Exclusive Official 2018 Trade Deadline Thread

[LayneStaley]

Supposedly the lakers wanna clear cap for 2019 now, this does that and gives them a cheap backup sf/pf for next season before they want maximum space. They will want our first round pick too.

 

[BonesJones]

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Supposedly the lakers wanna clear cap for 2019 now, this does that and gives them a cheap backup sf/pf for next season before they want maximum space. Maybe a second round pick goes to them too.

That's a not going to simply dump dump both of those guys for players they won't keep and a 2md round pick. A team like CHI or ATL would at least offer a better 2nd round pick and expirings.

 

[BonesJones]

Aminu+Our 2020 1st for Randle makes more semse.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

I don’t think that was a goal. It just came with dumping part of Crabbes contract.

Ah, I still think he's an idiot if he doesn't use it.

 

[LayneStaley]

That's a not going to simply dump dump both of those guys for players they won't keep and a 2md round pick. A team like CHI or ATL would at least offer a better 2nd round pick and expirings.

Throw in our first then, I bet they make whoever wants Randle(who they will lose for nothing at the end of the year) take Clarkson’s 3/34 mil contract with him.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

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Supposedly the lakers wanna clear cap for 2019 now, this does that and gives them a cheap backup sf/pf for next season before they want maximum space. Maybe a second round pick goes to them too.

I would be for this 100%.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Why not? Is Neil seriously going to let 12-13 million dollars just expire and not do anything with it? That would be incredibly stupid. What was the point of getting the trade exception in the first place?

It's not quite that simple. We're over the tax line at the moment. Let's say that we did get a chance to trade for, say, Clarkson (11.6M contract). Per the CBA, the trade would work if all we did was trade Clarkson for 11.6M of our TPE (leaving us a tiny bit left).

Here's the difference, though. Right now we're about 3M over. We pay $1.50 in tax penalty for every dollar 0-5M over the cap. So our current amount, 3M, is planned on paying 4.5M in luxury tax. If we trade for Clarkson, that goes up.
We add the first 2M of Clarkson's contract at the $1.50 per dollar level. That adds another $3M to the tax penalty.
Then you pay $1.75 for every dollar between 5 and 10M. That's another 8.75M in tax penalty.
Then you pay $2.50 for every dollar between 10 and 15. Since there's about 4.6M unaccounted for, that's 11.5M.

So if you trade the TPE for Clarkson, we'll pay the prorated portion of his salary for the season (around 4M or so), but pay an extra 23.25M in tax penalties (bringing the total to 27.75M). Is Jordan Crawford worth 31M to PA for the next 25 games or so? And that's not even talking about next year, or one year closer to "repeater".

 

[A$AP Meyers]

what % chance do you think there is that DeAndre is a Blazer tomorrow

 

[tester551]

Ah, I still think he's an idiot if he doesn't use it.

It's idiotic to think there was even a chance that he'd use the Crabbe TPE. It was never going to happen

 

[Propagandist]

I mean, if you're talking about the Ricky Bobby Memorial binary "Win Championship/Suck at Life" result tree, then sure.

If not, then I disagree. We retooled twice and have made the second round twice in 5 years. Which is as much as we did from 1993-2012. Heck, we've made the playoffs 4 straight years when we made in 3 total of the previous 10.

Since 2012: Same Coach. Same GM. Same Owner. Same Stadium. Similar shitty TV contracts. Same poor valuation of draft capital.
Different alpha player. Different "Robin". Different offensive philosophies. Different defensive philosophies. Different philosophies on FA spending.

Still 2 2nd-rounds in 4 years.

I'm sure Olshey probably feels the same, so expect more of the SAME.

 

[BrianFromWA]

what % chance do you think there is that DeAndre is a Blazer tomorrow

0.77%. I won't say that any trade is ever 0% (unless it can't be done per CBA) but it would absolutely shock me. That would mean that one of these things (or more) had to happen:

1) PA decides to go deep into the lux tax to bring DeAndre onboard (maybe? Depending on how much Dame or NO sells him that we need him?)
2) LAC accepts roughly 20M back for DeAndre to make it work in the CBA
3) Since, even if we gave up all of our expiring players (Ed, Shabazz, Pat, Nurk, Noah) we still don't have enough to make the trade work, they have to give up some of this summer's cap space to take on a player. But that assumes that they've cut the 3 players they need to before making the trade in order to accept all of our players. And if they don't cut the 3 players, then the long-term salary goes up for each one they don't.
4) PA values DJ more than having a draft pick. PA LOVES the draft.

and more, but those are the major ones.

 

[LayneStaley]

what % chance do you think there is that DeAndre is a Blazer tomorrow

0%

 

[BonesJones]

Throw in our first then, I bet they make whoever wants Randle(who they will lose for nothing at the end of the year) take Clarkson’s 3/34 mil contract with him.

Clarkson isn't a bad contract, there's teams that'll want him.

And them not wanting to resign doesn't mean anything because he has a lift a value across the league. There will be a bidding war.

 

[ripcityboy]

Man, I wish we had some team leaks somewhere. I'd like to at least know what is on the table.

 

[LayneStaley]

Clarkson isn't a bad contract, there's teams that'll want him.

And them not wanting to resign doesn't mean anything because he has a lift a value across the league. There will be a bidding war.

We will see, I think both those lakers are getting dealt, and I don’t think their getting more than expirings and a first back(which my trade offers)Maybe someone with a higher 1st will make an offer but we could have the 12-20 pick depending on how the final couple months go. It’s a buyers market.

 

[blazerkor]

what % chance do you think there is that DeAndre is a Blazer tomorrow

I'll give it a solid 5% chance. I 100% want him to be on the roster but I don't think we have the pieces with CJ off limits.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

It's idiotic to think there was even a chance that he'd use the Crabbe TPE. It was never going to happen

I guess I am an idiot then. Should I go and fuck myself too? How about stick my head up ass? You know, go for the trifecta?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I guess I am an idiot then. Should I go and fuck myself too? How about stick my head up ass? You know, go for the trifecta?

 

[LayneStaley]

It’s too quiet league wide, tomorrow I’m predicting 10 trades.

 

[hoopsjock]

How about this: different players, different everything, same results.

C'mon Props this is completely wrong and unfair.

 

[hoopsjock]

Why not? Is Neil seriously going to let 12-13 million dollars just expire and not do anything with it? That would be incredibly stupid. What was the point of getting the trade exception in the first place?

For the record, the exception doesn't expire until towards the end of July. It might be better to use it this summer.

 

[LayneStaley]

We should of outbid minny for butler. I think I like him better than PG.

He’s going off on Cavs

 

[lamlor]

Going into 2012-2013 they got a new coach and GM after being well below .500 and drafted Damian. That seems like shaking things up.

They get over 50 wins for a couple seasons. Then after the 2014/2015 season their best player strings them along in Free agency and ultimately leaves. So the team goes in a different direction and by the end of the summer four of the five starters are gone. That also seems like shaking things up.

Then all the shit that happened in the summer of 2016.

I fail to understand how anyone can say the team hasn’t been shaken up in the last 6 years…

I can't explain to you in any way you will accept so I have no plans to bother. Let's try this one and see if it is any better for you; The more things change, the more things stay the same.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

It's not quite that simple. We're over the tax line at the moment. Let's say that we did get a chance to trade for, say, Clarkson (11.6M contract). Per the CBA, the trade would work if all we did was trade Clarkson for 11.6M of our TPE (leaving us a tiny bit left).

Here's the difference, though. Right now we're about 3M over. We pay $1.50 in tax penalty for every dollar 0-5M over the cap. So our current amount, 3M, is planned on paying 4.5M in luxury tax. If we trade for Clarkson, that goes up.
We add the first 2M of Clarkson's contract at the $1.50 per dollar level. That adds another $3M to the tax penalty.
Then you pay $1.75 for every dollar between 5 and 10M. That's another 8.75M in tax penalty.
Then you pay $2.50 for every dollar between 10 and 15. Since there's about 4.6M unaccounted for, that's 11.5M.

So if you trade the TPE for Clarkson, we'll pay the prorated portion of his salary for the season (around 4M or so), but pay an extra 23.25M in tax penalties (bringing the total to 27.75M). Is Jordan Crawford worth 31M to PA for the next 25 games or so? And that's not even talking about next year, or one year closer to "repeater".

As a fan I don't care about the tax penalty and just want to acquire talent when the opportunity presents itself and Clarkson is no doubt talent that would raise this team's playoff seeding. That may be the problem though as I am thinking with my fan brain when I shouldn't be.

I appreciate you taking the time to present this side to me.

 

[Propagandist]

C'mon Props this is completely wrong and unfair.

I was kidding, but it's not that far from reality is it? I guess it depends on how much you value getting rocked in the playoffs.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BrianFromWA]

As a fan I don't care about the tax penalty and just want to acquire talent when the opportunity presents itself and Clarkson is no doubt talent that would raise this team's playoff seeding. That may be the problem though as I am thinking with my fan brain when I shouldn't be.

I appreciate you taking the time to present this side to me.

No problem.

 

[Cippy91]

if a move is even made, moe harkless is gone and only to get rid of that contract. Most deals are done right before deadline so there is still time but I anticipate us doing nothing because that’s what Neil is best at. Hope I’m wrong though

 

[BonesJones]

We will see, I think both those lakers are getting dealt, and I don’t think their getting more than expirings and a first back(which my trade offers)Maybe someone with a higher 1st will make an offer but we could have the 12-20 pick depending on how the final couple months go. It’s a buyers market.

You had us getting them both and giving them back a 2md round pick though. Discussing who will offer a 1st is a more realistic discussion, as Randle should fetch a 1st by himself.

 

[hoopsjock]

We should of outbid minny for butler. I think I like him better than PG.

He’s going off on Cavs

And how do you suggest doing that? We don't have the pieces to outbid teams.