graduate school in NYC so he spent offseasons there working out...she's graduated now and married to him so that's not why he's in NYC this time around. He might just love the place.
 
I think the first thing Fischer said about the Blazers this off-season was the bit about how the Becky Hammon reference check did not come back very good. I think I even laughed at the time why someone in the Blazers FO would leak this to him, but now I think he genuinely knows someone who works for the Blazers has at least some level of understanding of the Blazers thought process.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top