[ official ] 2016 summer moves

[Natebishop3]

fer real though
you watch this stuff here, dude plays a HELL of a lot bigger than he actually is

can he shoot free throws though?

I would be fine with either Biyombo or Mahinmi, BUT if we go that route for the center position, we need a scoring power forward.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

If we strikeout on the top guys, getting a combo of Pau (on a small yet large deal 2/60 with a PO) and Biyombo would be a good consolation prize.

 

[Natebishop3]

If we strikeout on the top guys, getting a combo of Pau (on a small yet large deal 2/60 with a PO) and Biyombo would be a good consolation prize.

Pau, or I'd like to make a run at ZBO. I know some people wouldn't be thrilled about having him back, but he has grown up a lot and he can still play. He'd be great on this team.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Pau, or I'd like to make a run at ZBO. I know some people wouldn't be thrilled about having him back, but he has grown up a lot and he can still play. He'd be great on this team.

I'd absolutely love ZBO! I'd offer Vonleh for him if they threw in a second rounder ASAP. Shit ZBO is dirt cheap too.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'd absolutely love ZBO! I'd offer Vonleh for him if they threw in a second rounder ASAP. Shit ZBO is dirt cheap too.

I'd rather send Plumlee. If you go out and sign Biyombo, then your rotation would be ZBO/Biymobo and Davis/Meyers or Davis/Vonleh.

Although, I would REALLY love to get Marc Gasol. I wonder if Plumlee/Vonleh/Aminu would be enough to get that done.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I'd rather send Plumlee. If you go out and sign Biyombo, then your rotation would be ZBO/Biymobo and Davis/Meyers or Davis/Vonleh.

Although, I would REALLY love to get Marc Gasol. I wonder if Plumlee/Vonleh/Aminu would be enough to get that done.

Marc Gasol's injuries and shot selection at times are worrisome, plus we would have to get rid of Meyers for sure lol

 

[Natebishop3]

Marc Gasol's injuries and shot selection at times are worrisome, plus we would have to get rid of Meyers for sure lol

It would obviously be contingent on his health.

 

[H.C.]

I believe the Celtics will go hard after Boogie. It's doubtful anyone can put together a better offer than they can.
I also believe the Sixers trade for Denis Schroder. They tried to do it before the deadline, and they went hard for him.
With the Celtics getting Boogie and the Sixers acquiring what they seem to feel is their pgotf...
That puts Okafor in play if the Sixers wish to trade him. If they do I don't think they're going to get a proven player like CJ has become. Okafor has some question marks and is far from proven in the NBA. He's all potential.
I don't know what other teams can offer.
But if the Blazers can put together a package of Crabbe + Harkless or Aminu + pick. I think it's a fairly decent offer.. It feels needs for the Sixers.
Schroder/Crabbe/Harkless or Aminu/Embiid/Noel.
To me that's a lineup that makes the playoffs in the east. If Embiid is really the superstar the Sixers believe he is perhaps it's even fighting for HCA.
If the Blazers pull it off they'd have a lineup of.
Lillard/CJ/Harkless or Aminu/Plumlee/Okafor

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

So, is there any dirty mean vets that will be cheap this year? That is one thing we need. We need that Tony Allen type guy.

 

[Natebishop3]

I believe the Celtics will go hard after Boogie. It's doubtful anyone can put together a better offer than they can.
I also believe the Sixers trade for Denis Schroder. They tried to do it before the deadline, and they went hard for him.
With the Celtics getting Boogie and the Sixers acquiring what they seem to feel is their pgotf...
That puts Okafor in play if the Sixers wish to trade him. If they do I don't think they're going to get a proven player like CJ has become. Okafor has some question marks and is far from proven in the NBA. He's all potential.
I don't know what other teams can offer.
But if the Blazers can put together a package of Crabbe + Harkless or Aminu + pick. I think it's a fairly decent offer.. It feels needs for the Sixers.
Schroder/Crabbe/Harkless or Aminu/Embiid/Noel.
To me that's a lineup that makes the playoffs in the east. If Embiid is really the superstar the Sixers believe he is perhaps it's even fighting for HCA.
If the Blazers pull it off they'd have a lineup of.
Lillard/CJ/Harkless or Aminu/Plumlee/Okafor

Crabbe/Harkless won't be tradeable until December, I think, if we re-sign them.

 

[H.C.]

Crabbe/Harkless won't be tradeable until December, I think, if we re-sign them.

yeah I don't really know anything about the trading rules.
I just think Okafor is in play. I'd rather have him than Monroe.
Really do think the Blazers will get one of those and slide Plumlee down to his more natural 4 position... well if he's not in the trade.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

We don't have many trade assets so I'll leave that option to others.

My order of preference for Free Agent signings is: Durant, LJames, Drummond, Whiteside, HBarnes, DeRozen.

 

[Natebishop3]

yeah I don't really know anything about the trading rules.
I just think Okafor is in play. I'd rather have him than Monroe.
Really do think the Blazers will get one of those and slide Plumlee down to his more natural 4 position... well if he's not in the trade.

You could sign and trade either of them, or Meyers, but I think they would have to go out as the solo asset. You can't package them with anyone else. So if a team REALLY wanted Crabbe, and we didn't want to overpay to keep him, we could sign-and-trade him for assets. That's about it though. And once they do sign, they're not trad-able until something like December of January.

 

[Schilly]

If we look at the GSW as a model to emulate this is what they run...

Scoring PG
Shooting SG
All Purpose SF
Tweener SF
Center
Bench is built on versatility. They don't have a true PF that plays.

Using that formula we kind of have a poor mans developing version of it

Scoring PG - Lillard
Shooting SG - McCollum
All Purpose SF - Harkless
Tweener SF - Aminu
Center - Plumlee

I think this lineup suits Stott's system very well. The big difference between the Blazers and Warriors is the Warriors are better at every single position. the 2 SF positions in particular are lacking in the abiligty to shoot the ball. The other thing is the Warriors don't have a "Dominant" post presence on offense, Neither do the Clippers or Thunder. We need someone who can score in the paint but it can be like the way Draymond Green does. So evaluating the FA market I'm looking less for the "Traditional" position fits and more for the New Warriors age fits.

Also in terms of FA, Portland has a rare alignment of circumstances. Runner up COY, EOY. MIP, articles and reputation of Lillard being one of the best pure leaders in the league. The 2nd best backcourt in the league, 3rd youngest roster in the league, a team on the upswing, fantastic well known chemistry, a solid core and max $$$ to spend (like everyone else unfortunately)... But essentially aside from Market size, which is having less and less impact, the Trail Blazers have everything a FA would be looking for. Most teams are at the top stagnant, sliding down or at the bottom. Portland, Boston and Charlotte are the 3 teams already moving up. Agents see this as a massive positive. Portland is a buzz team and city.

 

[0-Our!]

I'm gonna TRY to be realistic

1. Trade Vonleh for Kyle Korver plus #44 overall pick and 2017 2nd round pick.

2. Draft Gary Payton II with #44 overall pick.

3. Sign Al Horford to super max.

4. Match Crabbe and Harkless, have Meyers sign the Qualifying Offer.

5. Extend CJ and Plumlee.

Dame / GP2
CJ / Crabbe / Montero / Patty
Aminu / Korver
Horford / Harkless / Alexander
Plumlee / Meyers-Davis

Not MAJOR changes but we get more offensive firepower. And a lot of different lineups to be thrown at others.

I like/agree w/ most of ^, w/ the exception of the ^ w/ Meyers; if u had Horford & Korver added, u don't need Meyers (not worth overpaying for him & situationally using him in limited time/games). In the above ^, the perfect fit is to keep Vonleh & develop him/let Horford mentor him (he'd b an awesome mentor!) & pick up a cheap good shot blocking big that can score some & plays pretty limited minutes that could step in IF Horford got into foul trouble or was injured (i.e. my #1 choice would b Boban Marjanovic).

 

[BonesJones]

By my calculations (here), we'll have a max of $45,340,064 to offer free agents if we renounce everybody not guaranteed. A max contract for a 0-7 yr vet will be approximately $27.6M. We won't have space to go after 2 max players.

Your cap holds noted above do not look correct. If we assume we are going to maintain our rights to Leonard ($7.6M), Harkless ($7.2M), Crabbe ($1.2M), Montero ($874K), and Alexander ($874K), then we have $27.4M in cap space. Just about enough to offer one max contract.

I thought the qualifying offer would count as their cap hold?

 

[Denny Crane]

If Okafor is anything like Durant this early then it would take Dame to get him not CJ and parts. Might as well of said Okafor was going to progress like Tim Duncan. Just throw out once in a lifetime comparisons.

CJ and parts may well do it. Something like that was had for Kevin Love, who almost certainly had huge trade value.

 

[illmatic99]

If we look at the GSW as a model to emulate this is what they run...

Scoring PG
Shooting SG
All Purpose SF
Tweener SF
Center
Bench is built on versatility. They don't have a true PF that plays.

Using that formula we kind of have a poor mans developing version of it

Scoring PG - Lillard
Shooting SG - McCollum
All Purpose SF - Harkless
Tweener SF - Aminu
Center - Plumlee

I think this lineup suits Stott's system very well. The big difference between the Blazers and Warriors is the Warriors are better at every single position. the 2 SF positions in particular are lacking in the abiligty to shoot the ball. The other thing is the Warriors don't have a "Dominant" post presence on offense, Neither do the Clippers or Thunder. We need someone who can score in the paint but it can be like the way Draymond Green does. So evaluating the FA market I'm looking less for the "Traditional" position fits and more for the New Warriors age fits.

Also in terms of FA, Portland has a rare alignment of circumstances. Runner up COY, EOY. MIP, articles and reputation of Lillard being one of the best pure leaders in the league. The 2nd best backcourt in the league, 3rd youngest roster in the league, a team on the upswing, fantastic well known chemistry, a solid core and max $$$ to spend (like everyone else unfortunately)... But essentially aside from Market size, which is having less and less impact, the Trail Blazers have everything a FA would be looking for. Most teams are at the top stagnant, sliding down or at the bottom. Portland, Boston and Charlotte are the 3 teams already moving up. Agents see this as a massive positive. Portland is a buzz team and city.

Problem is we are inferior at nearly every position in comparison to GS.

We gotta zig when every zags.

 

[BonesJones]

yea that's the crappy part about it, even though league wide his value might be lower than you would think, its clear that his value to the kings is high, otherwise they wouldn't be changing coaches like they have been. for us to keep as much as we can, and still make that happen I would think we need another team involved. someone blowing it up that would take a few semi-projects from us for cap space, they move a larger contract or two of better established players to the kings, we get boogie.

So for example?

Horford leaves Atlanta (maybe signs with us?)
Atlanta decides to blow it up

ATL Gets: Aminu, Plumlee, McLemore, Vonleh, 3 Future 1sts (POR&CLE 2018, Right To Swap POR 2020)
SAC Gets: Paul Millsap and Jeff Teague
POR Gets: DeMarcus Cousins

 

[BonesJones]

PG-All Around Scorer
SG-All Around Scorer
SF-All Around Scorer
PF-Defensive Stretch 4
C-Defensive Low Post Scorer

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So for example?

Horford leaves Atlanta (maybe signs with us?)
Atlanta decides to blow it up

ATL Gets: Aminu, Plumlee, McLemore, Vonleh, 3 Future 1sts (POR&CLE 2018, Right To Swap POR 2020)
SAC Gets: Paul Millsap and Jeff Teague
POR Gets: DeMarcus Cousins

You are a huge fan of threeways, aren't you?

 

[BonesJones]

You are a huge fan of threeways, aren't you?

I was going off of the parameters of the three way trade he said we'd have to do to get Cousins.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I was going off of the parameters of the three way trade he said we'd have to do to get Cousins.

Yeah I was just making a stupid joke about threesomes. But I don't think I've ever seen someone propose as many thee way trades as you have.

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah I was just making a stupid joke about threesomes. But I don't think I've ever seen someone propose as many thee way trades as you have.

I could get defensive but...

You're probably right lol

 

[KeepOnRollin]

CJ and parts may well do it. Something like that was had for Kevin Love, who almost certainly had huge trade value.

I wouldn't do CJ plus parts. But if you are saying this guy has trade value of those players like Love then they are the ones who would hang up. Love deal had Wiggins who was a number 1 pick, another number 1 pick player and Thaddeus Young who isn't too shabby and I would love to have on our team.

 

[42N8Bounce]

And in your opinion, which of those players you mentioned puts us at a different level? Of the one's who realistically would come here. Horford is a guy that would seem to be a good fit in name, but does his game translate to what the Blazers do? He is pretty much a low post guy, although he did shoot about three 3 pointers per game this year at a good clip. Is he going to be the equalizer for Aldridge, Griffin, Green? That's the level we need to get to. IMO, only 1 back court is better than ours offensively. I think what we need is a front court guy who can score in bunches if needed, but also play defense. That could be Horford? Maybe it's both Horford and DeRozen? People don't seem to want DeRozen because he can't shoot threes, but his true shooting % was a solid .550 and a 21.5 on the ever overused PER stat

There's not a lot of game changers out there. But I think Horford's game would blend perfectly with the Blazers existing squad.

Horford is one of the top passing big men out there, averaging 3.2 apg, and only 1.3 tpg. He's a very good rebounder at 7.3 rpg, along with 1.5 bpg. He's also got a eFG% of 54.7. He's a team player filling the gaps.

At age 29, he's heading into the decline of his career, but I think he has a few more good years left in the tank. With the young age of our existing squad, I think he would add some much needed veteran balance.

Does Horford make us a contender? Tough question. GSW and SAS are probably still on their own level. But I do think it puts the Blazers right in that second tier.

 

[42N8Bounce]

I thought the qualifying offer would count as their cap hold?

I thought so too at first, but I checked out a couple of sources and it looks like their cap hold is higher than their QO.

 

[BonesJones]

I thought so too at first, but I checked out a couple of sources and it looks like their cap hold is higher than their QO.

Well Crabbe's is lower. So that's a good thing there.

Thing is I don't want any of them on too expensive of a long term contract. I'm hoping we have $30-$40M in cap space next summer to go after Griffin, Ibaka, Millsap, and Hayward.

 

[Sinobas]

We don't have many trade assets so I'll leave that option to others.

My order of preference for Free Agent signings is: Durant, LJames, Drummond, Whiteside, HBarnes, DeRozen.

What do you like about Harrison Barnes though? I've never been impressed with him when we played the Warriors.

 

[Denny Crane]

I wouldn't do CJ plus parts. But if you are saying this guy has trade value of those players like Love then they are the ones who would hang up. Love deal had Wiggins who was a number 1 pick, another number 1 pick player and Thaddeus Young who isn't too shabby and I would love to have on our team.

More like Okafor is similar to Wiggins in that deal. I think Love was worth a LOT more in trade than CJ is now. The other number 1 pick in the deal was already a bust by the time of the trade.