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Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 1m
I would not be surprised if the Pistons traded their first-round pick. Don't get the sense of any clarity at no. 8 at the moment
 
Rick Noland MG/CT ‏@RickNoland 25s
not saying he's who i'd take, but hearing #AlexLen will go No. 1 if @Cavs don't trade pick, and trade seems unlikely

I still say Len, Thompson, #19 and the additional cap space is more valuable than Aldridge. Hell we could easily sign Paul Milsap plus a damn good wing with the money we'd have.
 
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 3m
First decent trade rumble of draft week: Deng to Wiz in deal for No. 3 pick? It's been explored. @TrueHoop link: http://es.pn/18bkn3l

Something to keep in mind.......Deng was one of the three players Bucher mentioned in his article, along with LaMarcus Aldridge. Maybe there are some embers (no homo) with this smoke?
 
Jerry Zgoda ‏@JerryZgoda 31s
Flip says there's one guy he wouldn't touch based on guys' attitude during Target Center workout visits

That would be some juicy info to know.
 
Yes, that would be tempting

"Scary" would be the word I would use. Considering our history, if we trade our healthy all star PF for the #1 pick and then choose an injured center with that pick, it has disaster written all over it.

I am not saying it is completely idiotic, just that it would be scary as hell.
 
I still say Len, Thompson, #19 and the additional cap space is more valuable than Aldridge. Hell we could easily sign Paul Milsap plus a damn good wing with the money we'd have.

And going to the other thread, about being close to being a good playoff team, where does this get us in that regards? Needing great defenders or pure stars, we get neither in return for Aldridge.
 
Jerry Zgoda ‏@JerryZgoda 31s
Flip says there's one guy he wouldn't touch based on guys' attitude during Target Center workout visits

That would be some juicy info to know.

Could be yet another smoke screen. Maybe he is floating it out there for Detroit who is rumored to be interested in drafting a similar player. (SG)
 
And going to the other thread, about being close to being a good playoff team, where does this get us in that regards? Needing great defenders or pure stars, we get neither in return for Aldridge.

I may not be understanding your question right, but how does picking Len, Noel or Oladipo not qualify for great defender, with a chance for "pure (LMA-level) star?"
 
I may not be understanding your question right, but how does picking Len, Noel or Oladipo not qualify for great defender, with a chance for "pure (LMA-level) star?"

Brian, I'll just agree to disagree with you. You've 100% written off any chance of LMA sticking around here when he is a free agent, but also seems like you write off anybody improving individually on the team, so you take current roster, and add meh MLE, an meh draft. So you can feel free to go 100% negative on the side you don't want. I'll say adding two injury prone bigs will set the team back as much as Oden did, and we'd have to well overpay with any cap space to get anybody here. But not anybody worthwhile, they'll be Hedo type of overpays. Then, we'll hobble in mediocrity, likely be slightly off from getting Wiggins, settle for an ok prospect, and bounce around in our same level of mediocrity with no true #1 star until we have these conversation about Lillard.
 
ideally the centerpiece of any deal involving our all star pf is an injured center

we have such great luck with that
 
And going to the other thread, about being close to being a good playoff team, where does this get us in that regards? Needing great defenders or pure stars, we get neither in return for Aldridge.

So you know for a fact that Len or #19 won't be stars?

The way I see it, we know what Aldridge is. Is is a very nice big who is a complimentary player. Just like Milsap. So we take a very slight step back at PF from Aldridge to Milsap, but also add Len, Thompson and #19.

As for Len, I personally think he will a decent center, but I'd much rather have Grandmama Jr
 
But you're still adding complementary players there, and setting yourself up for more mediocrity.

Am curious, going forward, which team would everyone want to have, if you had to trade rosters, with Denver, Utah, and Cleveland currently. Which you think has the best shot of building to a title team.
 
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 3m
First decent trade rumble of draft week: Deng to Wiz in deal for No. 3 pick? It's been explored. @TrueHoop link: http://es.pn/18bkn3l

What an awful deal for WAS. Reminds me of when they gave up Rubio (or any other PG stud from the 09 draft) for up Foye and a washed up Mike Miller. Deng is better than either of those two, but by the time the rest of the team is ready to contribute, he sure will be washed up.
 
Interesting analysis from a scout:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...30624/2013-nba-draft-prospects/?sct=uk_t11_a1

a couple interesting excerpts:

Steven Adams, 7-foot center, Pittsburgh: "You see him work out and he does some things athletically at that size that are impressive. He's a funny kid. Different personality than we're used to dealing with. He had no clue how to play. Remember, he's from New Zealand. It's not like he came from Lithuania, where the culture centers around basketball. He grew up on a surfboard."

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, 6-6 guard, Georgia: "He takes tough shots, but he makes a lot of 'em. He can score in a multitude of ways. He scores really high in our analytical projections. His weight is a concern because he'll have to defend some of the stronger two guards, but that's about it. He's a great kid, just a southern nice guy, not overwhelmed by the process."

Ricardo Ledo, 6-6 guard, Providence: "I saw him in practice. He is very talented. He can slash, shoot the jump shot, pass the ball. He's got a chance to be special if he can play the point, but I don't know if he can think the game at that level. He's had a really tough life. He did a great job in our interview. Talked about some of the other guys in the draft, and he really nailed it."

C.J. McCollum, 6-3 guard, Lehigh: "Love the kid. Has intelligence and a little bit of toughness. He's not a true point guard, but he can play a little combo. He gets his own shot a lot for someone who doesn't look like he's blowing by people. His foot injury is no concern."
 
What an awful deal for WAS. Reminds me of when they gave up Rubio (or any other PG stud from the 09 draft) for up Foye and a washed up Mike Miller. Deng is better than either of those two, but by the time the rest of the team is ready to contribute, he sure will be washed up.

I agree. I checked to see how much Deng has played the last few years, and was surprised he has played as much as he has. He seems like he is always hurt. Either way I would not make that trade if I were Washington.
 
Brian, I'll just agree to disagree with you.
Fair enough.
You've 100% written off any chance of LMA sticking around here when he is a free agent, but also seems like you write off anybody improving individually on the team,
Not at all. I think many people on this team will improve with LMA gone.
so you take current roster, and add meh MLE, an meh draft.
If you can in any way offer a separate outcome, I'm all ears. But the FACT is that if all you do is use either the draft pick or cap space or both to get that "defensive big" that LMA so desperately has begged for repeatedly, then there is NO OTHER POSSIBLE WAY that you a) get a draft pick in 2014 without either trading one of the core or missing the playoffs, b) have more than the MLE in the summer of 2014, or c) have a lotto pick in 2015 unless you trade one of the core or miss the playoffs. That's not 100% negative, that's 100% FACT.
I'll say adding two injury prone bigs will set the team back as much as Oden did, and we'd have to well overpay with any cap space to get anybody here.
First, Thompson is not injury-prone. He's a young big who's averaging just about a double-double with a 16 PER. Second, I didn't say we HAD to draft Len or Noel, but let's be clear--neither one of them is as close to injury-prone as Roy was when we was drafted. Noel's had an ACL surgery that supposedly is recovering "perfectly". Len's stress fracture in his ankle was supposedly fixed with surgery, but I get it if you don't like taking injured centers. What about Oladipo or McLemore?

But not anybody worthwhile, they'll be Hedo type of overpays.
So we can use cap space this year to get someone who will make LMA stay, but we won't be able to use it in 2015 when he goes unless it's a hedo-type overpay? How does that make sense?
Then, we'll hobble in mediocrity, likely be slightly off from getting Wiggins, settle for an ok prospect, and bounce around in our same level of mediocrity with no true #1 star until we have these conversation about Lillard.
If you think a lineup of, say, Lillard/Oladipo/Batum/Thompson/(mediocre C) + lotto pick "slightly off from Wiggins" with Wes, Leonard, a full 2014 MLE, #10, and #19 off the bench is mediocre 2 years from now, then I don't know what to tell you. OR, if you think Lillard/(FA signing this year)/Batum/Thompson/Noel + lotto pick "slightly off from Wiggins" with Wes/Leonard/Claver/full 2014 MLE/#10/#19 is mediocre, then you're welcome to your opinion.

But I beg you to show me where there's even the remotest possibility that you can keep the Core 4, make the playoffs, and have any more additions to this team between now and July 1, 2015 that aren't a) this years #10 pick (and, to be fair, #39/40/45), b) ~11M in cap space, c) 2014 full MLE, d) 2015 draft pick. And obtw, somehow you need to spin a) and/or b) into a "defensive big" that will keep LMA from going to wherever he wants to go for nothing.
 
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Am curious, going forward, which team would everyone want to have, if you had to trade rosters, with Denver, Utah, and Cleveland currently. Which you think has the best shot of building to a title team.
None. But if I had to make a choice - CLE. Because it's so much easier to build a "contender" in the East. They could make one trade and be a Top 4 team in the East, and just hope the game breaks their way.
 
None. But if I had to make a choice - CLE. Because it's so much easier to build a "contender" in the East. They could make one trade and be a Top 4 team in the East, and just hope the game breaks their way.

swapping rosters just. You can't move us east. You swap rosters/cap space, etc.
 
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 6m
You can put @LuolDeng9 to the Wiz for @BigMek50 and the 3rd pick on ice. No chance
 

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