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MickZagger said:
To be fair Jae Crowder played a lot better this year than a lot of players taken in the lottery.

I think Wage of Wins is almost like the bible of the draft. Pretty legit.
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I like 'em because they're contrarians. They absolutely hated Drummond and Barnes last year, though.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I like 'em because they're contrarians. They absolutely hated Drummond and Barnes last year, though.
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They weren't alone. I'm not sold on Drummond and I still think Barnes has Richard Jefferson in his prime type of ceiling.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Yes, that's right. Now go ahead and list 12 players from the last draft that are better than Crowder.
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Better in that they made an immediate impact? Or that you'd still want them for their upside, even if they might be a year away? Crowder was someone who could come in and play a mediocre role immediately. You don't take guys like that in the lottery when the upside is fairly limited.

But I'd happily take Davis, Drummond, Lillard,Barnes, Beal, MKG, Leonard, Henson, Harkless, Fournier, Jenkins over him as better players right now and would still take Ross, Lamb, Marshall, Nicholson, Waiters and likely a few others over him.
 
For all the hype that Barnes got he was still just an 11 PER rookie.
 
RR7 said:
Better in that they made an immediate impact? Or that you'd still want them for their upside, even if they might be a year away? Crowder was someone who could come in and play a mediocre role immediately. You don't take guys like that in the lottery when the upside is fairly limited.

But I'd happily take Davis, Drummond, Lillard,Barnes, Beal, MKG, Leonard, Henson, Harkless, Fournier, Jenkins over him as better players right now and would still take Ross, Lamb, Marshall, Nicholson, Waiters and likely a few others over him.
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What makes you think Crowder is a finished product? Because he's undersized?
 
Everything i'm reading about Victor Oladipo makes me really hope we move up to get him. The guy doesn't have "star" written on him but he is reminding me a lot of Loul Deng, a player who isn't a star but might make a few all-star games but is tough and a physical defender who will top 10 at his position and be your starter for years and years. Would love to pair him next to Lillard for the foreseeable future.
I'd still like to move the pick for a good center not named "McGee or Jordan" but i'd be just as happy to move up and nab Oladipo.
 
MickZagger said:
What makes you think Crowder is a finished product? Because he's undersized?
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I didn't say finished product, just limited upside. He can improve a bit, just don't see him having a big role. 8th man type. And while there's little risk in taking him, because he has an ok floor, you can also find those guys in round 2 or undrafted often enough that I wouldn't use a lottery pick on him. He just doesn't stand out to me a someone you use a lottery pick on when you can get some portion of him by going with a guy like Draymond Green in 2. I'd rather gamble on upside in the lotto and be wrong than use a lotto pick on him. Just my opinion.
 
RR7 said:
But I'd happily take Davis, Drummond, Lillard,Barnes, Beal, MKG, Leonard, Henson, Harkless, Fournier, Jenkins over him as better players right now and would still take Ross, Lamb, Marshall, Nicholson, Waiters and likely a few others over him.
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Those are... pretty good choices!
I wouldn't put Leonard, Harkless, Jenkins in your first group, and I'd say it's too early to tell with your second group.

Okay, so who was more right about Crowder: Wages of Wins who overrated him, or NBA GMs who had him drop out of the first round entirely?

And can any of those guys do THIS?
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MickZagger said:
For all the hype that Barnes got he was still just an 11 PER rookie.
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Barnes benefited hugely from the attention paid to Thompson and Curry. He's a bog-standard Ariza type (dunks and three pointers, tries hard on D, doesn't do much else), when he was supposed to be a Paul Pierce.
 
Barnes will be 100x the player Ariza is.

Barnes played his best basketball in the playoffs, averaging 16pts/G on 44% shooting as a 20-year-old rookie. He had a better showing in the playoffs than Klay Thompson.

David Lee going out gave him more opportunities. Hard to get those behind Curry/Klay/Lee/Jack/Landry in the regular season.

Barnes will shine.
 
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Rhal said:
Everything i'm reading about Victor Oladipo makes me really hope we move up to get him. The guy doesn't have "star" written on him but he is reminding me a lot of Loul Deng, a player who isn't a star but might make a few all-star games but is tough and a physical defender who will top 10 at his position and be your starter for years and years. Would love to pair him next to Lillard for the foreseeable future.
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I know next to nothing about Oladipo other than the draft scouting, but picking him as high as has been suggested seems like a huge gamble. Think about it for a minute, how many elite defenders came into the league as top prospects? Guys like Artest, Rondo, Sefolosha, Tony Allen, Marc Gasol, Bruce Bowen, Ben Wallace, and even our own Wesley Mathews, tend to be second round picks or undrafted (or pretty much written off among first rounders, like with Rondo). And the big name guys like LeBron and Duncan who are great defenders were even better on offense, so they were can't miss prospects.

Drafting for defense and hoping for offense to develop, you're as likely to find a Corey Brewer as you are a Russell Westbrook! I've always felt that you don't draft shooters high, but defense looks like just as big of a risk. Save those specialists for late in the draft.
 
Looking at who teams are rumored to like I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Kentavious Caldwell-Pope at #10. The Wolves are also very high on him at #9.

The LOLcats are very interested in Bennett. That would ba an odd c/PF rotation -- Bennett and Biyombo.
 
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RoyToy said:
Barnes will be 100x the player Ariza is.

Barnes played his best basketball in the playoffs, averaging 16pts/G on 44% shooting as a 20-year-old rookie. He had a better showing in the playoffs than Klay Thompson.

David Lee going out gave him more opportunities. Hard to get those behind Curry/Klay/Lee/Jack/Landry in the regular season.

Barnes will shine.
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Shine in the same way Rich Jeff did.
 
handiman said:
I know next to nothing about Oladipo other than the draft scouting, but picking him as high as has been suggested seems like a huge gamble. Think about it for a minute, how many elite defenders came into the league as top prospects? Guys like Artest, Rondo, Sefolosha, Tony Allen, Marc Gasol, Bruce Bowen, Ben Wallace, and even our own Wesley Mathews, tend to be second round picks or undrafted (or pretty much written off among first rounders, like with Rondo). And the big name guys like LeBron and Duncan who are great defenders were even better on offense, so they were can't miss prospects.

Drafting for defense and hoping for offense to develop, you're as likely to find a Corey Brewer as you are a Russell Westbrook! I've always felt that you don't draft shooters high, but defense looks like just as big of a risk. Save those specialists for late in the draft.
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Oladipo is more talented offensively than all those guys you mentioned.
 
Hammersticks and Rasta, I like your gumption in this thread keep it up gentleman.
 
RoyToy said:
Barnes will be 100x the player Ariza is.
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Wow.

Barnes played his best basketball in the playoffs, averaging 16pts/G on 44% shooting as a 20-year-old rookie. He had a better showing in the playoffs than Klay Thompson.
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Barnes filled his role well. His role was "hit the open shots because they're throwing everything at Curry and Thompson." Which is why Klay Thompson didn't do so great.

David Lee going out gave him more opportunities. Hard to get those behind Curry/Klay/Lee/Jack/Landry in the regular season.
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Oh yes, that's right: he was being played at PF! That's not really viable going forward, is it? I agree that not many NBA PFs can stay with Barnes. He did pretty well against Matt Bonner. But somehow I don't think he'd be being guarded by Matt Bonner if he was viewed as a real threat.

Barnes will shine.
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We shall see.
 
MickZagger said:
Oladipo is more talented offensively than all those guys you mentioned.
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If you say so... The scouting reports on him all make that sound quite questionable. Tony Allen and Ben Wallace notwithstanding, of course.
 
handiman said:
If you say so... The scouting reports on him all make that sound quite questionable. Tony Allen and Ben Wallace notwithstanding, of course.
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The only scouting report I need is what my eyes relay to my brain when I watch him play. He ain't no chopped liver.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Wow.
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Just admit the Ariza comparison was bad. He'll be much better than Ariza.

Barnes filled his role well. His role was "hit the open shots because they're throwing everything at Curry and Thompson." Which is why Klay Thompson didn't do so great.
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He did a great job filling his role all season long, which is why he started and averaged 25min a game as a 20-year-old rookie for a coach that doesn't just give minutes out. Then came the playoffs, Lee went down, and suddenly Barnes played a bigger role and averaged 16ps/G, ranking 3rd for GS in the playoffs.

Oh yes, that's right: he was being played at PF! That's not really viable going forward, is it? I agree that not many NBA PFs can stay with Barnes. He did pretty well against Matt Bonner. But somehow I don't think he'd be being guarded by Matt Bonner if he was viewed as a real threat.
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Barnes averaged 38min per game in the playoffs. Bonner played a combined like 50min in the whole series. Yup, it was all against Bonner :crazy:

We shall see.
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We are all witnesses.
 
MickZagger said:
DX has Larkin as a 1st rounder now.
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Three weeks ago we posed the question and raised the possibility of Miami point guard Shane Larkin rising the charts and becoming a lottery pick this June. It may have seemed a little far-fetched at the time, but it doesn't anymore.
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-ESPNinsider

If we were to land the DAL pick he definitely would be my choice. Ford (with David Locke) both have said the same thing as well. They think after workouts Larkin and Pope will be the biggest risers.
 
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MickZagger said:
We have depth problems. If its a late 2nd I'm fine with it. I'm kinda intrigued by this Nate Wolters kid though if we have a late 2nd. I watched him a couple years ago go into Hec Ed and whoop the shit outta UW.
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Bump.

From post #322 in this thread.
 
If we could land Crabbe with one of our 2nd's that would friggin awesome!
 
RoyToy said:
Just admit the Ariza comparison was bad. He'll be much better than Ariza.



He did a great job filling his role all season long, which is why he started and averaged 25min a game as a 20-year-old rookie for a coach that doesn't just give minutes out. Then came the playoffs, Lee went down, and suddenly Barnes played a bigger role and averaged 16ps/G, ranking 3rd for GS in the playoffs.



Barnes averaged 38min per game in the playoffs. Bonner played a combined like 50min in the whole series. Yup, it was all against Bonner :crazy:



We are all witnesses.
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The thing about Barnes this playoffs that really makes you have to take a look at the film and not just stats is that SA chose that person as the person to try and beat them by putting Tony Parker on him for huge parts of games. SA pretty much said they would rather barnes score then either of Curry/Thompson.

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