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Mike R (San Francisco)

Heard that Timmy Hardaway Jr has been tearing it up. Do you think this has affected his draft stock?
Chad Ford (1:05 PM)

Just saw him workout in Chicago yesterday. Was very impressed. Goes hard all the time. Not a lot of holes in his game. Has a 7-foot wingspan which is phenomenal for a two guard. Very competitive. NBA scouts were wishy washy on him all year, but I could see him performing really well in workouts and moving up sort of the same way MarShon Brooks did a few years ago.
 
Im not sure I have heard this name:

Julien T (Brooklyn)

What are your thoughts on Ricky Ledo?
Chad Ford (1:10 PM)

Definite sleeper. One of the 5 or 6 guys that scouts are most excited to see here. Glen Rice Jr., Rudy Gobert, C.J. McCollum and Mike Muscala are other guys scouts are keen at getting a closer look at.
 
Boise Blazer said:
Mike R (San Francisco)

Heard that Timmy Hardaway Jr has been tearing it up. Do you think this has affected his draft stock?
Chad Ford (1:05 PM)

Just saw him workout in Chicago yesterday. Was very impressed. Goes hard all the time. Not a lot of holes in his game. Has a 7-foot wingspan which is phenomenal for a two guard. Very competitive. NBA scouts were wishy washy on him all year, but I could see him performing really well in workouts and moving up sort of the same way MarShon Brooks did a few years ago.
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I asked about him recently, why no one is mentioning him as a target for us? Seems like a great fit alongside Lillard, and very attainable with our pick or late in the first round if we trade down (or up with our three second rounders).
 
handiman said:
I asked about him recently, why no one is mentioning him as a target for us? Seems like a great fit alongside Lillard, and very attainable with our pick or late in the first round if we trade down (or up with our three second rounders).
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We do seem to take the mock drafts as gospel. This year's mocks though seem to really vary.
 
Isn't it a given that Tim H. Jr. has to go to Golden State? I mean, not just the TimBug connection, but GS is collecting every ex-NBA-player's offspring.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
We do seem to take the mock drafts as gospel. This year's mocks though seem to really vary.
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Tim Hardaway Jr

Draft Express: 2nd Rd 42nd Pick
NBAdraft.net: 1st Rd 21st Pick
Bleacher Report : 1st Rd 30th pick
CBS Sports: 2nd Rd 42nd pick
 
NOVoodoo said:
Mayo is sort of a lazy comparison on my part just because of the similarities that have to do with situations more than their skillsets. Both guys were highly touted from a young age, both slept through their 1-and-done years, both chose schools in the same major media market for their disappointing 1-and-dones, and both played selfishly, showing a lot more ego than game.

There's that question about whether or not he'll be more committed on the next level. Some people suggest that he's more talented than what he showed, and once he gets to the NBA, he'll show it, but how many guys have actually coasted and played selfishly like Mayo and Shabazz did and then turned up the effort once they got drafted?

I think Mayo's a pretty negative comparison. We had him for years here in Memphis, and he never really helped our team. He'd constantly play hero ball, like he never got rid of the voices in his head that were telling him how great he was in high school. He'd get some point and have a decent line in the box score, which is good I guess if he's on your fantasy team, but on our actual team, he would constantly halt our offense.

Watching Mayo develop from the next "can't miss" high schooler, to a 1-and-done at USC that got them sanctioned, to a selfish NBA player makes me apprehensive about Shabazz, who has the writing on the wall to become the same player.
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Drummond was said to be lazy and sleep walking.. Id say he might be the best player in this draft. If he played the entire yeae with decent minutes he may have challenged Lillard. So yes it can be done.
 
What Boise Blazer said. No one seems to think much of Hardaway Jr in the pre-draft buzz, but the guy has a lot of potential. Most combo guards are short for their position, but here's a dude that has SG size and PG handles. Outside shooting is solid but still needs some work. I like the chances for that to improve a lot more than someone who lacks dribbling or passing skills. Plus, his dad was one of the early examples of guys that defied scouting because his confidence greatly exceeded his measurable skills. That sort of quality leads players to work hard at refining their game, and I see Jr as having a bit of the same thing.
 
I really wonder how some people rush to judgement here. Shabazz didn't have the ball all that much as anything other than a scorer. His points came off of plays set for him (coming off of screens, flex cuts, etc) and bis ability to offensive rebound. Yes there were isolations as well, but not pick and roll or anything to help him facilitate offense. Lack of assists id the last thing im worried about, especially when most of his points came off of smart basketball plays or sets made for HIM to SCORE. OJ mayo had the rock A LOT in college as a PG/SG combo.
 
Not sure about the 7 foot wingspan number for Hardaway Jr. DX has it at 6'7".

I know these type of measurements can fluctuate, but by 5 inches?
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
I really wonder how some people rush to judgement here. Shabazz didn't have the ball all that much as anything other than a scorer. His points came off of plays set for him (coming off of screens, flex cuts, etc) and bis ability to offensive rebound. Yes there were isolations as well, but not pick and roll or anything to help him facilitate offense. Lack of assists id the last thing im worried about, especially when most of his points came off of smart basketball plays or sets made for HIM to SCORE. OJ mayo had the rock A LOT in college as a PG/SG combo.
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It's more than just his APG numbers. When he wasn't scoring, he had a reputation for slacking off on defense/rebounding. He also didn't show much improvement over the course of the season...which makes me wonder about his coachability/work ethic.
 
oldmangrouch said:
It's more than just his APG numbers. When he wasn't scoring, he had a reputation for slacking off on defense/rebounding. He also didn't show much improvement over the course of the season...which makes me wonder about his coachability/work ethic.
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I guess thats why he shot 37% from 3 when most people thought be he would be around 25%. Because he doesnt work hard.

PS nbadraft.net says he has an amazing work ethic and developed a floater.. I know it isnt the end all be all, but you know nothing about his work ethic.
 
Seems like Shabazz falls into the same category as the rest of our offseason moves - are we willing to take a chance on someone that may be high reward in hopes that we can take the big step to contender instead of playoff maker.
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
I guess thats why he shot 37% from 3 when most people thought be he would be around 25%. Because he doesnt work hard.

PS nbadraft.net says he has an amazing work ethic and developed a floater.. I know it isnt the end all be all, but you know nothing about his work ethic.
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I am in agreement with you on this. When I watched him I saw a fierce competitor. He seems very intense to me. Stats do not tell the whole story and I think this is specifically true in college where different coaches are known for their "system". And although I think that Howland was a very good coach, his system was not ideal for a lot of his players. (And their stats)

I think Olshey knows what type of player Shabazz can be. Hopefully a few Euros jump into the top 9 and Shabazz drops to us. I doubt it though.
 
Ross (Ireland)

McLemore vs Oladipo?
Chad Ford (1:44 PM)

NBA guys are leaning McLemore but I just spoke with Tim Hardaway Jr. yesterday and he had an interesting take. He played against both players this year (Oladipo twice) and said both were very tough. However, he felt Oladipo was the toughest because he could get you at both ends and you could never lose sight of him on the court.
 
I saw this in a mock draft:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...und-predictions-with-potential-trades/page/24

2013 NBA Mock Draft: Full 1st-Round Predictions with Potential Trades

BY JONATHAN WASSERMAN (NBA LEAD WRITER) ON MAY 15, 2013 7,341 reads 22
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TRADE: 23. Portland Trail Blazers (via Indiana): Dario Saric, Croatio, 6'10'', F
Trade

Portland Trail Blazers receive: Danny Granger, No. 23 pick overall

Indiana Pacers receive: Wesley Matthews, Myers Leonard, Joel Freeland, No. 39 pick overall, No. 40 pick overall

What do you know? Another blockbuster deal on a wild NBA draft night.

In this deal, Portland gives up three role players and a couple of second-rounders. In return, they get Danny Granger, who if healthy, could give the Blazers the go-to scorer they're looking for. They also get a first-round pick at No. 23.

Granger has become somewhat expendable to Indiana with the team excelling in his absence. Here, they get a new starting shooting guard in Wesley Matthews, a young prospect in Myers Leonard, a potential rotation player in Joel Freeland and a couple of picks later in the draft.

With this pick for Portland, they select Dario Saric of Croatia, a 6'10'' combo forward who can put it on the floor and rebound inside. He's got substantial upside thanks to his versatility, and could give Portland depth up front, which they currently lack.

Portland is always well-versed when it comes to scouting international prospects. Saric would be a good fit at No. 23.

A lineup of Damian Lillard at the point, Danny Granger playing big at the 2, Nicolas Batum at the 3 and LaMarcus Aldridge at the 4 sounds good to me.
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Danny has knee issues, pushing 30, and on a big contract.

No freaking way.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Actually, his contract expires after next season.
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So would that allow us to be a player in next years free agent market? Or would other contracts eat up that cap room that Granger's expiring contract opens? Im not saying I like Granger but one year of him to allow us to be a player in what is supposed to be a good free agent market is interesting. His contract is a little over 14 million next year.
 
Boise Blazer said:
So would that allow us to be a player in next years free agent market? Or would other contracts eat up that cap room that Granger's expiring contract opens? Im not saying I like Granger but one year of him to allow us to be a player in what is supposed to be a good free agent market is interesting. His contract is a little over 14 million next year.
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So we'd be trading our starting SG and two promising young bigs for an expiring contract with gimpy knees? I think I'll pass.
 
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A 17 y/o Steve Adams with Dwight.

He made Dieng look small earlier this season. Probably the best size of any C this draft.
 
That's way too much to give up. Otherwise I'm fine with him.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
A 17 y/o Steve Adams with Dwight.

He made Dieng look small earlier this season. Probably the best size of any C this draft.
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I would not be opposed to the Blazers trading up for another 1st round pick and picking him up. Seems like he's solid rebounding/defense center prospect; I'd like to see him and Leonard sharpen one another.

Wait, I don't think that came out right...
 
I would much rather have us picking Shabazz (a poor man's Harden) than Tim Hardaway (a poor man's Harrison Barnes)...
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So we'd be trading our starting SG and two promising young bigs for an expiring contract with gimpy knees? I think I'll pass.
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I don't necessarily think that we should do the trade, but seriously, LOL at "two promising young bigs."
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I don't necessarily think that we should do the trade, but seriously, LOL at "two promising young bigs."
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I'm sorry that you don't see potential in Leonard and Freeland. I do.
 
Who's that older guy they usually have on talkin ball? I think he primarily covers college hoops.

Last year he predicted the blazers should take Lillard months before the draft.

His last time on a few months ago he made a similar 'suggestion' with Steven Adams.
 
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