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UKRAINEFAN said:
I still think we have to get two of those three (Horford, Durant, Whiteside) to convince any one of them to come. Need to clear bigger salaries than Plumlee; he is a keeper.
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Durant+Horford:
Trade Ed Davis, Noah Vonleh for future 1sts
Renounce Meyers Leonard, Mo Harkless

Lillard/CJ/Durant/Aminu/Horford

But then we'd only have Crabbe and Plumlee off the bench. We'd need to find a Forward with the Cap-Space Exception (apx. $3M) Possible options would be Jared Dudley, David West, Vince Carter, Jon Lueur

Horford/Durant + Whiteside

Get rid of 3 of the following 5: (Plumlee&Vonleh), Ed Davis, Al-Farouq Aminu, Moe Harkless, Meyers Leonard

Could end up with something like:

Lillard/CJ/Aminu/Horford/Whiteside
With Crabbe/Vonleh/Plumlee off the bench.
We'd still need to add some depth with a CSE signing.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I want free agents who want to win it all; so it shouldn't make any difference to them whether they start out in the East or the West. I think the Cavaliers would have been better prepared for GS if they had played some tougher playoff opponents.
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Fair enough, but it's not really about one team, it's about multiple teams. As we have seen in these playoffs a injury here and a suspension there, and all of a sudden you can beat the best team in your conference. But if you have 3-4 other really good teams in your conference your odds are still lower to even make it to the conference finals. And in the east, as of now, there is only one really good team.

Now that can change by August. But if I am a top FA and I have always played in the east, (i.e Horford) I might consider staying there. As of right now the west is still loaded....and the east is not.
 
Horford only plays Center for the Hawks because they have Milsap. He's a Power Forward
 
Horford will stay east he from Florida and he plays in state right above it. I believe he will work something out with Atlanta. Now Whiteside wants to stay in Miami but without birds right by Miami and amount money he will want Miami may not able afford him. Especially with all the other FA they have so Miami has a big decision to make this year. Now Howard is the third big fish and we could get him if he takes less the max because I wouldn't pay him the max. I don't know who Neil will go after this year but like every year he go after someone hard right from the start. It might not be none of the above players.
 
Blazer4ever said:
Horford only plays Center for the Hawks because they have Milsap. He's a Power Forward
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Blazer4ever said:
For us he'd be a Power Forward
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Dude, he can play either. He's a big man that can do everything. You're trying to fit him into this little box of yours, but he doesn't fit a mold. He might be the best all around big man in the league in terms of being able to do so many little things well.

He can protect the rim and is strong enough to defend low post players.
 
Blazer4ever said:
For us he'd be a Power Forward
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Based on what? Our current roster? If so, are you projecting Plumlee at starting center and Horford at PF?

We don't even know what the rest of our roster would look like, but if all we did was add Horford and retain all our current players, Horford at center works well with either Ed Davis or Meyers Leonard at PF. That's the appeal of Horford. He's a two-way player that has a versatile offensive game. Pair him with Davis, and Horford has a good enough mid-range and long range game to let Ed operate down low. Pair him with Meyers and let Horford go to work in the low post while Meyers spreads the floor. He could work with either of those guys. With Ed, you get better defense and rebounding. With Meyers, you get more floor spacing on offense.

If we're lucky enough to get him, I see Horford as our starting center with Plumlee backing him up. It's the role Horford has played his entire NBA career, he's comfortable playing the position and he's excelled at it. He's been around long enough that his career overlapped Shaq and Yao Ming's He may be only 6'10", but he's played center against guys bigger and stronger than anyone in today's NBA. He's a four time all-star as a center.

The only reason I could see for moving him to PF at this point in his career is if you were going to pair him with a low post stud like DeMarcus Cousins or Hassan Whiteside. You don't move Horford to a new position for Mason Plumlee.

BNM
 
BonesJones said:
Dude, he can play either. He's a big man that can do everything. You're trying to fit him into this little box of yours, but he doesn't fit a mold. He might be the best all around big man in the league in terms of being able to do so many little things well.

He can protect the rim and is strong enough to defend low post players.
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...and there's no way we're getting him.
 
Blazinaway said:
yeah its nice to dream but we have little to no chance on signing Horford, rather focus discussion on more realistic possibilities
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Who are the more realistic possibilities in your opinion? Who would you target?
 
And I still think Horford will be priority #1 and I don't understand why people are so sure that he's going to go back to Atlanta. I realize he likes the city and all that cute stuff, but at his age he's going to want to win a ring too, and Atlanta is no longer in that discussion imo. With Horford in Portland, watch out. Not saying he's coming to Portland, but I would not be surprised whatsoever if he left Atlanta.
 
If you like to see what is possible, some guy over at BE has posted an interactive salary cap calculator.
 
The Warriors are said to be going after Nowitzki hard to get him to leave Dallas. I guess they are giving up on the Durant pipe-dream.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
The Warriors are said to be going after Nowitzki hard to get him to leave Dallas. I guess they are giving up on the Durant pipe-dream.
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From my understanding, Durant is 1st on their priority list and Dirk would be a fall-back option if KD stayed in OKC.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
The Warriors are said to be going after Nowitzki hard to get him to leave Dallas. I guess they are giving up on the Durant pipe-dream.
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That seems like an odd fit. Durant makes a LOT more sense for them. Where would they play him? Draymond is their PF and Dirk would be horrible defensively at center. Would they let Harrison Barnes walk and move Draymnd to SF? I'd personally love to have Dirk for about 24 - 26 MPG as instant offense off the bench and as an added go to scorer late in the game (when doing alternating offensive/defensive substitutions), but I think he'd want a bigger roll.

BNM
 
Keep an eye on June 30th.

It's the deadline to extend qualifying offers to AC, Leonard, and Mo if we want to make them restricted free agents. Extending it to AC is a no brainer with his miniscule caphold. Meyers and Moe.... these will be more of the question marks.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Keep an eye on June 30th.

It's the deadline to extend qualifying offers to AC, Leonard, and Mo if we want to make them restricted free agents. Extending it to AC is a no brainer with his miniscule caphold. Meyers and Moe.... these will be more of the question marks.
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I think Harkless is a no-brainer as well. Leonard probably gets offered as the QO is less than the contract offer last summer. That he won't be available till December might limit his suitors offering big money.
 
TBpup said:
I think Harkless is a no-brainer as well. Leonard probably gets offered as the QO is less than the contract offer last summer. That he won't be available till December might limit his suitors offering big money.
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I think all three are locks. We aren't in a position where we can give up assets without receiving something in return.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Keep an eye on June 30th.

It's the deadline to extend qualifying offers to AC, Leonard, and Mo if we want to make them restricted free agents. Extending it to AC is a no brainer with his miniscule caphold. Meyers and Moe.... these will be more of the question marks.
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Keep in mind that the Qualifying Offers are significantly lower than their CAP Holds for Leonard and Harkless.

Meyers Leonard:
- Qualifying Offer: $4.2M
- CAP Hold: $7.7M

Maurice Harkless:
- Qualifying Offer: $4.0M
- CAP Hold: $7.2M

Allan Crabbe:
- Qualifying Offer: $2.7M
- CAP Hold: $2.7M

There's very little risk offering them the QO. They're probably going to be making more than that on the open market. If we need the space to sign a big time free agent, we can simply renounce their rights.
 
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Harkless is probably the first free agent we sign (even over a big name stud) simply to lower his cap hold. If we can get him for 6.2 MIL a year for example then we do it right away. Not saying he would necessarily accept that but I think it is possible. And then we gain a MIL. Doesn't seem like much but every bit helps.
 
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