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BonesJones said:
Bledsoe plays a lot of SG. He's short but has a long wingspan and is strong and athletic. He can guard SGs.
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That may well be true for some SGs, but then CJ can't guard SFs. It's probably not a good idea to always think about Golden State, but I don't think Bledsoe could guard Thompson. Lillard/Bledsoe/CJ would get eaten alive by any GS line up because even when they play small ball they still have good length.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
That may well be true for some SGs, but then CJ can't guard SFs. It's probably not a good idea to always think about Golden State, but I don't think Bledsoe could guard Thompson. Lillard/Bledsoe/CJ would get eaten alive by any GS line up because even when they play small ball they still have good length.
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Well if you can play your 3 together at times you do it. Against Golden State? No. But in situations where you there's a 2nd string SF in (Roberson, Ross, Josh Richardson, MKG, Bazemore, Solomon Hill, Matt Barnes, etc), or the other team goes small, you can get away with playing CJ at SF.

Bledsoe would do a decent job on Thompson. He's athletic and strong. He'd give Portland the third ball handler/scoring that that they need)

I think he can be had. They like Knight, Bledsoe is coming off an injury and they wanna make room for Butler.

I think that it'd be possible to get one of their picks as well.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
OK, here is my most ambitious attempt.
1. If we want Durant or Horford or Whiteside: I think we have to get two of them to come. One of them will not come alone; he won't see the team as being strong enough to have a chance for a championship.
I think we would need to clear a minimum of $50 million cap space to try to sign two. We'd have to renounce Roberts, Henderson, Kaman, Leonard and Harkless. (If there was any chance to match offers on Leonard and Harkless and trade for draft picks, of course do that).
We would have to trade Aminu and Davis for draft picks.
That would create a little over 53 million in cap space. I would hope that two of the three would agree to sign for that even if it wasn't quite max for them. We could create almost 56 million if we got rid of the three guys at the bottom of the roster, but could we sign anyone else as good for that low of prices, we would need a backup big in Alexander, hopefully Montero could be a backup PG and backup SF, and Connaughton backup SG and SF. They could fill in the places we would need the most. Or we could jettison those three and keep Aminu and hope the two new stars would settle for less. That scenario would only leave about $48.3 million to sign them, but it would sure be nice to have Aminu to backup Durant and the bigs. But could then jettison Vonleh to bring that total up to $51 million.

2. If that doesn't work I would go for Dwight Howard. After reading the one article that he actually started working out right at the end of the season annd then another one a couple days ago that seems to show he is still a really strong player defensively and rebounding and could be more productive offensively if given a chance. http://www.blazersedge.com/2016/6/8...d-portland-trail-blazers-2016-nba-free-agency
This would be a really big risk. Would try to get him to sign for about $20 million a year and try to add someone like Ryan Anderson also. (I read that they have worked well together previously). This would probably still require renouncing Leonard, but not Harkless and still require trading Ed Davis (although just getting rid of Vonleh might allow us to keep Leonard or Davis). I would bring in Clifford Ray just to try to keep Howard focused, he is mentioned in the ESPN interview. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15596878/dwight-howard-qa-superman-returns

3. If neither of those was possible, I think my main target would be Ian Mahimni. This is a guy who is above average on both defense and offense; something none of our bigs are. If we think that we aren't sure if Leonard is gonna hold up physically and mentally, ditch him and go also for a Ryan Anderson or Marvin Williams, otherwise just stick with what we got.
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Since there has been so little interest in my bold and beautiful post, I guess I will need to add some more of my own thoughts.

Plan 1. This plan may seem too disruptive to some of you; too many people going away who we are attached to. But as I see it this is probably Portland's last chance in this cycle to make a big splash; it has to be done this year. I used to think we could just collect assets and wait for that Chris Paul type trade to materialize, but now I realize that it was such a special circumstance and so rare (only other example would be Kevin
Garnett trade) that it most likely is not a good course of action.

More about plan 1: Obviously this works far better if Durant is one of the two. Whiteside and Horford together would be fine offensively but not so great defensively; although maybe it could be made to work somehow.

Plan 2: Only done if management is sure that Howard is buying in; at a minimum would want a promise from him to come to Portland this summer and work with the rest of the team. If they pulled this off; I would want to pay Andre Miller as a special consultant to come in during the summer and teach Portland guards how to throw a lob pass. I also want to say I think Howard can still be an offensive force. I think people can remember how he was killing us in the playoffs a couple years ago; we had to focus a lot of attention on him; we were able to get away with that because they didn't have much other offense besides Harden. But think how it could help Portland's offense overall.

Plan 3. The more I think about this plan, the less enthusiastic I am about it. Mahimni is 29 and not an impactful player. The only other option is to try to get a couple more young guys to basically use as assets, or guys to grow with the team. But are there any unrestricted? I don't think so, except Biyombo. Restricted that are interesting and young would just be Barnes and Ezeli. Would it be better to overpay for young guys than get an older Mahimi at a decent price?
 
OK, I forgot one guy, who might be included on Plan 3, or even any of the plans since I think he would come cheap. Did anyone realize that Jerryd Bayless, age 27, was the fifth best 3pt shooter in the league last year at .427 and that he has always shot .395 or better when he had at least three attempts a game? Not a good defender and of course he has those alligator arms, but he would be intriguing as our backup PG.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
OK, I forgot one guy, who might be included on Plan 3, or even any of the plans since I think he would come cheap. Did anyone realize that Jerryd Bayless, age 27, was the fifth best 3pt shooter in the league last year at .427 and that he has always shot .395 or better when he had at least three attempts a game? Not a good defender and of course he has those alligator arms, but he would be intriguing as our backup PG.
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I'm down. Always liked Bayless' intensity and athleticism, and now that he's become a deadeye three-ball shooter, I'd probably really enjoy seeing him back up Dame and CJ. Not gonna happen, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if it did.

So, plan 3 becomes sign Mahinmi (or maybe Cole Aldrich, whom I've been pushing), Williams, and Bayless, and re-sign Crabbe and Harkless. Gives us Dame/CJ/Harkless/Williams/Mahinmi(Aldrich) backed up by Bayless/Crabbe/Aminu/Davis/Plumlee with a third string of GP2/Montero/Connaughton/Vonleh/Alexander. I like that plan.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm down. Always liked Bayless' intensity and athleticism, and now that he's become a deadeye three-ball shooter, I'd probably really enjoy seeing him back up Dame and CJ. Not gonna happen, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if it did.

So, plan 3 becomes sign Mahinmi (or maybe Cole Aldrich, whom I've been pushing), Williams, and Bayless, and re-sign Crabbe and Harkless. Gives us Dame/CJ/Harkless/Williams/Mahinmi(Aldrich) backed up by Bayless/Crabbe/Aminu/Davis/Plumlee with a third string of GP2/Montero/Connaughton/Vonleh/Alexander. I like that plan.
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I'm kind of waffling on Plan 3; as I keep saying this is Portland's only chance to do something big, so I am a little hesitant about signing a couple 29 year olds. I think I would make offers to both Ezeli and Barnes and see what Golden State does.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm kind of waffling on Plan 3; as I keep saying this is Portland's only chance to do something big, so I am a little hesitant about signing a couple 29 year olds. I think I would make offers to both Ezeli and Barnes and see what Golden State does.
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OK, I'm not waffling anymore; have no interest in Barnes or Ezeli.
 
Barnes is super inconsistent like nic batum.

No thanks. Aminu will be almost a third of the cost of those dudes.
 
Can't believe it but someone will pay Barnes the max. If he can't score with all the open looks he gets in GS, what is going to do when he is more of the focus of the opponents defense?
 
I think the Sixers will sign Barnes to a max contract. Simmons and Barnes will be their forwards.
 
I know I come up with a lot of 3/4 team trades, but oh well.

Tell me who wouldn't do this deal:

Portland Gets:
6th Pick (NOP)

Boston Gets:
Kevin Love (CLE)
2018 CLE 1st (from POR)

Cleveland Gets:
Al-Farouq Aminu (POR)
Mason Plumlee (POR)
Jae Crowder (BOS)
Tyreke Evans (NOP)

New Orleans Gets:
3rd Pick (BOS)
23rd Pick (BOS)
31st Pick (BOS)
Iman Shumpert (CLE)

-Portland clears cap space while getting a good young piece from the pick
-Boston gets their go to player while only giving up one rotation player
-Cleveland gets pieces that fit their rotation perfectly (Irving/Evans/James/Aminu/Thompson with Delly/Smith/Crowder/Plumlee off the bench)
-New Orleans trades up and gets extra picks, they need the depth.
 
BonesJones said:
I know I come up with a lot of 3/4 team trades, but oh well.

Tell me who wouldn't do this deal:

Portland Gets:
6th Pick (NOP)

Boston Gets:
Kevin Love (CLE)
2018 CLE 1st (from POR)

Cleveland Gets:
Al-Farouq Aminu (POR)
Mason Plumlee (POR)
Jae Crowder (BOS)
Tyreke Evans (NOP)

New Orleans Gets:
3rd Pick (BOS)
23rd Pick (BOS)
31st Pick (BOS)
Iman Shumpert (CLE)

-Portland clears cap space while getting a good young piece from the pick
-Boston gets their go to player while only giving up one rotation player
-Cleveland gets pieces that fit their rotation perfectly (Irving/Evans/James/Aminu/Thompson with Delly/Smith/Crowder/Plumlee off the bench)
-New Orleans trades up and gets extra picks, they need the depth.
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Tyreke Evans is worth 2 first round picks?

And why do we need a draft pick this year, exactly? Especially for Aminu AND plums?
 
Strenuus said:
Tyreke Evans is worth 2 first round picks?

And why do we need a draft pick this year, exactly? Especially for Aminu AND plums?
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Because we can sign someone better to replace them.

Keep 2 guys, or trade for a pick them upgrade the 2 guys...
 
BonesJones said:
Because we can sign someone better to replace them.

Keep 2 guys, or trade for a pick them upgrade the 2 guys...
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We better have some good leads before we do that, or we take a step back. Not guaranteed to get two comparable players. :(
 
Aminu, Plumlee and a future 1st for the #6 pick in a Draft that is considered mostly a 2-player draft?

Two starters and a pick for a guy who wouldn't start seems over the top.
 
TBpup said:
Aminu, Plumlee and a future 1st for the #6 pick in a Draft that is considered mostly a 2-player draft?

Two starters and a pick for a guy who wouldn't start seems over the top.
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Same type of thing was being said with Lillards and McCollums draft. We have the chance to get a future star and we clear up cap space to upgrade their positions regardless.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
OK, here is my most ambitious attempt.
1. If we want Durant or Horford or Whiteside: I think we have to get two of them to come. One of them will not come alone; he won't see the team as being strong enough to have a chance for a championship.
I think we would need to clear a minimum of $50 million cap space to try to sign two. We'd have to renounce Roberts, Henderson, Kaman, Leonard and Harkless. (If there was any chance to match offers on Leonard and Harkless and trade for draft picks, of course do that).
We would have to trade Aminu and Davis for draft picks.
That would create a little over 53 million in cap space. I would hope that two of the three would agree to sign for that even if it wasn't quite max for them. We could create almost 56 million if we got rid of the three guys at the bottom of the roster, but could we sign anyone else as good for that low of prices, we would need a backup big in Alexander, hopefully Montero could be a backup PG and backup SF, and Connaughton backup SG and SF. They could fill in the places we would need the most. Or we could jettison those three and keep Aminu and hope the two new stars would settle for less. That scenario would only leave about $48.3 million to sign them, but it would sure be nice to have Aminu to backup Durant and the bigs. But could then jettison Vonleh to bring that total up to $51 million.
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I don't want to say that Olshey doesn't have vision, because I don't think anyone (well, except the legendary Kingspeed) thought the Blazers would do so well that they could say to Durant and Whiteside: "We have a good enough team that if we added you two, we would be good enough to go for it all". But if Olshey could have imagined this scenario, then he wouldn't have offered that extension to Lillard that cost $13 million in capspace. If he had that, in the above scenario, he could have kept two of Amino, Davis, Leonard and Harkless. And that would have been a hell of a team. (Of course, once they did extend Lillard and McCollum and maybe Plumlee, it probably would have been the biggest NBA salary total in history, but who cares?)
 
How many of you are happy knowing our biggest FA signings this summer will be broadcasters?
 
Strenuus said:
We better have some good leads before we do that, or we take a step back. Not guaranteed to get two comparable players. :(
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Especially at their cap hits (would likely be 2x-3x more expensive to replace them).

BonesJones said:
Same type of thing was being said with Lillards and McCollums draft. We have the chance to get a future star and we clear up cap space to upgrade their positions regardless.
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You also have a "chance" to win the lottery. Doesn't mean that chance is very likely. Aminu & Plumlee are currently on very cap friendly deals. No need to "clear up cap space". Also, there aren't a whole lot of upgrade options this year on the FA market.

Boob-No-More said:
Portland.

BNM
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Agreed.
 
First trade of the off-season so far this year (that I recall at least).

BULLS ACQUIRE SPENCER DINWIDDIE FOR CAMERON BAIRSTOW

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/release/bulls-acquire-spencer-dinwiddie-cameron-bairstow

The Chicago Bulls announced today they have acquired guard Spencer Dinwiddie from the Detroit Pistons in exchange for forward/center Cameron Bairstow.

Dinwiddie (6-6, 200) played the last two seasons in Detroit, where he posted 4.4 points, 2.7 assists and 1.4 rebounds in 13.3 minutes per game. A product of the University of Colorado, the 23-year old Dinwiddie was drafted by the Pistons in the second round (38th overall) of the 2014 NBA Draft.

Bairstow (6-9, 260) was selected by the Bulls in the second round (49th overall) of the 2014 NBA Draft. In two seasons with Chicago, he saw action in a total of 36 games (three starts) and averaged 1.2 points and 1.0 rebound in 4.6 minutes a game.
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I remember someone, (maybe @Rastapopoulos) really liked Dinwiddie last year.
 
tester551 said:
Especially at their cap hits (would likely be 2x-3x more expensive to replace them).

You also have a "chance" to win the lottery. Doesn't mean that chance is very likely. Aminu & Plumlee are currently on very cap friendly deals. No need to "clear up cap space". Also, there aren't a whole lot of upgrade options this year on the FA market.
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Exactly. You don't give away underpaid, relatively young talent with the hope of overpaying their replacements.

Aminiu and Plumlee were great bargains under the old cap. Under the new cap, they are absolute steals. They are worth much more than their cap space. You only move them in a trade when you know you're getting something better in return (i.e., if you knew you could sign both Durant and Whiteside or Horford, but you can't know that in the proposed scenario as the draft is over a week before the free agent period starts).

BNM
 
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