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PTET is why Portland should be more judicious in the players they sign and extend. They can't just waste money overpaying if eventually they will have to move them.

Which is why the Josh Hart trade made so much sense. The cupboard inherited by Cronin and co was bare thanks to the magic of the NeO years. They had to be very careful who they extend. Nurk and Grant had to be extended since the team was trying to rebuild around Dame and these are positions of need. Ant had to be extended since he was the only young one with star potential on the roster. Hart, as good as he is, was not a priority for a team saddled with so many guards.
 
Which is why the Josh Hart trade made so much sense. The cupboard inherited by Cronin and co was bare thanks to the magic of the NeO years. They had to be very careful who they extend. Nurk and Grant had to be extended since the team was trying to rebuild around Dame and these are positions of need. Ant had to be extended since he was the only young one with star potential on the roster. Hart, as good as he is, was not a priority for a team saddled with so many guards.
If the Blazers decided to rebuild back then the Hart trade made sense. But then giving Nurk 70 million months prior doesn't make sense. If the Blazers wanted to try and win with Dame they should have kept Hart, he's way more valuable next season than Murray.

Many of these moves in isolation made sense if they were part of a consistent direction. The problem the last two years is the Blazers didn't have a direction, they did moves that fit one way not the other. Then a move that fits the other way but not that first path. Hopefully now that Dame has asked out their moves will be better aligned.
 
that's one way to look at it but it sure is slanted

when talking about Nurkic as a C compared to other NBA C's, he isn't worth 18M/year even when healthy; he has negative value. It's probably not significant negative value, but it's pretty damn easy to gauge compared to the rest of the NBA

but that's assuming good health...which Nurk doesn't have. He's been in the NBA for 9 seasons and has averaged playing in 51 games while missing 29 (Covid adjustment). He's missed 36% of his team's games. Now, some of that is due to tanking so you have to adjust downward a bit. Still. And over the last 4 seasons, he's played in 153 games while missing 157. Worse is that in his time in Portland the Blazers have played 35 playoff games and Nurk has missed 19. He isn't there when needed most; although the 'need' is debatable since the Blazers actually had some playoff success with Kanter at C. They lost every series when Nurkic played because traditional C's have diminished roles in the playoffs

gauging player value resides in some foundational factors: talent-versatility-impact-consistency AND availability. Nurk has some talent and he has some regular season impact. Not so much in the playoffs. But he's not versatile or consistent, and his availability is poor. Negative value

the debate has devolved to the point where the biggest remaining argument for Nurkic is simply that Portland doesn't have anybody better. That's a poor argument in his favor, especially for a team in a major rebuild when wins don't matter and with a coach that schemes defense opposite of Nurk's abilities
I'm in full agreement Nurk is not worth the 70 million contract he was given. That was a clear mistake at the time as well as today.

But that is far different than saying Nurk being removed is addition by subtraction.

Remove Nurk and put Badji or whatever scrub in his place and the Blazers are clearly worse.

If the Blazers can get an upgrade I'm all for it. If they can't then having Nurk in the rotation next year is fine.
 
If the Blazers decided to rebuild back then the Hart trade made sense. But then giving Nurk 70 million months prior doesn't make sense. If the Blazers wanted to try and win with Dame they should have kept Hart, he's way more valuable next season than Murray.

Many of these moves in isolation made sense if they were part of a consistent direction. The problem the last two years is the Blazers didn't have a direction, they did moves that fit one way not the other. Then a move that fits the other way but not that first path. Hopefully now that Dame has asked out their moves will be better aligned.

I disagree. The Blazers did not need to trade Hart just for a rebuild. They tried to get better assets to balance the roster around Dame. In reality, they basically got a real size forward for him in Murray even if the goal was to use it in a trade that they did not, so they did balance the roster, but clearly not on the right timeline.
 
I disagree. The Blazers did not need to trade Hart just for a rebuild. They tried to get better assets to balance the roster around Dame. In reality, they basically got a real size forward for him in Murray even if the goal was to use it in a trade that they did not, so they did balance the roster, but clearly not on the right timeline.
Not sure what you mean by the Blazers tried to get better assets around Dame. Murray is not close to a better player than Hart today, nor would his trade value lead to an expected better win now player.

Blazers have a theme above all else of trying to pinch pennies since Jody took over. That apparently was the primary motivation behind the Hart trade.

It is really odd how they stack that with grossly overpaying their own free agents. I guess that blend is what makes them such a poorly managed franchise.
 
Which is why the Josh Hart trade made so much sense. The cupboard inherited by Cronin and co was bare thanks to the magic of the NeO years. They had to be very careful who they extend. Nurk and Grant had to be extended since the team was trying to rebuild around Dame and these are positions of need. Ant had to be extended since he was the only young one with star potential on the roster. Hart, as good as he is, was not a priority for a team saddled with so many guards.

I really agree about Hart. Great player, but I fully believe the reports his wife wanted to be on the east coast and he informed Cronin he would not be extending with Portland which allowed Cronin to work a great deal for both parties. You may not agree with this next part, but I am happy NeO locked up Portlands picks. Stopped them from throwing them away like NeO did.
 
Better assets positionally, as in size wise, to balance the roster.
 
I'm in full agreement Nurk is not worth the 70 million contract he was given. That was a clear mistake at the time as well as today.

But that is far different than saying Nurk being removed is addition by subtraction.

Remove Nurk and put Badji or whatever scrub in his place and the Blazers are clearly worse.

If the Blazers can get an upgrade I'm all for it. If they can't then having Nurk in the rotation next year is fine.

from my POV, Portland being worse next season is not a negative. They will be in the lottery anyway. If the Blazers had an opportunity to clear Nurk's salary without cost, I'd be just fine with it. I'm not necessarily opposed to him being on the team next season, but with Dame gone (probably), I think it would be better if Nurk was gone sooner rather than later
 
from my POV, Portland being worse next season is not a negative. They will be in the lottery anyway. If the Blazers had an opportunity to clear Nurk's salary without cost, I'd be just fine with it. I'm not necessarily opposed to him being on the team next season, but with Dame gone (probably), I think it would be better if Nurk was gone sooner rather than later

That could be the best move, depends what Nurk value ends up in 1 or 2 years.

I'd prefer to hold on to Nurk for the chance he plays well, has decent health, or can be flipped for a late pick or something later. If he is healthy and the cap keeps going up he might have value. He certainly might instead have zero or negative value. But clearing his salary is unlikely to give the Blazers a better opportunity to get an asset than just holding onto him at this point for the next 1-2 years.
 
I'm in full agreement Nurk is not worth the 70 million contract he was given. That was a clear mistake at the time as well as today.

But that is far different than saying Nurk being removed is addition by subtraction.

Remove Nurk and put Badji or whatever scrub in his place and the Blazers are clearly worse.

If the Blazers can get an upgrade I'm all for it. If they can't then having Nurk in the rotation next year is fine.
Why does it matter if we start Badji? This team is gonna suck. This is the best time to give young guys reps. I’d rather try to get some cheap vet to start but I don’t see the harm in playing Badji. We aren’t trying to win right now.

I don’t understand why there is this urgency to trade Grant when he’s not really overpaid at his position compared to similar players. To your point about Nurk, do we have a better replacement for Grant? Who starts at power forward if we trade him?
 
Why does it matter if we start Badji? This team is gonna suck. This is the best time to give young guys reps. I’d rather try to get some cheap vet to start but I don’t see the harm in playing Badji. We aren’t trying to win right now.

I don’t understand why there is this urgency to trade Grant when he’s not really overpaid at his position compared to similar players. To your point about Nurk, do we have a better replacement for Grant? Who starts at power forward if we trade him?
Watching Houston attempt to function while going all young last year was painful.

In the modern NBA, I don't see teams having cores together for 6-8 years, so trying to go all young doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Letting a non-NBA talent start at center makes even less sense to me. Scoot/Ant/Sharpe would benefit from playing next to actual NBA talent vs liabilities.
 
Looks like Dame skipped the Nurk wedding.

Quite a few pics of Blazer people in attendance including Cronin, Roy Rogers, Simons, Nate Tibbets, former Blazer Pau Gasol, Euro legend Dino Radja, etc etc.

No Dame though.
 
Why does it matter if we start Badji? This team is gonna suck. This is the best time to give young guys reps. I’d rather try to get some cheap vet to start but I don’t see the harm in playing Badji. We aren’t trying to win right now.

I don’t understand why there is this urgency to trade Grant when he’s not really overpaid at his position compared to similar players. To your point about Nurk, do we have a better replacement for Grant? Who starts at power forward if we trade him?

My thoughts on Grant and Nurk are similar. Try to trade them for value. If the team can't, start and hold them until they get more value.

To your point of sitting quality players to start scrubs, no I don't think that's the right approach. I think that greatly harms rookies and young players we want to develop. The team can be bad even with Nurk and Grant shafting. There's no need to sit them at game 1.
 
Looks like Dame skipped the Nurk wedding.

Quite a few pics of Blazer people in attendance including Cronin, Roy Rogers, Simons, Nate Tibbets, former Blazer Pau Gasol, Euro legend Dino Radja, etc etc.

No Dame though.

This might align with some speculation that he has personal stuff going on in his life. Hard to know.
 
Nobody wants Nurkic
the Blazers do
Cronin outsmarted everyone by signing a 4 year deal to a starting Center that enjoys the end of season tank. Nurkic can help the Blazers win a few games early in the season. Blazer fans in the Moda Center cheer and get free chalupas. People that work in the Blazers organization say mean things about Nurkic, and he fights back with snippy tweets. Love & basketball and top 5 draft picks, the Bosnian Beast makes tanking fun.
 
My thoughts on Grant and Nurk are similar. Try to trade them for value. If the team can't, start and hold them until they get more value.

To your point of sitting quality players to start scrubs, no I don't think that's the right approach. I think that greatly harms rookies and young players we want to develop. The team can be bad even with Nurk and Grant shafting. There's no need to sit them at game 1.

I don't think we should sit quality players. I'm saying that keeping a player simply because he's better than a player like Badji, but still on a bad contract, injury prone, and has a history of toxic behavior is not worth it just because he's better.
 
Looks like Dame skipped the Nurk wedding.

Quite a few pics of Blazer people in attendance including Cronin, Roy Rogers, Simons, Nate Tibbets, former Blazer Pau Gasol, Euro legend Dino Radja, etc etc.

No Dame though.
Was he invited?
 
This might align with some speculation that he has personal stuff going on in his life. Hard to know.
- Wife deleted her IG
- Wife absent from Dame IG
- Dame's children with him only on his IG
- Went to France, DR w/o her
- Not attending Nurk's wedding
- Chauncey's comments:
“He’s in a spot right now where he has to make decisions for what’s best for his career and his life. Those decisions aren’t only about basketball.”
- That IG story about betrayal (could be Cronin, could be anyone)

There are signs of personal issues but there's more than meets the eye.
 
I don't think we should sit quality players. I'm saying that keeping a player simply because he's better than a player like Badji, but still on a bad contract, injury prone, and has a history of toxic behavior is not worth it just because he's better.
Nurkic has a history of playing better with younger players who move the ball around.
He fits perfectly with the roster the Blazers have now.
Nurk's worst days were the small 1-2-3 lineup of Dame, CJ, and Norman Powell. 2 of those players are gone for good, with the other on his way out.
 
Nurkic has a history of playing better with younger players who move the ball around.
He fits perfectly with the roster the Blazers have now.
Nurk's worst days were the small 1-2-3 lineup of Dame, CJ, and Norman Powell. 2 of those players are gone for good, with the other on his way out.

We have an opportunity to dump his contract and make Miami take him.

If we wait to trade him, we might have to attach an asset to get it done.
 
We have an opportunity to dump his contract and make Miami take him.

If we wait to trade him, we might have to attach an asset to get it done.

You are certainly correct, but then you are making it Herro and Lowry's expiring coming back and finding any semblance of a rebounder/rim protector. Gotta work Cleveland/Allen or Phoenix/Ayton into the mix. Either would be great for three seasons in my opinion.
 
I may be in the minority here, but I would like Nurk to stay tbh unless we get something very good back for him. Always thought he has been underrated by a large part of our fanbase.Again haha sure I am one of a few with that assessment but alas.

Anyways, congrats to him on his wedding and we shall see what happens.
 
I may be in the minority here, but I would like Nurk to stay tbh unless we get something very good back for him. Always thought he has been underrated by a large part of our fanbase.Again haha sure I am one of a few with that assessment but alas.

Anyways, congrats to him on his wedding and we shall see what happens.

2 things that bug me about him. 1 is under his control, the other isn't.

1) lackidasical and inefficient play.

2) too injured.
 
I may be in the minority here, but I would like Nurk to stay tbh unless we get something very good back for him. Always thought he has been underrated by a large part of our fanbase.Again haha sure I am one of a few with that assessment but alas.

Anyways, congrats to him on his wedding and we shall see what happens.

I think/hope more fans can actually appreciate what he brings to the team. If Portland had even a remotely passable alternative - then I could see the reasoning for moving Nurk.

It's absolutely asinine to suggest that we dump Nurk just to get rid of him when he's the only player on the team taller than 6-8...

2 things that bug me about him. 1 is under his control, the other isn't.

1) lackidasical and inefficient play.

2) too injured.
I understand and agree here. Unfortunately hes the best option (by far) that we've got
 
I think/hope more fans can actually appreciate what he brings to the team. If Portland had even a remotely passable alternative - then I could see the reasoning for moving Nurk.

It's absolutely asinine to suggest that we dump Nurk just to get rid of him when he's the only player on the team taller than 6-8...


I understand and agree here. Unfortunately hes the best option (by far) that we've got

I don't disagree with that either.
 
I don't like the fact that Nurk seemingly refuses to finish strong around the basket and as the biggest big in the game it's almost unforgivable. I do not like the fact that Nurk has great court vision but seemingly refuses to make the easy pass to the open man but instead tries to make it fancy and ends up fucking up what should be simple assists. I think Nurk's moodiness has been managed very well by Dame and I don't trust him to manage it himself without Dame. I think Nurk is a terrible fit for Chauncey's system which draws him away from the hoop and think he needs a coach who is more flexible and allows him to drop coverage at least most of the time. I also think that ideally Nurk would be a backup or a situational starter along with a smallball C.
 
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