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tester551 said:
Butler would have been better than PG13.
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I think that's certainly debatable. I would have been fucking thrilled to get either, but I think the asking price for Butler would have been higher. Paul George was going to leave IND for nothing if they didn't trade him, and carried that same risk forward to his new team. Butler is locked up for an extra year and hadn't expressed any pipe dream about playing for his home town team. So, lower risk == higher cost.

Plus, I just love the way George would fit with our current roster and Stotts' system. He's a better 3-point shooter and physically larger. Butler can bully SGs and handle most SFs with ease. However, PG13 is better on the two best SFs in the league (LeBron and Durant), and let's face it, if we ever hoped to get a championship in this alternate universe where we landed PG13, that championship route would likely go through GSW and CLE. George can also play the stretch 4 role in small ball lineups.

Butler is a 2/3, where George is more of a 3/4 and the 3 and 4 spots have been our weakest two positions over the last three seasons.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I think that's certainly debatable. I would have been fucking thrilled to get either, but I think the asking price for Butler would have been higher. Paul George was going to leave IND for nothing if they didn't trade him, and carried that same risk forward to his new team. Butler is locked up for an extra year and hadn't expressed any pipe dream about playing for his home town team. So, lower risk == higher cost.

Plus, I just love the way George would fit with our current roster and Stotts' system. He's a better 3-point shooter and physically larger. Butler can bully SGs and handle most SFs with ease. However, PG13 is better on the two best SFs in the league (LeBron and Durant), and let's face it, if we ever hoped to get a championship in this alternate universe where we landed PG13, that championship route would likely go through GSW and CLE. George can also play the stretch 4 role in small ball lineups.

Butler is a 2/3, where George is more of a 3/4 and the 3 and 4 spots have been our weakest two positions over the last three seasons.

BNM
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And he's leading (at least was) the league in steals this season too.
 
AFully22 said:
Missing out on PG, although not really Neil’s fault, is looking more and more painful. He’s already talking about “the decision becoming a lot easier” regarding resigning in OKC because of their record and Westbrook’s leadership. I bet we would be right there with Minnesota with him on our team, Dame is one of the better leaders in the league, and he’s a couple hr flight from LA. Man, what could have been.
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Are you kidding me? We're already right there with Minnesota! We're 2GB. I think we'd be a 3-seed right now.
 
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BonesJones said:
Are you kidding me? We're already right there with Mimnesota! We're 2GB. I think we'd be a 3-seed right now.
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I didn’t realize we were only two games back lol. We very well might have been the 3 seed. That one stings.
 
Again.... it doesn’t make sense unless we are moving Nurk.
 
I'd much rather target Whiteside rather than DeAndre.

Vonleh's value is at its lowest.
 
Jabari Parker looks fucking good his first game back FYI. Kids an all star if he stays healthy.
 
Evan Turner and a pick for Wesley Matthews please.
 
BonesJones said:
Evan Turner and a pick for Wesley Matthews please.
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What a terrible idea... give up a 1st for Matthews??? Doesn’t make us better or cut salary and you want to give up future asset... and u complain about getting all nba player like DeAndre and your solution is trade a 1st for Wes... wow

Wes will be 32 next year, and averages 14 points in 35 minutes... and shooting 40%fg
 
Gronk Brady said:
What a terrible idea... give up a 1st for Matthews??? Doesn’t make us better or cut salary and you want to give up future asset... and u complain about getting all nba player like DeAndre and your solution is trade a 1st for Wes... wow
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We give up a 1st to get rid of Turners contract as well as improve our team. You dont think switching Turner for Wes makes us better? WTF? It's a bigger upgrade than Nurk to DeAndre

You keep pounding the cliche, casual fan argument of "hes been All-NBA". But when I posted stats PROVING his decline, you had no response. And now you come back with "All-NBA in the past!!!"... Not only do you want to pay a declining center $25M+ for the next 3 years, you eant to give up Nurk and picks to do so! Yet you don't want to get rid of Turner and replace him with Wes for the price of a pick? Lmao. Okay bud.
 
I think @BrianFromWA has laid out how we are going to need all the picks we have (and more if we can get them) going forward to have any chance of not being in luxury tax hell 2-3 years from now.
 
BonesJones said:
We give up a 1st to get rid of Turners contract as well as improve our team. You dont think switching Turner for Wes makes us better? WTF? It's a bigger upgrade than Nurk to DeAndre

You keep pounding the cliche, casual fan argument of "hes been All-NBA". But when I posted stats PROVING his decline, you had no response. And now you come back with "All-NBA in the past!!!"... Not only do you want to pay a declining center $25M+ for the next 3 years, you eant to give up Nurk and picks to do so! Yet you don't want to get rid of Turner and replace him with Wes for the price of a pick? Lmao. Okay bud.
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Wes is complete garbage... he shoots 40% fg, and scores only 14 ppg in 35 min... he will be 32 to start next season... and his contract is just as bad as Turner... I don’t see how he makes us better on court or improves salary situation. And you want to give up a 1st... this might be the single worst idea I’ve ever seen on this board

Wes salary is actually worse than Turner FYI
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I think @BrianFromWA has laid out how we are going to need all the picks we have (and more if we can get them) going forward to have any chance of not being in luxury tax hell 2-3 years from now.
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Well attaching a pick with Turner helps that, does it not?
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I think @BrianFromWA has laid out how we are going to need all the picks we have (and more if we can get them) going forward to have any chance of not being in luxury tax hell 2-3 years from now.
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Oh, we're going to be in lux-tax hell. But keeping and getting more picks will keep us out of the 7th circle of pretending we're a Russian Oligarch or something.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Oh, we're going to be in lux-tax hell. But keeping and getting more picks will keep us out of the 7th circle of pretending we're a Russian Oligarch or something.
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Can you link Bones to that piece. I am of course too lazy to find it (plus I would - and probably did - describe it wrong).
 
they were in the "Tough Decisions", at least the first 3 parts. I have a couple ideas for other options but have been a tad busy the last few days.
 
Gronk Brady said:
Wes is complete garbage... he shoots 40% fg, and scores only 14 ppg in 35 min... he will be 32 to start next season... and his contract is just as bad as Turner... I don’t see how he makes us better on court or improves salary situation. And you want to give up a 1st... this might be the single worst idea I’ve ever seen on this board
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No, the worst idea on this board is you're clamoring for DeAndre Jordan. You have no logical argument for wanting to do that. I brought logic and stats to the argument after you claimed I had "no-basis" for not wanting DeAndre and you couldn't even muster a reply. But then you come back with "All-NBA!". Lmao, okay. You can't even participate in logical debate as to why we should trade picks and Nurkic for him.

Wesley shoots many more 3s than 2s, so his FG% is reflective of that. His most common shot (his 3) is efficient at 38%. I'd bet that his efficiency would improve playing next to actual NBA players like Dame and CJ, as he's taking tough mid-range jumpers in Dallas, which would be reduced here. His defense is still solid. He has an even BPM (compared to Turners -1.6). His contract expires a year sooner than Turner's. His contract is actually tradeable though, as it's not great but he's much better than Turner, so we'd have the flexibility to do with him as we want.

But if it's so uneven then we should be able to get their early 2nd round pick (#33). That's definitely worth it.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Not if the salary coming back is as close in size. Basically it is shuffling the deck and giving up a 1st to do so.
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But he's expiring sooner and would be tradeable this off-season due to his sooner-expiring contract and skillset that teams actually covet.

I'd do Turner, Harkless, and a 1st for Matthews, McRoberts, and a 2nd. That would help us even more with our tax issues as we'd get under the tax for this year and McRoberts is expiring.
 
BonesJones said:
No, the worst idea on this board is you're clamoring for DeAndre Jordan. You have no logical argument for wanting to do that. I brought logic and stats to the argument after you claimed I had "no-basis" for not wanting DeAndre and you couldn't even muster a reply. But then you come back with "All-NBA!". Lmao, okay. You can't even participate in logical debate as to why we should trade picks and Nurkic for him.

Wesley shoots many more 3s than 2s, so his FG% is reflective of that. His most common shot (his 3) is efficient at 38%. I'd bet that his efficiency would improve playing next to actual NBA players like Dame and CJ, as he's taking tough mid-range jumpers in Dallas, which would be reduced here. His defense is still solid. He has an even BPM (compared to Turners -1.6). His contract expires a year sooner than Turner's. His contract is actually tradeable though, as it's not great but he's much better than Turner, so we'd have the flexibility to do with him as we want.

But if it's so uneven then we should be able to get their early 2nd round pick (#33). That's definitely worth it.
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Hahahaha! You are so rediculous that I can’t even respond...
 
BonesJones said:
But he's expiring sooner and would be tradeable this off-season due to his sooner-expiring contract and skillset that teams actually covet.

I'd do Turner, Harkless, and a 1st for Matthews, McRoberts, and a 2nd. That would help us even more with our tax issues as we'd get under the tax for this year and McRoberts is expiring.
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You are trading for a guy just to retrade him? Ya that will go over well. Him being 1 year shorter doesn't matter much as we will be in luxury tax hell before Turner's last year. No 1sts to make up for Olshey's mistakes. He can send a 2nd. We are going to need firsts after the guy is fired.
 
BonesJones said:
Don't mistake your own ignorance for my ridiculousness.
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Let me get this straight... you think DeAndre Jordan, who leads the league in rebounding and fg % this year, and was all nba first team 2 seasons ago is over the hill at 29... but you want to give up a 1st rd pick for undersized 32 year old Wes Matthews who gets paid more than Turner.... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
 
KeepOnRollin said:
You are trading for a guy just to retrade him? Ya that will go over well. Him being 1 year shorter doesn't matter much as we will be in luxury tax hell before Turner's last year. No 1sts to make up for Olshey's mistakes. He can send a 2nd. We are going to need firsts after the guy is fired.
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We don't have to retrade him, I'd rather keep him for his last year and solve our tax issues in other ways. Keep him for his last year as an upgrade to our rotation which would make us much better. However, if we had to, we could retrade him and likely receive a 2nd round pick or two. That would essentially be the same as trading Turner and a 1st now and getting back a one or two second round picks. How is that a bad option? You wouldn't do that?
 
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