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The graph doesn't include those technically overweight. That's another 30% or so.
 
Denny Crane said:
It regulates through pricing, making laws about labeling, and making a lot of noise about health risks. They also feed the kids in schools.

The results are obesity epidemic.
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I guess you are a regulator too, since you make a lot of noise?

Those bastards, feeding children. They should knock that off.

And making manufacturers tell us what's in food, that's awful. We'd be so much better off if we just shoved stuff in our mouths without thinking about what it is.

Yes, they are most certainly to blame for anyone who gets fat.

barfo
 
riverman said:
My family has never suffered from obesity. Wife and son both have almost zero percent body fat...both eat carbs but healthy foods...garden veggies, local fish, etc and we all exercise..daily walks, tennis, yoga, etc....we're not getting fat or losing benefits if I have an almond joy after an afternoon of tennis...it requires balance and not eating carbs does not make you break a sweat or get the endorphins going....it's for people who've already fucked themselves up to lose weight that carb free diets are great but you're wrong that exercise is not more beneficial...
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"Anecdote."

A 175 lb male runs 3 miles at 10 minutes/mile pace. Burns 135kcal per mile.

There are 488 kcal in 100g of snickers bar.

Oh, exercise is beneficial. It builds muscle and gives the heart a workout. For losing weight? Not so much. The real win is eating less.
 
barfo said:
I guess you are a regulator too, since you make a lot of noise?

Those bastards, feeding children. They should knock that off.

And making manufacturers tell us what's in food, that's awful. We'd be so much better off if we just shoved stuff in our mouths without thinking about what it is.

Yes, they are most certainly to blame for anyone who gets fat.

barfo
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These bastards are feeding poison to the children. Yeah, it is something to ponder before giving more powers to government. For years, there were soda machines in the schools. Not sure if many still do. I'm not so sure pizza and spaghetti are what we want the nanny state feeding the keto ds at gunpoint (truancy laws).

If government says fat will kill you and makes food makers put "high in fat" on the labels, gullible people will not eat the fatty food. It ain't rocket science.

You really have no clue what this big government you want does, either good or bad. Hint: not much of it ends up good.
 
Denny Crane said:
"Anecdote."

A 175 lb male runs 3 miles at 10 minutes/mile pace. Burns 135kcal per mile.

There are 488 kcal in 100g of snickers bar.

Oh, exercise is beneficial. It builds muscle and gives the heart a workout. For losing weight? Not so much. The real win is eating less.
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The world is full of athletes that disprove this..my son has a degree in the subject and is in incredible shape and health...overeating is a problem but it's not just that....every 176 lb male running that 3 miles has different metabolism and different bood chemistry...a different sized liver and different sugar levels. If you do it right....excercising is like waking up....a habit that takes practice and you don't need to lose weight to begin with...I worked with several fat people who lost weight on the no carb diet and in the end were still fat people but not as fat....I worked with a guy who jogged and played soccer but ate a terrible diet and stayed pretty fit....we are different and eating healthy food, excercising and getting the proper rest are the same key to health now that they were in 1950...the FDA doesn't monitor my quarter acre garden or my orchard.
 
Anyhow, a massive percentage of our healthcare needs are directly related to the government recommended diet.

Diabetes, for example. Big spike after 15 years of putting on the pounds.

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Denny Crane said:
"Anecdote."

A 175 lb male runs 3 miles at 10 minutes/mile pace. Burns 135kcal per mile.

There are 488 kcal in 100g of snickers bar.

Oh, exercise is beneficial. It builds muscle and gives the heart a workout. For losing weight? Not so much. The real win is eating less.
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Increasing the heart rate burns fat...sweating burns fat...I was a distance runner when young and got into shape running on a trampoline to sweat...wrestlers do anything to sweat to make their target weight....Denny you are confusing repair with preventative methods
 
riverman said:
The world is full of athletes that disprove this..my son has a degree in the subject and is in incredible shape and health...overeating is a problem but it's not just that....every 176 lb male running that 3 miles has different metabolism and different bood chemistry...a different sized liver and different sugar levels. If you do it right....excercising is like waking up....a habit that takes practice and you don't need to lose weight to begin with...I worked with several fat people who lost weight on the no carb diet and in the end were still fat people but not as fat....I worked with a guy who jogged and played soccer but ate a terrible diet and stayed pretty fit....we are different and eating healthy food, excercising and getting the proper rest are the same key to health now that they were in 1950...the FDA doesn't monitor my quarter acre garden or my orchard.
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Athletes do play by different rules. A tiny fraction of the population are athletes enough.

The FDA and other agencies trained you what to grow. Indoctrination over the years. You are growing foods the step up from the bottom of the food pyramid.

The pyramid is almost entirely upside down.
 
Denny Crane said:
These bastards are feeding poison to the children.
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You think they'd be better off without lunch? Interesting viewpoint.

You really have no clue what this big government you want does, either good or bad. Hint: not much of it ends up good.
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There is absolutely nothing that you do not blame on the goverment, is there? If you stub your toe, the gummint made you do it.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
Athletes do play by different rules. A tiny fraction of the population are athletes enough.

The FDA and other agencies trained you what to grow. Indoctrination over the years. You are growing foods the step up from the bottom of the food pyramid.

The pyramid is almost entirely upside down.
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FDA didn't teach me anything about good homegrown food...I grew up on a 300 acre dairy farm and didn't eat any fast food until I was in the military... junk food made me sick. I grew up around a culture that didn't have these problems and even where I live now, there's not an obese person in my neighborhood..lifestyle choices
 
riverman said:
Increasing the heart rate burns fat...sweating burns fat...I was a distance runner when young and got into shape running on a trampoline to sweat...wrestlers do anything to sweat to make their target weight....Denny you are confusing repair with preventative methods
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Heart rate doesn't burn fat. Fat is metabolized through lipolysis. It's a chemical reaction.

Your energy expenditure requirements do signal the hormones to be put in the bloodstream to metabolize what it can. Either carbs or protein or fat or alcohol. If you load up on carbs, you will burn those during exercise. You can only store so much glucogen. When you run out, your muscles ache and you hit the wall. Then the body will turn to burning fat and protein. Protein is metabolized slowest, and you really don't want to burn muscle.

Sweat is water weight.
 
I only really see many obese people when I'm grocery shopping
 
Denny Crane said:
Heart rate doesn't burn fat. Fat is metabolized through lipolysis. It's a chemical reaction.

Your energy expenditure requirements do signal the hormones to be put in the bloodstream to metabolize what it can. Either carbs or protein or fat or alcohol. If you load up on carbs, you will burn those during exercise. You can only store so much glucogen. When you run out, your muscles ache and you hit the wall. Then the body will turn to burning fat and protein. Protein is metabolized slowest, and you really don't want to burn muscle.

Sweat is water weight.
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ok.....so enjoy your electric scooter and bread free lifestyle....personally I don't eat beef or drink soda...heartrate absolutely causes the body to burn fat and sweating will open the pores an detox the burning fat......I'm 6 ft tall, 178 lbs and never get sick at 62....want to play tennis?
 
Is Denny really upset that the government doesn't recommend the exact diet for children that he uses as a 60yr old man?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Is Denny really upset that the government doesn't recommend the exact diet for children that he uses as a 60yr old man?
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Children should be seen and not fed. You kids get away from that food!

barfo
 
riverman said:
I only really see many obese people when I'm grocery shopping
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Anecdotal again.

If your BMI is 25-30%, you are overweight. If yours is higher, you are obese. If it's over 40, you are morbidly obese.

The statistics show 70% of the US is overweight or obese. It was under 20% in the 70s.

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SlyPokerDog said:
Is Denny really upset that the government doesn't recommend the exact diet for children that he uses as a 60yr old man?
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They should not have recommended anything. They made things much worse.

And to bring it back to ObamaCare premiums, it's costing us.
 
Denny Crane said:
Sure. Government blames us. We eat too much and don't exercise enough. Yet the less people eat and more they exercise, the more obese society gets.

Government at work!
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Whatever happened to that individual responsibility crap that libertarians used to espouse?

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
Anecdotal again.

If your BMI is 25-30%, you are overweight. If yours is higher, you are obese. If it's over 40, you are morbidly obese.

The statistics show 70% of the US is overweight or obese. It was under 20% in the 70s.

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No one in the US has polled any skinny person I know to fit this poll....but I monitor my calls and delete shit like that ...I don't disagree with you Denny about cutting out your carbs to lose weight....I disagree with you blaming the govt for obesity and claiming no carbs is the only way to lose weight...good luck with your dietary discipline...always a good thing
 
barfo said:
Whatever happened to that individual responsibility crap that libertarians used to espouse?

barfo
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It's difficult when you go to the store and you can't find full fat yogurt. It's all 0 fat, highly processed, and added sugars. Added chemicals, too. Nanny state has disincentivized people from taking responsibility. After all, the value proposition is supposed to be socializing decisions.

When you take fat out of food, you do it in a lab unless you can cut it off a hunk of meat or something. To put flavor back into the processed food, they add sugar.

We can stop subsidizing corn production, too. Do we really want all the corn syrup in our foods? It wasn't there before the government dietary recommendations.
 
Denny Crane said:
They should not have recommended anything. They made things much worse.
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You're being silly. There is nothing wrong with giving our children fruit and vegetables instead of ketchup.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's difficult when you go to the store and you can't find full fat yogurt. It's all 0 fat, highly processed, and added sugars. Added chemicals, too. Nanny state has disincentivized people from taking responsibility. After all, the value proposition is supposed to be socializing decisions.

When you take fat out of food, you do it in a lab unless you can cut it off a hunk of meat or something. To put flavor back into the processed food, they add sugar.

We can stop subsidizing corn production, too. Do we really want all the corn syrup in our foods? It wasn't there before the government dietary recommendations.
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dude...learn to make yogurt...it's so simple it's crazy...makes itself...my wife has made yogurt for us for 28 years
 
Denny Crane said:
We can stop subsidizing corn production, too. Do we really want all the corn syrup in our foods? It wasn't there before the government dietary recommendations.
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Really? What is the government daily recommendation of corn syrup?
 
Denny Crane said:
It's difficult when you go to the store and you can't find full fat yogurt. It's all 0 fat, highly processed, and added sugars. Added chemicals, too. Nanny state has disincentivized people from taking responsibility. After all, the value proposition is supposed to be socializing decisions.

When you take fat out of food, you do it in a lab unless you can cut it off a hunk of meat or something. To put flavor back into the processed food, they add sugar.

We can stop subsidizing corn production, too. Do we really want all the corn syrup in our foods? It wasn't there before the government dietary recommendations.
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Buy meat from a local farmer....have it butchered anyway you like....if you control your food choices you don't need to feel victimized by all the packaged goods the tv tries to sell you......you should be angry at television...not the govt
 
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