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Denny Crane said:
The insurance cartel is losing $trillions. I don't think it's up to them to go out of business so ObamaCare stays solvent a few years longer than it otherwise could.
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More proof that health insurance is completely unnecessary.
 
dviss1 said:
More proof that health insurance is completely unnecessary.
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Sure. Have the government go even further into insolvency.

It can't pay its bills as it is.
 
Denny Crane said:
Sure. Have the government go even further into insolvency.

It can't pay its bills as it is.
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You say this shit but you avoid talking about the trillions of dollars that the Pentagon has wasted, the trillions of dollars that are in untaxed offshore accounts, the free money we give away in subsidies to agribusiness as well as oil companies. Not to mention our wars of choice. So much for being a Libertarian Denny because you don't say shit about corporate welfare. With all the money that we spent on that crap that was just off the top of my head, the outright LIE that our country is broke is the prevailingreatest notion.

We can pay for school for everyone as well as health care for everyone if we have our priorities straight.
 
dviss1 said:
You say this shit but you avoid talking about the trillions of dollars that the Pentagon has wasted, the trillions of dollars that are in untaxed offshore accounts, the free money we give away in subsidies to agribusiness as well as oil companies. Not to mention our wars of choice. So much for being a Libertarian getting because you don't say shit about corporate welfare. With all the money that we spent on that crap that was just off the top of my head, the outright LIE that our country is broke is the prevailingreatest notion.

We can pay for school for everyone as well as health care for everyone if we have our priorities straight.
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You change the subject because you know the government has no business screwing up everyone's health care.
 
Denny Crane said:
You change the subject because you know the government has no business screwing up everyone's health care.
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I didn't change the subject at all. I'm talking about how we waste the money that you're talking about. You just not mentioning the right money. The 74 billion we spend a year on food stamps is a drop in the bucket compared to all of the money that we give away. You say the government is insolvent but Obama has cut Bush's 1.3 Tril deficit by two thirds.
 
dviss1 said:
I didn't change the subject at all. I'm talking about how we waste the money that you're talking about. You just not mentioning the right money. The 74 billion we spend a year on food stamps is a drop in the bucket compared to all of the money that we give away. You say the government is insolvent but Obama has cut Bush's 1.3 Tril deficit by two thirds.
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It was ObamaCare, now you want to talk about the military and wars. I recognize a change of subject when it's so obvious.

The interest on Obama's debt from reckless spending is going to dwarf military spending. All that money goes to the rich, too. Who else has money to loan the government?

Read this. It's from NPR, so it must be quality. It's about government running things related to health.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...y-we-got-fatter-during-the-fat-free-food-boom
 
Denny Crane said:
It eas ObamaCare, now you want to talk about the military and wars. I recognize a change of subject when it's so obvious.

Read this. It's from NPR, so it must be quality. It's about government running things related to health.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...y-we-got-fatter-during-the-fat-free-food-boom
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You said basically we can't afford it. I told you why (wars, corporate welfare etc.).

I could really give a shit what the Koch's say (they fund NPR).

I don't see countries complaining about their single payer plans. Only people like you saying no we can't.
 
dviss1 said:
You said basically we can't afford it. I told you why (wars, corporate welfare etc.).

I could really give a shit what the Koch's say (they fund NPR).

I don't see countries complaining about their single payer plans. Only people like you saying no we can't.
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We can't afford it. We're on pace to spend all the money on 2 social programs and debt interest.

Venezuela. /thread
 
You really should read the link. It's not likely at all what you imagine.

Government set the dietary standards. We now have an obesity epidemic.

With all good intentions, government does mostly harm.
 
Denny Crane said:
We can't afford it. We're on pace to spend all the money on 2 social programs and debt interest.

Venezuela. /thread
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Great Britain, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain, France, Iceland, I could go on.

/thread
 
Denny Crane said:
You really should read the link. It's not likely at all what you imagine.

Government set the dietary standards. We now have an obesity epidemic.

With all good intentions, government does mostly harm.
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You blame government (typical Lib) for the things that corporations do.
 
Denny Crane said:
You really should read the link. It's not likely at all what you imagine.

Government set the dietary standards. We now have an obesity epidemic.

With all good intentions, government does mostly harm.
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I read your link, it doesn't at all say what you seem to think it does.

Now, to be fair, the kinds of carbs the authors of the guidelines had in mind were whole grains, fruits and vegetables.

But this message was lost in translation. What did Americans hear? Fat is bad; carbs are good.

And the food industry saw the low-fat, high-carb mantra as an opportunity to create a whole new range of products. Fat-free frozen yogurt, fat-free muffins and cookies — the formula was: Take out the fat; add lots of sugar.
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The problem wasn't the government guidelines, the problem was that people didn't actually follow the government guidelines (helped along by the food industry, of course).

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
Government regulations. Everything is a twisted version of what they should be. Products of government.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/...r-the-diabetes-epidemic-time-to-change-course
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When you have politicians who are paid off by lobbyists from corporations who do you blame? You @Denny blame government and have no qualms about these corporations who pay no taxes, rape our planet of resources, and are the REAL ones who have control of our lives (banks).

What came 1st the chicken or the egg?

Corporations are ran like dictatorships. You can vote government out. Good luck doing that to CEO. To ATTEMPT to have some sort of control over them you actually suggest I should invest in them (buy a share) to start a movement to vote the CEO out...

GTFO.
 
dviss1 said:
You blame government (typical Lib) for the things that corporations do.
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I'm guilty of that when it comes to Dick Cheney and Haliburton...sometimes dviss...they are one and the same
 
barfo said:
I read your link, it doesn't at all say what you seem to think it does.



The problem wasn't the government guidelines, the problem was that people didn't actually follow the government guidelines (helped along by the food industry, of course).

barfo
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Here you are, obese. Odds are, anyway.

Not me, I don't eat carbs.

The government food pyramid is poison. Mrs. Obama's dietary program is harmful.

Have a look. It's not that people aren't eating to the recommendations, the obesity epidemic is because people are.

http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/archived_projects/FGPPamphlet.pdf
 
dviss1 said:
When you have politicians who are paid off by lobbyists from corporations who do you blame? You @Denny blame government and have no qualms about these corporations who pay no taxes, rape our planet of resources, and are the REAL ones who have control of our lives (banks).

What came 1st the chicken or the egg?

Corporations are ran like dictatorships. You can vote government out. Good luck doing that to CEO. To ATTEMPT to have some sort of control over them you actually suggest I should invest in them (buy a share) to start a movement to vote the CEO out...

GTFO.
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So, give government more power and corporations more incentive to lobby? That's insanity, by definition. You're not making a very good argument here.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/social-...ency-over-20-years-trustees-report-1466605893

Money grows on trees!
 
America....where you are free to eat yourself to death anytime you want.....drink a lifetime's supply of soda pop, eat a mountain of sugar a month...hunt wild boar with a butter knife and eat their still beating heart with your filed teeth...take your pick.....maybe diet isn't the culprit...maybe it's that these folks don't walk anywhere....watch too much tv and drive their cars one block to get another big gulp....fat guilt is selling a lot of books.
 
barfo said:
Regulations? I don't see where the government has regulated your fat intake. You are free to be Jack Spratt's wife if you want to be. What you are complaining about is advice, not regulations.

barfo
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Government doesn't regulate food? What planet are you living on? Not earth, and not in the USA.
 
Blame the French!!!
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riverman said:
America....where you are free to eat yourself to death anytime you want.....drink a lifetime's supply of soda pop, eat a mountain of sugar a month...hunt wild boar with a butter knife and eat their still beating heart with your filed teeth...take your pick.....maybe diet isn't the culprit...maybe it's that these folks don't walk anywhere....watch too much tv and drive their cars one block to get another big gulp....fat guilt is selling a lot of books.
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You would think so. But run 3 miles and eat a candy bar. All that exercise benefit used up.

It's quite silly to fight obesity with exercise. You fight it by eating foods that aren't readily converted to fat.

Or if you believe the Taubes guy in the article, by eating foods that don't spike your insulin because insulin is a driving enzyme for fat storage.
 
Denny Crane said:
Here you are, obese. Odds are, anyway.

Not me, I don't eat carbs.

The government food pyramid is poison. Mrs. Obama's dietary program is harmful.

Have a look. It's not that people aren't eating to the recommendations, the obesity epidemic is because people are.

http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/archived_projects/FGPPamphlet.pdf
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Dude, I looked at your last link, it totally didn't say what you were claiming. It's not an issue I give a shit about.

I think you are just looking for an excuse to eat fat. Go ahead, no one is stopping you. No one is forcing you to eat carbs. No one is forcing you to drink soda pop.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
Government doesn't regulate food? What planet are you living on? Not earth, and not in the USA.
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Government regulates food safety, but it does not regulate the amount of fat you consume. You are free to have a diet of 100% bacon fat, should you so desire.

barfo
 
My family has never suffered from obesity. Wife and son both have almost zero percent body fat...both eat carbs but healthy foods...garden veggies, local fish, etc and we all exercise..daily walks, tennis, yoga, etc....we're not getting fat or losing benefits if I have an almond joy after an afternoon of tennis...it requires balance and not eating carbs does not make you break a sweat or get the endorphins going....it's for people who've already fucked themselves up to lose weight that carb free diets are great but you're wrong that exercise is not more beneficial...
 
barfo said:
Dude, I looked at your last link, it totally didn't say what you were claiming. It's not an issue I give a shit about.

I think you are just looking for an excuse to eat fat. Go ahead, no one is stopping you. No one is forcing you to eat carbs. No one is forcing you to drink soda pop.

barfo
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It absolutely said what I think it does. The government set standards, the food industry complies by producing food that fits the food pyramid. Since inception of the government recommendations, the incidence of obesity has skyrocketed.
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barfo said:
Government regulates food safety, but it does not regulate the amount of fat you consume. You are free to have a diet of 100% bacon fat, should you so desire.

barfo
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It regulates through pricing, making laws about labeling, and making a lot of noise about health risks. They also feed the kids in schools.

The results are obesity epidemic.
 
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