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BonesJones said:
Here's how I think we'll pursue it.
1st players contacted: Kevin Durant, Al Horford, Pau Gasol
-If we signed Al Horford for the max and kept our cap holds on Harkless($4M), Leonard($4M), and Crabbe($2.7M), wed have approximately $7M in cap space. We'd need to clear $20M to sign Durant, but we'd still pursue him hard. If he signed, we'd renounce Harkless, Leonard, and we'd trade Aminu, Vonleh + filler contracts for picks. We could still keep Crabbe. Signing Gasol for less would mean we wouldn't have to clear as much space and we could keep more guys.

Basically, we have the ability to keep Dame and CJ while adding any 2 of Kevin Durant, Al Horford, and Pau Gasol.
Therefore we don't have to prioritize them as in "We have to go after Horford for the most part instead of worrying about Durant..." We can go hard after all three of these guys, likely landing one without having to get rid of anybody, but being ready to do some cap gymnastics in case we strike gold and sign two.

The next wave of players will be interesting. I have no clue who the options will be after that.
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Man, don't do this. Adding Durant and Horford to this roster would make it... just don't do this. This is the sort of thing you'd probably do in 2k and find it difficult to believe you pulled this off.

I'm absolutely convinced we'd contact both. I'd say we have about 10% chance of getting Durant at best and 30% at Horford. Still this postseason has probably driven it up, they'd both know that we'd be contenders with either of them and proper favourites with both.
 
Sarni said:
Man, don't do this. Adding Durant and Horford to this roster would make it... just don't do this. This is the sort of thing you'd probably do in 2k and find it difficult to believe you pulled this off.

I'm absolutely convinced we'd contact both. I'd say we have about 10% chance of getting Durant at best and 30% at Horford. Still this postseason has probably driven it up, they'd both know that we'd be contenders with either of them and proper favourites with both.
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Obviously it's not likely at all, bit getting one would help get the other. If we landed Durant its likely we land one of Horford or Gasol
 
BonesJones said:
Obviously it's not likely at all, bit getting one would help get the other. If we landed Durant its likely we land one of Horford or Gasol
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Yep. Landing Durant would basically help land anyone. For Durant it's hard to tell what he'll do.

If Thunder crash out to Spurs then he may become disillusioned with his life at Thunder. They're not getting close to winning the championship. IMO it's pointless for him to move to a poor team like Lakers or even Wizards (it's off the table anyway from what I understand) because he's running out of time and will want to win the ring, he deserves it for his career. He will probably get an offer from Warriors but he'll know well that by moving there he virtually removes his chance of being THE hero, he'll be one of many stars, besides I'd probably expect Warriors to try to re-sign Barnes. Spurs rumours have been solid but it's again a case of him moving to a ready-made championship side and I'm not sure if fitting Leonard, Durant and Aldridge in one team is going to be that great. He will get max deal offers from Houston but he'd be absolutely mad to go there right now. At Portland he'd be the star along with Lillard and Lillard would help him much more than Westbrook does IMO. He'd also have another good supporting cast player in CJ plus if we manage to pull it off also a good big man in someone like Horford. I'm not sure if he's after big market, he's spent years living in Oklahoma City which is not exactly a huge market. Would he win the title at Portland? It's not guaranteed by any stretch of imagination but he'd be more likely to do so than he's at Thunder IMO.

It's not likely at all that he will be at Portland next season but I could see the line of reason that could convince him to come there. As I said it's a 10% chance but great teams are built on that.
 
Would love to see Okafor become a Blazer.
He's exactly what we need down low - someone our guards can drop it down to - someone who can actually score the ball consistently down low.

Don't know if we can land him, but Okafor added to this squad; it just feels right when I do 'the gut check'.
 
WillG said:
Would love to see Okafor become a Blazer.
He's exactly what we need down low - someone our guards can drop it down to - someone who can actually score the ball consistently down low.

Don't know if we can land him, but Okafor added to this squad; it just feels right when I do 'the gut check'.
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Defense though. McCollum and Lillard are soft on defensive side, you add a center who is not quite there defensively and it might be a bit tough. Then again if you also manage to pull off a Horford then it's suddenly starting to make more sense.

I'd expect Philadelphia to ask for a significant price for Okafor and I really do not want us to give up on CJ. A 3-team trade involving Plumlee and a pick could be the best bet here.
 
To compete with GS, we need a big time PF/C. That's the only counter not only for them, but also our general floor geometry.

Is there anyway at all for us to get Boogie?
 
yuyuza1 said:
To compete with GS, we need a big time PF/C. That's the only counter not only for them, but also our general floor geometry.

Is there anyway at all for us to get Boogie?
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Would have to give up on CJ, Plumlee, possibly also Crabbe and throw in a pick I'd think.
 
yea that's the crappy part about it, even though league wide his value might be lower than you would think, its clear that his value to the kings is high, otherwise they wouldn't be changing coaches like they have been. for us to keep as much as we can, and still make that happen I would think we need another team involved. someone blowing it up that would take a few semi-projects from us for cap space, they move a larger contract or two of better established players to the kings, we get boogie.
 
No way the Blazers have a shot at KD. If they don't win it all, he's headed East or to gravy train with a contender like the Spurs or Warriors.

Plan A: I'd go all in for Whiteside or Howard (who quietly had a solid series against the Warriors while the rest of his team melted down). Both players are needed rim protectors as well as elite rebounders (both tied fro #3 regular season).

Plan B: Horford or Ryan Anderson.
 
craigehlo said:
No way the Blazers have a shot at KD. If they don't win it all, he's headed East or to gravy train with a contender like the Spurs or Warriors.

Plan A: I'd go all in for Whiteside or Howard (who quietly had a solid series against the Warriors while the rest of his team melted down). Both players are needed rim protectors as well as elite rebounders (both tied fro #3 regular season).

Plan B: Horford or Ryan Anderson.
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I'd much rather have Horford here than Howard to be fair.
 
Sarni said:
I'd much rather have Horford here than Howard to be fair.
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People have personal feeling about Howard from his Rockets tenure mainly. I like his ability to rebound on the offensive glass and rim protect at an elite level.

Horford is solid, but I he's no where near the rebounder Howard is (12 vs 7 RPG).
 
Yeah I don't see how Horford makes Portland a contender. It seems like a "safe" move. He does a lot of things well, but he's not really a rim protector, nor is he a go to scorer.

Dwight is riskier, but comes with game changing ability. That being said, I'd rather go after Whiteside. Younger, cheaper, better.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
PG: Lillard
SG: McCollum
SF: Aminu*
PF:
C: Plumlee

I look at what he brings I believe Aminu should be backing up SF and mostly PF - like how Dallas used him. He's WAY too inconsistent to be relied on as a starter.
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Yes, he's too limited offensively. This year, he's done a decent job overall hitting his open 3s, but it's unreliable. And you have to look away whenever he handles the ball. And for example, remember that wide open mid range shot he had last night, it was like a 15 footer and he didn't even hit the rim.

I think Harkless could be a starter at forward though, as long as we pair him with a stretch 4 like Ryan Anderson. I'd also try and find an upgrade over Plumlee.
 
We have GOT to get a rim protector. We need what Tyson Chandler was to the Mavs when they won the title. I did really want Nerlens Noel, but then I read this. Ian Mahinmi would make sense but isn't a free agent (and why would the Pacers give him up?). Festus Ezeli looks like he's going to get big offers too. Cut rate versions would be Cole Aldrich or maybe Ekpe Udoh or Kyle Hines. My dark horse candidate is Joakim Noah. He's getting long in the tooth and broken down, but he's a FA and is pissed at their coach, and he's a great passer, so would fit with Stotts' system. But I've said all this before...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
We have GOT to get a rim protector. We need what Tyson Chandler was to the Mavs when they won the title. I did really want Nerlens Noel, but then I read this. Ian Mahinmi would make sense but isn't a free agent (and why would the Pacers give him up?). Festus Ezeli looks like he's going to get big offers too. Cut rate versions would be Cole Aldrich or maybe Ekpe Udoh or Kyle Hines. My dark horse candidate is Joakim Noah. He's getting long in the tooth and broken down, but he's a FA and is pissed at their coach, and he's a great passer, so would fit with Stotts' system. But I've said all this before...
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Ian Mahinmi is a free agent this summer.
 
Go after Durant and Horford hard

Dame/Roberts
CJ/Crabbe
Durant/Aminu
Leonard/Harkless/Vonleh
Horford/Plumlee/Davis

Dammmmnnn!!!
 
Don't have enough money to sign two max free agents.
 
Horford makes something extreme like 40 MIL more over the life of the contract if he stays with ATL and they give him the extra year (Which they will). Hard to turn that down.
 
Nene?
 
Some realizations that I think we've come to recognize from watching the playoffs:

1. Plumlee is simply too limited offensively. His passing is great, but he can't shoot, he's not a great finisher, and he has no confidence around the hoop. He should realistically be coming off the bench.

2. Ed Davis is a better player than Plumlee coming off the bench.

3. CJ is not a point guard. When Dame is not in the game, CJ looks for his own shot. Between CJ and Hendo, the ball completely stops moving. The problem is that CJ is supposed to be our point guard.

4. Aminu and Harkless are essentially the same player, although they defend different positions.

5. Vonleh is too raw to start or count on for big minutes.

6. Crabbe is going to get paid.

I look at Plumlee and I see a guy that needs to be coming off the bench. The problem is that we have Meyers and Ed, and frankly I'd rather have Ed getting the minutes. Right now, I'd pair up Plumlee and Vonleh and try to trade them for something of need.

We need a high quality power forward or center. Someone that can score, either from the post or as a stretch four.

Step 1: If I'm Neil, I'm at Whiteside's door at 12:01 AM. He fits our window. He's a rim protector. He's perfect for what we need.

Step 2: I'm calling Atlanta and I'm offering Plumlee, Vonleh, and Aminu for Millsap. They need to blow that team up.

Step 3: Re-sign Crabbe, Harkless, and Meyers.

Step 4: If we have any money left, make a pitch to Delly to be our backup point guard.

Dame/Delly
CJ/Montero (I want to see him get some minutes)
Harkless/Crabbe
Millsap/Davis
Whiteside/Meyers
 
List of FA's to look at this summer:

Al Horford UFA (ATL)
Kevin Durant UFA (OKC)
Kirk Hinrich UFA (ATL)
Evan Turner UFA (BOS)
Jarred Sullinger RFA (BOS)
Jeremy Lin UFA (CHA)
Pau Gasol UFA (P) (CHI)
Timofey Mozgov UFA (CLV)
David Lee UFA (DAL)
Chandler Parsons UFA (P) (DAL)
Dwight Howard UFA (P) (HOU)
Jordan Hill UFA (IND)
Ian Mahinmi UFA (IND)
Cole Aldrich UFA (P) (LAC)
Jeff Green UFA (LAC)
Chris Anderson UFA (DEN)
Hassan Whiteside UFA (MIA)
Luol Deng UFA (MIA)
Ryan Anderson UFA (NOP)
Jason Smith UFA (ORL)
Nerlens Noel RFA (PHI)
Boban Marjonovic RFA (SAN)
Nene UFA (WAS)
 
Natebishop3 said:
Some realizations that I think we've come to recognize from watching the playoffs:

1. Plumlee is simply too limited offensively. His passing is great, but he can't shoot, he's not a great finisher, and he has no confidence around the hoop. He should realistically be coming off the bench.

2. Ed Davis is a better player than Plumlee coming off the bench.

3. CJ is not a point guard. When Dame is not in the game, CJ looks for his own shot. Between CJ and Hendo, the ball completely stops moving. The problem is that CJ is supposed to be our point guard.

4. Aminu and Harkless are essentially the same player, although they defend different positions.

5. Vonleh is too raw to start or count on for big minutes.

6. Crabbe is going to get paid.

I look at Plumlee and I see a guy that needs to be coming off the bench. The problem is that we have Meyers and Ed, and frankly I'd rather have Ed getting the minutes. Right now, I'd pair up Plumlee and Vonleh and try to trade them for something of need.

We need a high quality power forward or center. Someone that can score, either from the post or as a stretch four.

Step 1: If I'm Neil, I'm at Whiteside's door at 12:01 AM. He fits our window. He's a rim protector. He's perfect for what we need.

Step 2: I'm calling Atlanta and I'm offering Plumlee, Vonleh, and Aminu for Millsap. They need to blow that team up.

Step 3: Re-sign Crabbe, Harkless, and Meyers.

Step 4: If we have any money left, make a pitch to Delly to be our backup point guard.

Dame/Delly
CJ/Montero (I want to see him get some minutes)
Harkless/Crabbe
Millsap/Davis
Whiteside/Meyers
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just say no to delly
that's a dude I cant stand, and I don't think he is actually that good anyway

as stupid as he can be sometimes
I would rather have Linsanity in rip city than Delly
 
Chris Craig said:
List of FA's to look at this summer:

Al Horford UFA (ATL)
Kevin Durant UFA (OKC)
Kirk Hinrich UFA (ATL)
Evan Turner UFA (BOS)
Jarred Sullinger RFA (BOS)
Jeremy Lin UFA (CHA)
Pau Gasol UFA (P) (CHI)
Timofey Mozgov UFA (CLV)
David Lee UFA (DAL)
Chandler Parsons UFA (P) (DAL)
Dwight Howard UFA (P) (HOU)
Jordan Hill UFA (IND)
Ian Mahinmi UFA (IND)
Cole Aldrich UFA (P) (LAC)
Jeff Green UFA (LAC)
Chris Anderson UFA (DEN)
Hassan Whiteside UFA (MIA)
Luol Deng UFA (MIA)
Ryan Anderson UFA (NOP)
Jason Smith UFA (ORL)
Nerlens Noel RFA (PHI)
Boban Marjonovic RFA (SAN)
Nene UFA (WAS)
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From this list, the only guys I'd even hope Neil would consider:

Al Horford UFA (ATL) - I think this is a reasonable target
Kevin Durant UFA (OKC) - I sincerely doubt he'd come here.... but part of me hopes we try
Evan Turner UFA (BOS) - I like Turner. I actually think he'd fit in here perfectly. He can't shoot very well though.
Jarred Sullinger RFA (BOS) - RFA and I think Boston matches
Jeremy Lin UFA (CHA) - eh....
Pau Gasol UFA (P) (CHI) - I like Pau. I think he'd be great. I think he signs with the Spurs.
Timofey Mozgov UFA (CLV) - meh
Jordan Hill UFA (IND)
Ian Mahinmi UFA (IND) - I like Mahinmi, not a bad guy to go after
Cole Aldrich UFA (P) (LAC)
Hassan Whiteside UFA (MIA)
Luol Deng UFA (MIA)
Ryan Anderson UFA (NOP)
Jason Smith UFA (ORL)
Boban Marjonovic RFA (SAN)

Nerlens isn't a free agent.
 
CJ for Okafor might be worth it, though I think we might have to pony up more.

Though a step down, Hendo and Crabbe, and even Harkless can ably man the SG spot. And we get the inside scoring option we seem to need.
 
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