Nurk and RoCo made available in trade talks

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Mr. Robot said:
there is not a single evidence that nurk is unhappy with chauncey billups

jason quick wrote an article a few weeks ago and said there is one player who hasnt bought it and he specifically mentioned it isnt nurk and nurk & chauncey have relationship from denver and nurk was always happy that chauncey was our new head coach, so im not really sure why people think its nurk who doesnt like chauncey, even more so given nurk is having a career year, which is not something youd expect to see from a player who is not happy with his head coach
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The one person not bought in is RoCo. Confirmed through multiple avenues.
 
Nurk Deserves better - WTF

Nurk is proving he is a whiney little bitch ( if we believe the rumors of desent in the Blazer locker room ) but his past is making me think more likely then not it COULD be true

Nurk can go pound sand and RoCo not sure the issue with him is maybe just a bad fit for Billups system and that is a shame I really do like RoCo but this team needs change and ASAP so open to these two being dealt
 
Pretty much standard operating procedure around here with respect to any Blazers rumors:

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julius said:
It's not like having a 30 million player as the 6th man makes any difference vs him starting. It still counts the same.

The only thing that matters is wins.
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yeah, and CJ's really contributed at a high rate to wins. His average winshares/48 over his career is .105. That would rank 94th this season and 92nd last season (48th). The highest he's ever ranked is 48th. Yet, he ranks 13th in FGA/game this season, and 14th last season. And 28th in salary this season.

The problem isn't CJ as a starter or as a 6th man. The problem is CJ and CJ's salary as option 1b on the same team as Dame. Moving him to 6th man isn't going to solve the problem
 
wizenheimer said:
spending nearly 1/3 of the salary cap for a 6th man doesn't make much sense. It's not a formula for contending, IMO...just more purgatory

Lou Williams won three 6th-man-of-the-year awards and he averaged less than 7M/year when he won them. CJ averages 33M, nearly 5 times as much

there have been a ton of logical contortions over the last 6 years trying to justify CJ's role on the team. The reality is that CJ, his contract, & Olshey's blind passion for CJ, have been the biggest roadblocks to Portland taking the next step. That doesn't change because Olshey is gone. As long as CJ is hogging all the shots and salary cap he is, there's not enough air in the room for a better player
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CJ is not going to get you an all star caliber player to help Dame. There is only player that could be attainable as that team need's another guard to share the ball with their ball hog pg. Yep Dallas. CJ for Porzingis straight across works. Neither fits their current teams real well but would if this trade would happen. Nurks going to be gone and we need a big that can score down low and play both 4/5.
 
Hoopguru said:
CJ is not going to get you an all star caliber player to help Dame. There is only player that could be attainable as that team need's another guard to share the ball with their ball hog pg. Yep Dallas. CJ for Porzingis straight across works. Neither fits their current teams real well but would if this trade would happen. Nurks going to be gone and we need a big that can score down low and play both 4/5.
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If trading for Prozingis need to upgrade to a dominant defensive big to play along side him because he is a turnstile on defense.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, and CJ's really contributed at a high rate to wins. His average winshares/48 over his career is .105. That would rank 94th this season and 92nd last season (48th). The highest he's ever ranked is 48th. Yet, he ranks 13th in FGA/game this season, and 14th last season. And 28th in salary this season.

The problem isn't CJ as a starter or as a 6th man. The problem is CJ and CJ's salary as option 1b on the same team as Dame. Moving him to 6th man isn't going to solve the problem
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If the problem is money...but the problem now is losing...making that roster shift could make us a better balanced team with length at the 3 in the starting unit...we might not dig the early holes we've been digging all season so far....it's an option but not going to save you any money sure....that's a given...teams will be more likely to trade for CJs contract when he only has a year left on it in my view
 
Hoopguru said:
CJ is not going to get you an all star caliber player to help Dame. There is only player that could be attainable as that team need's another guard to share the ball with their ball hog pg. Yep Dallas. CJ for Porzingis straight across works. Neither fits their current teams real well but would if this trade would happen. Nurks going to be gone and we need a big that can score down low and play both 4/5.
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I'm beginning to come around on this one, cuz I think you might be right; not a whole lot of other teams that fit. How about CJ and Nurk for Porzingis and Kleber? That's two bigs who have averaged about .360 on threes over their careers.
 
riverman said:
If the problem is money...but the problem now is losing...making that roster shift could make us a better balanced team with length at the 3 in the starting unit...we might not dig the early holes we've been digging all season so far....it's an option but not going to save you any money sure....that's a given...teams will be more likely to trade for CJs contract when he only has a year left on it in my view
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don't get me wrong...I've said for quite a while that CJ would be better as a 6th man. But he should have a contract about like Norm's....about 15M less a year than it is

moving CJ to the bench doesn't increase roster length an inch. Doesn't add a spec of flexibility. If the Blazers give up, stupidly, on trying to trade CJ till he has an expiring contract they should just give up across the board and tear it all down now
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm beginning to come around on this one, cuz I think you might be right; not a whole lot of other teams that fit. How about CJ and Nurk for Porzingis and Kleber? That's two bigs who have averaged about .360 on threes over their careers.
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Here is a note on Kleber from a couple years ago: "Kleber is a shot-blocking menace and has proven he can step out and switch on to every position down to point guard. He was the third-most “versatile” defender on the Mavericks in 2018-19, according to stats wiz Krishna Narsu, based on a metric that gauges how often a player defends a position other than his own." https://www.mavs.com/maxi-klebers-standout-second-season-proved-hes-a-dynamic-defender/
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm beginning to come around on this one, cuz I think you might be right; not a whole lot of other teams that fit. How about CJ and Nurk for Porzingis and Kleber? That's two bigs who have averaged about .360 on threes over their careers.
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Dame and Porzingis P&R would be more effective than Dame and Nurk. And he has much better touch around the hoop.
 
Fischer: "Nearly every team outside of bottom feeders are buyers right now."

"Everyone you speak to around the league, they say Nurk and Roco are available right now."

Also asked him about expiring contracts, and he said there might be more value for them this year than in years past because so few teams actually have substantial caproom this year.

I'm tellin you guys--- getting a first for Roco should NOT be that hard.
 
Sometimes I wonder if anyone actually reads the rumor before jumping to conclusions.

“Sabonis’ value around the league seems mixed, but there are several teams in the playoff picture, such as the Blazers and Kings, team executives have pointed to as potential landing spots. The Trail Blazers have Jusuf Nurkic and Robert Covington available.”

Fischer doesn’t say the Blazers have “made” either player available. He just says that they are two guys the Blazers could use to try to structure a deal for Sabonis. Later in his piece he says other teams have interest in Nance. Nowhere does he say the Blazers have an interest in moving him though. He does say the Blazers are primarily interested in gauging the level of interest around the league in Covington and Nurk. Well, duh. Two ending contracts for players who aren’t exactly dominating this season, it would be GM malpractice to not be testing the waters to see who might want them. Finally, nowhere in the rumor does it say the Blazers aren’t interested in trading CJ. It doesn’t mention him at all. Teams can have discussions about lots of different guys in looking for deals that might make sense.
 
e_blazer said:
Fischer doesn’t say the Blazers have “made” either player available.
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He just confirmed that they are in his weekly call.

Repeated Utah's potential interest in Roco just now as well. Looking for a wing to push either Ingles/O'Neale to the bench.
 
illmatic99 said:
He just confirmed that they are in his weekly call.

Repeated Utah's potential interest in Roco just now as well. Looking for a wing to push either Ingles/O'Neale to the bench.
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Not sure that RoCo would do that...
 
Fischer just said Roco + Nurk for Sabonis is more intriguing from the Pacers' perspective than a deal with Detroit for Jerami Grant. He cited that having bird rights for our expiring dudes could be of value to Indy.
 
illmatic99 said:
we know that. the national media doesn't yet, it appears. Also a train of thought that a trade would help Roco regain his form.
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His form was never that impressive.
 
illmatic99 said:
He just confirmed that they are in his weekly call.

Repeated Utah's potential interest in Roco just now as well. Looking for a wing to push either Ingles/O'Neale to the bench.
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I'd guess that just about everyone not named Dame is available. But, yeah, I'd say RoCo's time in Portland is about done and I'd guess the same is true for Nurk unless he dramatically improves his level of play.
 
Cronin is on the clock starting tomorrow.
Im sure Jody & Bert will be waiting for him to bring them deals, one which needs to be a blockbuster. He can sure up this new position of his if he shocks the world!
 
wizenheimer said:
spending nearly 1/3 of the salary cap for a 6th man doesn't make much sense. It's not a formula for contending, IMO...just more purgatory

Lou Williams won three 6th-man-of-the-year awards and he averaged less than 7M/year when he won them. CJ averages 33M, nearly 5 times as much

there have been a ton of logical contortions over the last 6 years trying to justify CJ's role on the team. The reality is that CJ, his contract, & Olshey's blind passion for CJ, have been the biggest roadblocks to Portland taking the next step. That doesn't change because Olshey is gone. As long as CJ is hogging all the shots and salary cap he is, there's not enough air in the room for a better player
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On the other hand, if we cannot trade CJ for anything of value, then ignore the salary and put him in a position where he can [hopefully] help the team most and make him the 6th man. Yeah, he may be overpriced for that role but if we only played people because of their salary, there are a number of guys who we've had in the past who would have gotten a lot more playing time.

Trade for better fit and if that is not an option, use him where he can, potentially, add more value to the team.
 
First we hear that Joe and Cj have been talking.

Now we hear he’s not a part of this available player group

this is going to end in disappoint, isn’t it.
 
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