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If Lebron left Cleveland again, how much more valuable is their 2018 protected pick? Would be worth a lot more or or only alittle more because Kyrie and Love are still there? I'd love to see us somehow trade our 2018 pick, their protected pick, and other surrounding pieces like plumlee or vonleh for Okafor, then go after Whiteside. Both guys from what I've seen can make a couple outside shots, I'd love to see Okafor in the post with Whiteside being able to hit a consistent midrange shot. Whiteside could mask okafors defensive liabilities and aminu could help mask Damian or CJs. Making crabbe a starter would even improve our defense greatly. Would CJ be okay with coming off the bench while still playing around 35 mins a game? A starting lineup of Lillard/Crabbe/Aminu/Okafor/Whiteside with CJ as 6th man would be pretty good.
 
Sinobas said:
What do you like about Harrison Barnes though? I've never been impressed with him when we played the Warriors.
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I was interested before, but not after, our series with GS. I'd rather have the players already on our team. Although he still may thrive somewhere else by getting out from under the Curry/Thompson/Green shadow.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why? Why would you give a big offer to the guy with the smallest cap hold? He's the reason why we can make a big offer to a free agent and still retain a young free agent. His cap hold is a few hundred thousand dollars.
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Luckily his agent will understand the timing and not hold it against Neil. I hope.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Amen; if Memphis blows it up I like the idea of signing ZBo to a welcome home contract; he's all those things and also dangerous on the court for 20 minutes.
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I would welcome ZBo back but the howls from local media would hurt my ears, LOL.
 
0-Our! said:
There's got to b another way, I'm not losin' Ed Davis (ESPECIALLY because he's awesome & I don't think he's done improving i.e. the 15lbs he's going to add AND the fact that he loves this group/playing here)! Can u imagine us WITH Horford, Mahinmi, Mason, Vonleh, AND Davis (don't forget Alexander!:ygrin:)? =BEAST! W/ ^ c/pf guys, we can play ultra aggressive/gamble on blocks ect. more bc these guys can come in for 1 another w/o much slippage when guys get into foul trouble; we get these guys... & we can put to rest the trade talks about CJ. I'm good w/ renouncing Henderson, Kaman and Leonard, np.

@ UKRAINEFAN you're right, Ed hasn't shown as much improvement as some of the others but to me, that doesn't matter that much for what we need from him IF we had all the ^ guys. Also, Davis is ~26 & Horford & Mahinmi r both 29; so we need younger guys to replace these 2 when they start to get too old, our current guys (Ed +) will improve & come into their own nicely @ that time & if they don't, we can talk trading them @ that time:wink:
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Well, there are lots of posts showing the cap situation. Maybe you can find something. Maybe there is some way to make a trade?Sometimes you gotta give up something to get something better.
 
Okay, I'm swinging for the fences on this and going beyond the Blazers to include some major changes from a few other teams.

My predictions over the next year going into the next post season are as follows:


1st Place.....GS with 66 wins. They don't make any real changes and lose in the conference Finals.
2nd Place...Clippers with 63 wins. They will make a move to improve their bench and will be healthy all year. This will be their best season, but will be bounced in the second round.
3rd Place...Blazers with 57 wins. How? Because NO pulled a rabbit out of his ass and convinced KD to come join the party and win big. KD makes this move because they only win one game againts GS this post season.
4th Place...Minnesota with 54 wins. Thibbs Thibbs Thibbs. He finally gets the cart turned in the right direction and its all about D.
5th Place...Lakers with 50 wins. Fuck the Lakers and Hollywood. With Kobe's money they make a couple moves to compliment their young core and surprise everyone by somehow getting D.Cousins and C. Anthony to join them. Fucking hate them!!!
6th Place... NO with 50 wins. This is the season AD wins MVP and NO makes the jump with AD finally playing in 70+ games.
7th Place...Utah with 48 wins. No major changes sand they are still a main piece away but are now stuff in purgatory with little growth left.
8th Place....Memphis with 47 wins. Conley walks, but they bring in Mozgov to help keep Gasol healthy. Also stuck in purgatory.

This seasons remaining post season:

GS beats OKC 4-1. Durant sees that Aldridge lost after leaving us and didn't do anything. HE then gets smoked by GS in the conference finals and sees the big picture. The best chance of beating GS is to join Portland.
GS beats Cleveland in 7 denying LBJ again. GS goes down as the greatest single season team ever., dethroning MJ's 70 win Bulls. However the majority of the public will always believer the Bulls would take GS.



Next seasons playoffs look like this:

GS sweeps memphis 4-0
Clippers beat Utah 4-2
Blazers beat NO 4-1
Minnesota beats the Lakers in 7

2nd Round:

GS beats Memphis 4-1
Blazers sweep the Clippers

And the series EVERYONE has been talking about since we lost this year.... The conference finals will be the Blazers vs GS. The rematch of this years second round. This will bring life back into the NBA like it hasn't seen in a while as the true David and Goliath storybook ending as we defeat them in 6 on our home court.

NBA finals

We lose in 6 to Cleveland. LBJ finally gets Cleveland a ring...however it will be his only one.

The following season 2017-2018, Blazers will dominate the west, winning the number 1 seed with 67 wins, besting GS by three and ride their home court all the way to a PARADE DOWNTOWN BABY!!!!!!!


Mark it. My wife owns a crystal ball and I inquired and so it will be!!!!
 
I don't know why people think Plumlee is going anywhere. Dude balled hard this season and knows what he needs to work on this summer. You'd be foolish to not wait at least until the trade deadline.

In my eyes these guys are a lock to be here when the regular season tips off next year.

Dame
CJ
Aminu
Harkless
Plumlee
Davis

Likely to be back
Crabbe


On the fence about whether team will bring them back
Henderson
Meyers
Rookie Scale guys


Possible trade bait
Roberts
Vonleh
Rookie Scale guys
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
I don't know why people think Plumlee is going anywhere. Dude balled hard this season and knows what he needs to work on this summer. You'd be foolish to not wait at least until the trade deadline.

In my eyes these guys are a lock to be here when the regular season tips off next year.

Dame
CJ
Aminu
Harkless
Plumlee
Davis

Likely to be back
Crabbe


On the fence about whether team will bring them back
Henderson
Meyers
Rookie Scale guys


Possible trade bait
Roberts
Vonleh
Rookie Scale guys
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Hey, In the time I quoted you, you changed it from what I thought I was quoting. This quote is different than the post above. lol.

I was going to say one of either Hendo or Crabbe is also a lock.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
I don't know why people think Plumlee is going anywhere. Dude balled hard this season and knows what he needs to work on this summer. You'd be foolish to not wait at least until the trade deadline.

In my eyes these guys are a lock to be here when the regular season tips off next year.

Dame
CJ
Aminu
Harkless
Plumlee
Davis
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I'd add Crabbe, and I could see Plumlee going out in trade if necessary.
 
BBert said:
I'd add Crabbe, and I could see Plumlee going out in trade if necessary.
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Interesting. I guess he could be considered our most valuable "expendable" piece, but I also think he will continue to improve which would warrant holding on to him.

Looking at his FG% it was actually at an all time low this year (roughly the same attempts), which I think is because he played around the rim so much with the Nets vs high pick and roll here. Then you look at his FT% (again roughly the same attempts) which went up from 50%-65%, and can't help but wonder if he has it in him to develop some kind of outside shot. Granted FT's are all about routine, and you'll rarely see the same shot twice in one game.

I think what it boils down to for Plums is the development of an outside shot. If he can develop that then he is worth keeping long term, if not then he is probably at his peak value right now.

TLDR: You're still somewhat buying into potential with Plumlee. I'd roll the dice on him and hope he develops a mid range game.
 
I can see both sides of it; the way our team is constructed, you'd only want to trade a rotation guy if you could get back an upgrade in talent or much better fit at the same position. Vucavic could be worth it.
 


This is definitely what I think when I watch Thon Maker play.
 
I think Olsheys Plan A will be to sign Horford and keep everyone except for Henderson, Kaman, and Roberts, while extending CJ. He'll then trade Plumlee for a young player and a future 1st, since we'll have a logjam of bigs, and letting Leonard go doesn't result in assets.

Lillard / McCollum (12)
McCollum (24) / Crabbe (24)
Aminu (30) / Harkless (12) / Crabbe (6)
Harkless (14) / Davis (22) / Vonleh (12)
Horford (32) / Leonard (16)

That's adding a star and letting the cake bake. If this lineup is competing for a top 2, NO will stand pat. However, if we let the cake bake, matching on Harkless, Crabbe, and Leonard while also giving CJ his extension will leave us no cap space for next year.

That's why Niel has to maximize all his assets, and can't let them go for nothing.

We'll have a lot of trade-able assets at the deadline, if a star becomes available.
We could possibly put together a good enough package out of Crabbe, Harkless, Vonleh, Leonard, Young Player from Trade, Picks (We'd have two extra 1sts) for someone like Cousins.
 
I dont think horford will sign with us. He already made it sound like he was dedicated to atlanta. We would be pulling a spurs like they did with aldridge to the atl fanbase. Why choose portland over toronto? They are in the ecf and missing him. Otherwise they are pretty complete and have an easier path to the finals in the east. I believe he also said he would love to go back to florida.

Id love horford, i just dont see it.

I dont necessarily like howard, but i would take him.and think hes much more likely.
 
I am surprised so many Blazer fans have Roberts leaving. As a mid-season pickup, Roberts had little, if any, time to train to be part of the regular rotation. If the price is right, he is well worth bringing back.
 
BonesJones said:
I think Olsheys Plan A will be to sign Horford and keep everyone except for Henderson, Kaman, and Roberts, while extending CJ. He'll then trade Plumlee for a young player and a future 1st, since we'll have a logjam of bigs, and letting Leonard go doesn't result in assets.

Lillard / McCollum (12)
McCollum (24) / Crabbe (24)
Aminu (30) / Harkless (12) / Crabbe (6)
Harkless (14) / Davis (22) / Vonleh (12)
Horford (32) / Leonard (16)

That's adding a star and letting the cake bake. If this lineup is competing for a top 2, NO will stand pat. However, if we let the cake bake, matching on Harkless, Crabbe, and Leonard while also giving CJ his extension will leave us no cap space for next year.

That's why Niel has to maximize all his assets, and can't let them go for nothing.

We'll have a lot of trade-able assets at the deadline, if a star becomes available.
We could possibly put together a good enough package out of Crabbe, Harkless, Vonleh, Leonard, Young Player from Trade, Picks (We'd have two extra 1sts) for someone like Cousins.
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JFizzleRaider said:
I dont think horford will sign with us.

I dont necessarily like howard, but i would take him.and think hes much more likely.
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Great post Bones. I hope Neil's first target is Horford, but I'm with JFizzleRaider, I'm guessing Howard is more likely.

By my cap calculations, the big difference is that Howard is a 10+ year vet, and qualifies for the 'super max' (35%), whereas Horford is a 9 year vet and qualifies for the 'standard' max (30%). If Dwight demands the supermax, I don't see how we could sign him and retain Leonard.

I'm also not 100% sold on Howard. But what the hell. If we could lure a top free agent like him, I say roll the dice.

If not Horford or Howard, I don't see Whiteside as an Olshey guy. I'm guessing his next targets will be less-than-max guys like Biyombo (age 23), Ezeli (age 26), and perhaps Mahinmi (age 29).
 
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42N8Bounce said:
Great post Bones. I hope Neil's first target is Horford, but I'm with JFizzleRaider, I'm guessing Howard is more likely.

By my cap calculations, the big difference is that Howard is a 10 year vet, and qualifies for the 'super max' (35%), whereas Horford is a 9 year vet and qualifies for the 'standard' max (30%). If Dwight demands the supermax, I don't see how we could sign him and retain Leonard.

I'm also not 100% sold on Howard. But what the hell. If we could lure a top free agent like him, I say roll the dice.

If not Horford or Howard, I don't see Whiteside as an Olshey guy. I'm guessing his next targets will be less-than-max guys like Biyombo (age 23), Ezeli (age 26), and perhaps Mahinmi (age 29).
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I've been thinking this too, but I'm not sure that Whiteside isn't somebody Olshey would target. If not any of those names then I think we've decided to stand pat.
 
It wouldnt surprise me to see neil do his due diligence with joakim noah if he strikes out on some of the others.
 
42N8Bounce said:
Great post Bones. I hope Neil's first target is Horford, but I'm with JFizzleRaider, I'm guessing Howard is more likely.

By my cap calculations, the big difference is that Howard is a 10 year vet, and qualifies for the 'super max' (35%), whereas Horford is a 9 year vet and qualifies for the 'standard' max (30%). If Dwight demands the supermax, I don't see how we could sign him and retain Leonard.

I'm also not 100% sold on Howard. But what the hell. If we could lure a top free agent like him, I say roll the dice.

If not Horford or Howard, I don't see Whiteside as an Olshey guy. I'm guessing his next targets will be less-than-max guys like Biyombo (age 23), Ezeli (age 26), and perhaps Mahinmi (age 29).
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I'm not taking Howard at a near max contract for more than a year. But if we do sign him, the logic still applies with Plumlee if were still gonna keep Leonard. Leonard and Plumlee are Cs, but Leonard can play with Davis and is a totally different look than Howard.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I dont think horford will sign with us. He already made it sound like he was dedicated to atlanta. We would be pulling a spurs like they did with aldridge to the atl fanbase. Why choose portland over toronto? They are in the ecf and missing him. Otherwise they are pretty complete and have an easier path to the finals in the east. I believe he also said he would love to go back to florida.

Id love horford, i just dont see it.

I dont necessarily like howard, but i would take him.and think hes much more likely.
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Atlanta got dominated by Cleveland with him, while Portland competed against Golden State without him. That's why he'd come here.

Also, Toronto doesn't have the cap space to sign him even if Derozen doesn't return. Plus, Toronto already has a good Center in Valenciusencounious.
 
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