...O/T...I am so sick of this type thing;

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Denny Crane said:
Let's try a different tack. Without civil rights movement, all the black people we all know would be happy?

Tell me your version of what it would be like.

The guy said black people were happy without all that. The photos prove they weren't.
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...and there you have it, folks...yet more "misdirection".
 
Denny Crane said:
When the facts aren't on your side, insult your opponent. Old trick.

The facts aren't on your side. Your defense of his bigotry and racism are outright pathetic.
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...Old trick, when you can't provide actual quotes and proof after being asked multiple times, simply play the "because I said so" card.
 
Denny Crane said:
Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.

No, they were not happy. The guy is painting some rosy picture of the south that somehow it was OK the way it was. It wasn't.

If he had said, "I wish it were like it was in 1850 for black people in the South, they were happy then" you would be defending him because he didn't outright say slavery.

Indefensible.
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Again. Deny it again.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Translation; "I have been asked for proof and I have none".

...back up your claims..."try it sometime".
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Translation, You refuse to read it because it destroys the pathetic defense you make for the racist.
 
Denny Crane said:
Translation, You refuse to read it because it destroys the pathetic defense you make for the racist.
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...back up, stewie................... Read again...I'm not defending him...instead, I'm exposing your mania.
 
Denny Crane said:
It is what they asked for.
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...I'll say it again, you're a liar...and you are.


...not that you didn't already what they were asking for but THIS is is what rick and hammer asked for about 6-7 times; "Only a racist would say that black people were happy picking cotton,drinking from seperate water fountains, sitting in the back of buses & getting there food from the rear entrances of restaurants."

...can you quote Robertson as actually saying that or not?....if so, then do it...otherwise stfu.
 
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If he had said, "I wish we had segregation still," would you be asking where he mentioned separate drinking fountains?

Unbelievable the lengths you are going to defend his racism.
 
Denny Crane said:
If he had said, "I wish we had segregation still," would you be asking where he mentioned separate drinking fountains?

Unbelievable the lengths you are going to defend his racism.
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...answer the question, can you quote him or not?
 
Denny Crane said:
Again with the name calling. The facts are not on your side. I can't be the liar in this discussion.
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...the name/label suits you quite well...I'm sorry if the truth hurts your feelings.

...you made a statements and people asked you to document it, so the onus is on you to prove it...and you have not. And simply saying you have is not proof...and since you cannot provide said proof, that, by makes you a liar...sorry, you lose.
 
...I'll say it again, you're a liar...and you are.


...not that you didn't already what they were asking for but THIS is is what rick and hammer asked for about 6-7 times; "Only a racist would say that black people were happy picking cotton,drinking from seperate water fountains, sitting in the back of buses & getting there food from the rear entrances of restaurants."

...can you quote Robertson as actually saying that or not?....if so, then do it...otherwise stfu.
 
Robertson said:
Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.
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When was that? Do you ignore the words he said?

When was that?

When was that?

What was it really like then?

Were there separate drinking fountains?

I'm not the one defending the racist and being pathetic in my defense at that.



Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare was Jim Crow south. Times when Governor Wallace blocked entrance to high school so black children wouldn't be admitted.

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Denny let me just add this, NO ONE is denying what the blacks went through or how bad it was. And Yes the civil rights movement (King not Sharpton) played a major part in correcting many of the injustices done to them. But it is my opinion (which like Robertson or anyone else I'm entitled to) I think people need to stop living in the past, jump ahead 50 years to the here & now & move forward.

Sharpton seems to be under the cloud that we're still back in the days of segregation where the black race still needs defending. NEWSFLASH! it doesn't. Not today & not anymore. What other group of people do that?

Look do these words sound familiar, "A nation divided among itself cannot stand".As long as people like Sharpton continue to live under the cloud with his "us against them" mentality we'll never get the proper kind of unity that people like Martin Luther King fought & died for.

I mean my god man why you continue to defend self righteous santimonious pompous ass is beyond me. And BTW: Officer Steve Pagones (forgive the spelling) is still looking for his apology also.

So...................................how about those Yankees?
 
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Rick2583 said:
Denny let me just add this, NO ONE is denying what the blacks went through or how bad it was. And Yes the civil rights movement (King not Sharpton) played a major part in correcting many of the injustices done to them. But it is my opinion (which like Robertson or anyone else I'm entitled to) I think people need to stop living in the past, jump ahead 50 years to the here & now & move forward.

Sharpton seems to be under the cloud that we're still back in the days of segregation where the black race still needs defending. NEWSFLASH! it doesn't. Not today & not anymore. What other group of people do that?

Look do these words sound familiar, "A nation divided among itself cannot stand".As long as people like Sharpton continue to live under the cloud with his "us against them" mentality we'll never get the proper kind of unity that people like Martin Luther King fought & died for.

I mean my god man why you continue to defend self righteous santimonious pompous ass is beyond me. And BTW: Officer Steve Pagones (forgive the spelling) is still looking for his apology also.

So...................................how about those Yankees?
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Us vs. the gays. Nation divided upon itself?

Just asking'
 
Denny Crane said:
Us vs. the gays. Nation divided upon itself?

Just asking'
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Denny c'mon you're not really comparing what Robertson said recently in a news article to what Sharpton has done for way to many years?

BTW: I also find it a bit interesting that that was the only thing you took out of my post. But that's okay, that lump going down your throat is called pride. And there's no shame in coming in second. Not that I would know.
 
Attempt #3;


...not that you didn't already what they were asking for but THIS is is what rick and hammer asked for about 6-7 times; "Only a racist would say that black people were happy picking cotton,drinking from seperate water fountains, sitting in the back of buses & getting there food from the rear entrances of restaurants."

...can you quote Robertson as actually saying that or not?....if so, then do it...otherwise stfu.
 
Rick2583 said:
Denny let me just add this, NO ONE is denying what the blacks went through or how bad it was. And Yes the civil rights movement (King not Sharpton) played a major part in correcting many of the injustices done to them. But it is my opinion (which like Robertson or anyone else I'm entitled to) I think people need to stop living in the past, jump ahead 50 years to the here & now & move forward.

Sharpton seems to be under the cloud that we're still back in the days of segregation where the black race still needs defending. NEWSFLASH! it doesn't. Not today & not anymore. What other group of people do that?

Look do these words sound familiar, "A nation divided among itself cannot stand".As long as people like Sharpton continue to live under the cloud with his "us against them" mentality we'll never get the proper kind of unity that people like Martin Luther King fought & died for.

I mean my god man why you continue to defend self righteous santimonious pompous ass is beyond me. And BTW: Officer Steve Pagones (forgive the spelling) is still looking for his apology also.

So...................................how about those Yankees?
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Sorry, to answer twice, but I had two answers :)

My experience is clearly different than yours. I grew up in Chicago, which was very segregated. The south side was mostly black people and the north side was mostly white people. It was segregated more than by black/white, too. There were lots of ethnic neighborhoods - irish, polish, puerto rican, and so on.

The black/white issue was just terrible for the black folk. There was a mass migration from the south (Jim Crow, the racism, the threat to their lives and livelihood) to Chicago. Mayor Richard J. Daley was a terrible racist. He took federal money and built these nice new low-income apartment buildings called Cabrini Green and targeted the black folk to move in. And they did, because the banks wouldn't lend them money to buy houses and so on. Once they moved in, he built freeways around the project to keep the black folk in, to keep make it difficult for them to establish business, etc. Then he let the place crumble to some of the worst conditions imaginable. Elevators didn't work so a mother would have to carry groceries up five flights or more of stairs and that sort of thing.

I grew up on the south side, and what I saw was white flight. The more black people moved in, the more white people moved out. They took their wealth with them. The banks wouldn't lend to the black people to buy and fix up the homes. A lot of the homes there were Frank Lloyd Wright designs. Seriously wonderful architecture that all went to shit.

50 years ago, you say, would be 1963.

Well, in 1983 (that would be 30 years ago), Harold Washington ran for mayor of Chicago.

Washington wasn't allowed to attend the college of his choice. He went to Roosevelt College which was where black and jewish people were allowed to attend. He did so well that Northwestern University Law School accepted him - he was the only black student in his class. He excelled. He graduated with a law degree (JD) in 1952. Sure, that was before 1983 or 1963, but bear with me.

He went on to work in Chicago City and Illinois State government from 1951 to 1983.

So he runs for Mayor against Jane Byrne and Richard Daley Jr. (the long time mayor's son). They basically split the vote in the primaries, something like 33% to 32% to 32% and Washington won. Realize 2/3 of the people in this "liberal democratic" city voted against him. Then came the mayoral election when he ran against some cannon fodder republican opponent, Bernard Epton. In a city where no republican won the mayor's seat since the 1920s if not earlier, and democrats won election with 80% or more of the vote, it was a 51%-49% election with Washington winning.

That's racism at play. I seriously don't think that passing some laws in 1963 eliminated racism. In 1983, it sure looks to me like black people still needed to overcome a lot of racism.

As mayor, Washington pissed off a lot of people. He started construction on all three major freeways in the city at once, giving the work to black owned contracting firms. Of course, the white owned contracting firms were livid, and the residents were too, since freeway construction meant traffic jams. If anything, he did the right thing by enabling black enterprise (no affirmative action/quotas, just give people jobs). He was in just too much of a hurry.

So now your 50 years looks like 30 years, and even so, the contracting jobs are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to entrenched favoritism given to white people.

30 years isn't when it all ended, either. The Chicago Police department got sued and lost $25M in a case where policemen were busted for hassling innocent black men, taking them into abandoned buildings and beating them with hoses or burning them on radiators. Torture.

In 1995, the city fire department bypassed 6,000 black would-be firefighters through discriminatory handling of the entrance exam; the city lost a ~$80M lawsuit on their behalf.

I don't see how one can really accept that 50 years ago it was all settled.

You live in NYC? Don't they routinely stop and search black men looking for guns? Or at least they did until the courts stepped in and rightly pointed out it was a violation of their civil and constitutional rights? That's not 50 years ago, that was this year.

What about black on black crime. Serious stuff. It's a real problem, of course. But it's also the result of other problems. If everything was fixed in 1963, we wouldn't even be talking about this sort of thing.

Oh yeah, the south side of chicago is now beautiful. It seems a bunch of black folk pooled their money and bought out the neighborhood bank. Then the bank started giving out loans and those wonderful Frank Lloyd Wright homes got all fixed up, the cars on blocks out front removed, etc. The south side had such a revival that white people moved back.
 
Rick2583 said:
Denny c'mon you're not really comparing what Robertson said recently in a news article to what Sharpton has done for way to many years?

BTW: I also find it a bit interesting that that was the only thing you took out of my post. But that's okay, that lump going down your throat is called pride. And there's no shame in coming in second. Not that I would know.
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I was just seeing a bit of hypocrisy and pointing it out.

Goose and gander. You know.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Attempt #3;


...not that you didn't already what they were asking for but THIS is is what rick and hammer asked for about 6-7 times; "Only a racist would say that black people were happy picking cotton,drinking from seperate water fountains, sitting in the back of buses & getting there food from the rear entrances of restaurants."

...can you quote Robertson as actually saying that or not?....if so, then do it...otherwise stfu.
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Robertson said:
Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.
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When was that? Do you ignore the words he said?

When was that?

When was that?

What was it really like then?

Were there separate drinking fountains?

I'm not the one defending the racist and being pathetic in my defense at that.



Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare was Jim Crow south. Times when Governor Wallace blocked entrance to high school so black children wouldn't be admitted.

800px-Wallace_at_University_of_Alabama_edit2.jpg
 
...comparing the "1850's" to the 1960's...spiffy...and did he actually say those words?...didn't think so.



...like I said, you're a liar.
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...comparing the "1850's" to the 1960's...spiffy...and did he actually say those words?...didn't think so.



...like I said, you're a liar.
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Yes, he actually said those words. "Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare." Direct quote.
 
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