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BigGameDamian said:
Gobert is certainly an upgrade over what we have though.
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No way I trade this years pick for Gobert. However, if you could get him for Nurkic EBEC and maybe the Bucks pick Im down. He would go a long ways towards shoring up the middle with Dame and Simons at the guards. Then we need to draft Banchero or Smith and we suddenly look pretty good.

PG Dame/Simons/Keon
SG Simons/Hart
SF Little/Hart
PF 1st round pick/Justise Winslow/GB3
C Gobert/Watford/FA signing

if you slot in Banchero or Jabari that team looks amazing starters wise.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Gobert is certainly an upgrade over what we have though.
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The same could be said if the Blazers traded for 80% of NBA players.

The question is giving up salary and young talent put the Blazers in a close position to contend? Would the Blazers be a move or two away from contending? With giving up young draft picks and adding Gobert's massive contract I'd say clearly no the Blazers would be further away from contending either immediately or in the long term.
 
e_blazer said:
Teams have been playing small against the Jazz in the playoffs, forcing Gobert to come out of the paint and negating his defensive assets. No thanks.
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Yes this has been what 6 years we've seen the Jazz exploited by this strategy? I am continuously arguing with these Gobert supporters about this. You can't build an NBA contender with Gobert as one of your team's two super max players.

Now if Gobert could be the 4th or 5th starter that is different and maybe it could work. But its damn near impossible to have multiple other all star level players on an NBA roster when Gobert is making a supermax.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yes this has been what 6 years we've seen the Jazz exploited by this strategy? I am continuously arguing with these Gobert supporters about this. You can't build an NBA contender with Gobert as one of your team's two super max players.

Now if Gobert could be the 4th or 5th starter that is different and maybe it could work. But its damn near impossible to have multiple other all star level players on an NBA roster when Gobert is making a supermax.
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I've been saying that as well

there are only 3 high-impact/elite bigs in the NBA: Embiid, Jokic, & Giannis. AD isn't high-impact anymore because he can't stay healthy. And Giannis plays more like a wing than he does a big (and when AD is healthy he plays a lot like a wing as well)

it's really difficult to build a contender around a C in the modern NBA. Denver probably has the best C in the league and they are looking like a perpetual pretender. Yeah, injuries are a part of it, but not all, and the Nuggets have to start worrying about Jokic leaving next summer. Meanwhile, Philly has spent 3 straight years in the luxury tax so they'll pay repeater tax next season if they don't cut Green and maneuver around in the vet minimum market

Utah has a big problem that Portland has had (and may still have): too much of their payroll, talent, and usage invested in small guards and a C. Not enough in wings. It's an imbalance fatal to being a contender. It's a reason I'm hoping Portland doesn't spend more than 40M/year on Simons and Nurkic. It should be less but that might be a pipe dream

look at the last 10 NBA champions:

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the only one that had a core including a traditional big was the Spurs with Duncan. And he was an all-time great. You don't need to invest that much payroll in the C position to be a contender. When you do, it takes all the air out of the room that's needed for wings to sail
 
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Just watching the game tonight reminded me how good Cam Johnson is. Yet Phoenix only can find 24 minutes a game for him. Would people trade a # 6 pick for him?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Just watching the game tonight reminded me how good Cam Johnson is. Yet Phoenix only can find 24 minutes a game for him. Would people trade a # 6 pick for him?
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no...no way

if he was 21 with tons of upside, maybe yes. But he's actually 26 years old (he spent 5 seasons in college, Blutarski), will turn 27 next season, and you really have to wonder just how much upside he has left to tap into. Yeah, he has an efficient shooting game, and 'appears' to be decent as a defender but he's a mediocre rebounder and passer, at least he is statistically

if the Blazers have a top-7 pick, their first lottery pick in 9 seasons, they really have to shoot for getting an all-star level player. There just aren't that many opportunities to land one. Yeah, whoever they pick may be worse than Johnson...that is the risk. But they have to chase the reward instead of settle for a role player
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
yes! I’ll take Cam for our #1 pick without losing any sleep!
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I can see an argument for that. I mean if it came down to Keegan Murray vs Cam I think an argument can be made for either. But if all our main targets are gone, I think I would rather roll the dice on Jalen Duren and trading for Grant. That would fill our needs better. At 210 and a 6'10 wing, Cam is more of a SF. We have those.
 
wizenheimer said:
no...no way

if he was 21 with tons of upside, maybe yes. But he's actually 26 years old (he spent 5 seasons in college, Blutarski), will turn 27 next season, and you really have to wonder just how much upside he has left to tap into. Yeah, he has an efficient shooting game, and 'appears' to be decent as a defender but he's a mediocre rebounder and passer, at least he is statistically

if the Blazers have a top-7 pick, their first lottery pick in 9 seasons, they really have to shoot for getting an all-star level player. There just aren't that many opportunities to land one. Yeah, whoever they pick may be worse than Johnson...that is the risk. But they have to chase the reward instead of settle for a role player
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Well, to me he still seems like a better player than Grant. So maybe we could still go after him with whatever we hoped to get Grant with.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, to me he still seems like a better player than Grant. So maybe we could still go after him with whatever we hoped to get Grant with.
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I'm fine with that, but I can't see any way that the Suns would agree

that's assuming the Milwaukee pick + TPE for Grant. If it's a 6-8th pick + the TPE for Grant that will be a dark day
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm fine with that, but I can't see any way that the Suns would agree

that's assuming the Milwaukee pick + TPE for Grant. If it's a 6-8th pick + the TPE for Grant that will be a dark day
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I still think if we end up with 6-8 that we'll trade back to the Hornets at 13 and 15. Then trade one of those two picks and use the other one. When you look at the guys that will be available at let's say 15 you have guys like Dieng, Sochran, Eason, Jovic, etc. So we get Grant and a forward to compete with Nas and Hart for the other starting forward spot.

Obviously, I'd much rather trade the Pistons the Bucks' 2025 first, their 2025 second and the 57th pick in this draft and I think that should be enough when you factor in the cap relief that they would be getting along with the fact that they'll be able to draft Grant's replacement with their pick. That would be something a decent GM could negotiate but I honestly think after giving away what we did at the deadline that a lot of GMs will stonewall Cronin until they get similarly advantageous deals to the ones the Clippers and Pelicans got.
 
blazerkor said:
I still think if we end up with 6-8 that we'll trade back to the Hornets at 13 and 15. Then trade one of those two picks and use the other one. When you look at the guys that will be available at let's say 15 you have guys like Dieng, Sochran, Eason, Jovic, etc. So we get Grant and a forward to compete with Nas and Hart for the other starting forward spot.

Obviously, I'd much rather trade the Pistons the Bucks' 2025 first, their 2025 second and the 57th pick in this draft and I think that should be enough when you factor in the cap relief that they would be getting along with the fact that they'll be able to draft Grant's replacement with their pick. That would be something a decent GM could negotiate but I honestly think after giving away what we did at the deadline that a lot of GMs will stonewall Cronin until they get similarly advantageous deals to the ones the Clippers and Pelicans got.
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it's still the same stupid trade....sacrificing a top-7 pick for Grant
 
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My guy, Leonard Miller, is flying up draft boards. I was hoping he’d remain a secret
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
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If we wanted Bridges we would have to give him a max deal. We could do that if our pick is at 7 or 8, we get Ant to chill on the contract signing until after we sign Bridges, let Bledsoe and Nurk walk. I think if we were going to do that it might be smart to trade back in the draft for the 13 and 15 picks from Charlotte or 9 and 25 from San Antonio. We could draft the forward that we want to play with Bridges with the 9th pick, let's say Eason and our starting C with the 25th pick let's say Orlando Robinson. Still get the BPA with the 36th pick and 57th.

Dame, Ant, Eason, Bridges, Robinson, Nas, Hart, 36th pick and hope that one or two of Trendon, Keon, Greg or the 57th pick really pop. The problem with using cap space is that all exceptions go out the window. So no TPEs and no MLEs. That is a promising young squad though... I don't know how pleased Dame would be with all of that but I bet he'd give it to the trade deadline to see if he could live with it.

Really, who knows how this all shakes out with our off season. I still think the most likely scenario is that we end up with the 7th pick, we trade that back for the 13th and 15th, we draft whoever the best forward available at 13 is and trade 15 for Grant. We keep Hart, re-sign Ant, Nurk and Ingles. Draft a backup big at 36. Sign someone like Schroder with the TPMLE. We'd be rolling with Dame, Ant, (13) Eason, Grant, Nurk, Hart, Nas, Ingles, Schroder and (36) Koloko. If Dame and Ant are better than Dame and CJ then that's the best team we've had since the Dame/CJ era began but it probably still isn't a contender.
 
I can say very confidently that Portland REALLY wants Grant, but does not want to include our lottery pick this year.

I can also say with a lot of confidence that Chauncey has and will be recruiting for us. Guys around the league love him. Behind the scenes thus far, but a few players under contract with other teams love him.

And lastly, I can say with confidence that some influential scouts for Portland absolutely LOVE Ousmane Dieng
 
Mediocre Man said:
I can say very confidently that Portland REALLY wants Grant, but does not want to include our lottery pick this year.

I can also say with a lot of confidence that Chauncey has and will be recruiting for us. Guys around the league love him. Behind the scenes thus far, but a few players under contract with other teams love him.

And lastly, I can say with confidence that some influential scouts for Portland absolutely LOVE Ousmane Dieng
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thanks for that MM

from all the different mock drafts, it looks like there is a good chance Dieng will be available when the Blazers pick, even if they drop to 7. Do you have any indication that the front office would choose Dieng over Grant if it came to that? Looking at the rankings, a couple have Dieng in the top-10; others not even in the top-20; some not even 1st round
 
wizenheimer said:
thanks for that MM

from all the different mock drafts, it looks like there is a good chance Dieng will be available when the Blazers pick, even if they drop to 7. Do you have any indication that the front office would choose Dieng over Grant if it came to that? Looking at the rankings, a couple have Dieng in the top-10; others not even in the top-20; some not even 1st round
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No idea if it’s either or? Just that Dieng has drawn interest from our scouting dept.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2022/05...-philadelphia-76ers-portland-trail-blazers/2/

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: G Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: F Tobias Harris, G Tyrese Maxey, C Charles Bassey, G Jaden Springer, 2024 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick
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If it’s Harris, Maxey and Thybulle with those picks it would be great.

flip those firsts and Nurk, Hart and salary filler to Utah for Gobert, then draft bpa with our pick

Maxey
Ant
Thybulle
Harris
Gobert

nice line up
 
Mediocre Man said:
If it’s Harris, Maxey and Thybulle with those picks it would be great.

flip those firsts and Nurk, Hart and salary filler to Utah for Gobert, then draft bpa with our pick

Maxey
Ant
Thybulle
Harris
Gobert

nice line up
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The defense in the starting lineup would be fantastic. I could see a dynamic forward like Keegan Murray fitting well off the bench for a squad like this.
 
theprunetang said:
The defense in the starting lineup would be fantastic. I could see a dynamic forward like Keegan Murray fitting well off the bench for a squad like this.
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That team's finishing ability would be TRASHHHHHH.
 
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