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beast blazer said:
One thing all those candidates have in common, is that they won a primary.
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Yeah, that was kind of the entire point of my post. Not just 'a' primary, but 'the primaries'. Thanks for noticing.

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jlprk said:
She had much less Federal experience than most of those names.
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Pretty clear that doesn't matter to today's electorate.
She had more than Obama and Trump, vastly less than Biden.

barfo
 
There's the issue with the tariffs. Businesses are betting what tariff proponents are saying about it making U.S. domestic products more competitive, so they're either moving to other countries, stockpiling goods now or already going to hike prices in anticipation.





 
This is what foreign policy looks when your chief executive is beholden to a foreign national.

 
How misinformation and not being informed can affect an election.

 
I have been on a news break. No newspapers, news programs or news sites. Need time off.
So these are my absolute last words on the subject.

Bullshit about flawed candidate. Last time I checked there are damn few perfect human beings. Harris had solid qualifications, ran on a centrist program. Put forward solutions. She ran a disciplined campaign, kept on message, refused to be baited or sidetracked, united the disparate "herding cats" Democratic coalition, along with some Republicans. Were there errors? Of course, it's called being human. I think too much stress on trying to bring Republicans on board, she would never get more than a sliver. I also think not having Palestinian speaker at convention was a big mistake but that is on DNC, not the candidate. She avoided major gaffes and scandals. Calling her "flawed" while ignoring opponent, like Michele Obama said, she has to be flawless, he can be lawless. Looks to me like "flawed" is euphemism for "woman".

When Harris and Walz said they were underdogs I though that was campaign rhetoric. I think we who worked on campaign and many others underestimated headwinds she was facing. My field of specialty is genetics, not psychology, but I do know something about psychology of trauma. When a traumatic event occurs, and Covid certainly was one, there is a tendency to look at the time just prior with rose colored glasses; those were the good days. And the time before was when Trump was in office. He was in fact very unpopular even before Covid but that isn't remembered. It's just how our brains work. And after trauma is a desire to return to how things were before but life doesn't work that way. We have changed, the country changed, life is unidirectional but again that's how our brains work. I don't except myself, I have had trauma and wanted to just go back. It can't happen.

Post Covid inflation was a worldwide phenomenon; a lot of countries were hit far harder than we were. If you look at elections in capitalist democracies over past 3-4 years, in EVERY case party that was in power during post Covid inflation was voted out. Conservative, liberal, social democratic and every other variant. It wasn't policy; it was just an expression of general malaise. (In most of the swing states, Democrats won Senate seats, so you can't say election was repudiation of Democratic party policies). Harris offered solutions, Trump offered venting, rage, punishment and in the face of widespread discontent people wanted to punish. The irony is Trump policy will make inflation and unemployment much worse.

A friend noted the pull Trump has on young men, surprising for an obese incoherent old man. I started thinking about definitions of "manliness". The traditional definition was a man works hard, supports his family, serves his country when called to do so, keeps a stiff upper lip because no one wants to hear your problems, his word is his bond, a handshake a contract. Obviously this is idealized but that was the image. When a teen boy was told to be a man it meant be responsible for your actions. This definition had a lot of problems, it was sexist, conformist, sometimes blindly patriotic, but still, a man was supposed to be responsible. Trump turned it on his head. He gave a new definition. Men are constantly persecuted but at the same time should be able to do whatever they want without consequences, with himself as Exhibit A. Appealed to young men who either felt unlikely to achieve middle class comfort, or didn't like the idea they should be bothered by care of a family, or figured they would eventually be billionaires or something. Thirty four felony convictions, not a day in jail. Hundreds of millions in civil and criminal penalties and will never pay a dime. Cheats on wives, doesn't pay taxes, assaults women, it's all good. Trump's popularity with young men actually increased after both the Access Hollywood tape and the Madison Square Garden hate fest. See, Trump can do anything! He gets away with everything! What a real man!

Interesting factoid. Trump increased his share of the vote among every demographic except Jewish Americans. There was a big appeal to Jews, based on supporting Israel, because Republicans view Jews and Israel are synonymous. Aside from the fact that many of us are appalled by what is going on in Gaza, Jewish people care deeply about civil liberties, support separation of church and state, sympathize with people fleeing intolerable conditions in their home countries, and really like public schools, libraries and unfettered access to books. Harris won 78% of Jewish voters, up from 74% that supported Biden, and Jewish women supported her by astonishing 88%.

People voted for Biden, not because he was inspiring, but because he was seen as a good and decent man who would appoint sane competent people. A low bar, but one Trump is incapable of achieving. What I have trouble wrapping my head around is that millions of Biden voters, including a majority of white women, preferred a fascist to a woman who was his VP.

What do I expect? A lot of hurt. Some of the masturbatory dreams of the right are not going to happen. Liz Cheney is not going to be sent to Guantanamo, she comes from a very powerful family. But prison population will grow as feeble attempts at criminal justice reform are overturned and poverty criminalized. It's not possible to deport 15 million people. There will be some made for TV raids. But what will happen is driving underground. Immigrants will be subject to super exploitation by employers because they will be terrified. Forget minimum wage, labor laws, protection from physical or sexual abuse.
Public education won't be abolished but we can expect more Oklahoma style Christian indoctrination on public schools, and schools, libraries, museums will proactively change curricula and remove books that might trigger expensive lawsuits. Similarly, I don't think ABC will lose broadcast license but media will self censor to avoid legal action by Trump administration. Social Security could be cut but hardly abolished. However, under Affordable Care Act subsidies have to be renewed by Congress. They won't, and millions will lose health care. Extreme Court might not overturn marriage equality but could very will rule any public or private entity can refuse to recognize a marriage if Jesus. And so on.

I hope I am not forgetting anything because I won't revisit. I haven't really slept for a week. I feel like I don't want to see or speak to anyone but Lashanna but have to force myself to get out, the longer I isolate the harder it will be to get going.
 
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PCmor7 said:
There's the issue with the tariffs. Businesses are betting what tariff proponents are saying about it making U.S. domestic products more competitive, so they're either moving to other countries, stockpiling goods now or already going to hike prices in anticipation.





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People were told
 
PCmor7 said:
This is what foreign policy looks when your chief executive is beholden to a foreign national.

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Threatening dropping NATO over Twitter?
 
Chris Craig said:
Threatening dropping NATO over Twitter?
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Isn't that wild?

I'm heavily into the market and a friend of mine asked me how the election would affect my stocks.

I told the guy "Well, if Trump acts like a relatively normal president and just relaxes some regulations, I'll probably do well like I did this week. But, if he goes nuts with tariffs or starts doing crazy stuff like talking about Haitians eating pets and trading Taiwan for Greenland, then the businesses will get spooked and the market will suffer."

I wished he'd at least have waiting until he got inaugurated for the crazy to start happening.
 
PCmor7 said:
Isn't that wild?

I'm heavily into the market and a friend of mine asked me how the election would affect my stocks.

I told the guy "Well, if Trump acts like a relatively normal president and just relaxes some regulations, I'll probably do well like I did this week. But, if he goes nuts with tariffs or starts doing crazy stuff like talking about Haitians eating pets and trading Taiwan for Greenland, then the businesses will get spooked and the market will suffer."

I wished he'd at least have waiting until he got inaugurated for the crazy to start happening.
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It's stupid is what it is. Threatening our security because Elon doesn't want Twitter regulated in Europe? Ridiculous.

Are they publicly going to post the nuclear codes online if all of Europe doesn't use SpaceX?

Yeah, he's going to do all this crazy shit and the market is going to crash.

Companies already preparing to raise prices on us.

And this was the party that was supposed to bring down inflation and fix the economy.

We immediately got a tweet saying prepare for hardships. Like, get ready for us to fuck you. Thanks for voting for us.
 
Chris Craig said:
It's stupid is what it is. Threatening our security because Elon doesn't want Twitter regulated in Europe? Ridiculous.

Are they publicly going to post the nuclear codes online if all of Europe doesn't use SpaceX?

Yeah, he's going to do all the crash shit and the market is going to crash.

Companies already preparing to raise prices on us.

And this was the party that was supposed to bring down inflation and fix the economy.

We immediately got a tweet saying prepare for hardships. Like, get ready for us to fuck you. Thanks for voting for us.
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Of course, though, they never ran on fixing the economy. They ran on the economy was bad under Biden and there are a lot of killer immigrants roaming the country and transgender girls trying to take your daughter's college athletic scholarship.

I don't think, technically, they ever said they could bring down inflation or fix the economy, because, heck, anyone that looked at their plans for economy would tell you they'd have the opposite effect.
 
I'm curious to see how quickly the boast that there wasn't global chaos in his first term holds up. Pulling out of NATO almost assures Putin will do something. Maybe Trump will try to say "See, I kept us out of this by not being in NATO" and that will be enough because people will be paying $5 for a gallon of gas and an extra couple of dollars for a dozen eggs ... people won't have the time to catch a breath to see the mess in foreign affairs.
 
PCmor7 said:
I'm curious to see how quickly the boast that there wasn't global chaos in his first term holds up. Pulling out of NATO almost assures Putin will do something. Maybe Trump will try to say "See, I kept us out of this by not being in NATO" and that will be enough because people will be paying $5 for a gallon of gas and an extra couple of dollars for a dozen eggs ... people won't have the time to catch a breath to see the mess in foreign affairs.
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I really don't think he will pull us out of NATO, the pentagon and others wont allow it.
 
PCmor7 said:
Isn't that wild?

I'm heavily into the market and a friend of mine asked me how the election would affect my stocks.

I told the guy "Well, if Trump acts like a relatively normal president and just relaxes some regulations, I'll probably do well like I did this week. But, if he goes nuts with tariffs or starts doing crazy stuff like talking about Haitians eating pets and trading Taiwan for Greenland, then the businesses will get spooked and the market will suffer."

I wished he'd at least have waiting until he got inaugurated for the crazy to start happening.
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We'd need a 3rd country in the trade. What does Denmark gain? How about all the horned Viking hats in all American museums? Is Cronin up to this?
 
jlprk said:
We'd need a 3rd country in the trade. What does Denmark gain? How about all the horned Viking hats in all American museums? Is Cronin up to this?
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Rumor has it we're shopping the MAGA shaman from Jan. 6, 2021.
 
PCmor7 said:
People didn't listen.
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we have been listening and witnessing the last 4 years.
America got tired of the non common sense approach that this admin was making in its decision.
I know 90% of this board disagrees with me on that statement, but clearly going by the results of this election (landslide EC and winning PV) the majority of people in the US agree with me.

And no I will not provide a link for every non common sense approach the Biden/Harris admin has made, which some of you will request.
 
Chris Craig said:
At any age. Going for the full ban on transgendered people.

Pretty sure it's already illegal for minors to have transition surgery in any state.
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They give double mastectomies and puberty blockers to minors. So warped and disgusting.

Why has the left rallied behind this? You all literally just go the opposite of what ever trump says.
 
Galakelife said:
we have been listening and witnessing the last 4 years.
America got tired of the non common sense approach that this admin was making in its decision.
I know 90% of this board disagrees with me on that statement, but clearly going by the results of this election (landslide EC and winning PV) the majority of people in the US agree with me.

And no I will not provide a link for every non common sense approach the Biden/Harris admin has made, which some of you will request.
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I'm not asking for a link because I can show you how your idea is deeply flawed without it.

Four years ago, we were in the midst of a global pandemic. Half a million Americans already had died. Millions more had been infected. Businesses had closed. Other businesses were struggling because of mitigation efforts. The supply chain was a disaster.

The U.S. economy was at its worst since the Great Depression, and was fairly worse than any country like us in the world.

We had a leader who'd already done a lot of questionable things after inheriting a great economy from his predecessor, a president, who, BTW, the new president had constantly pushed unfounded rumors about his birthright.

That current president created all kinds of division during 2020, first telling Americans COVID wasn't a big deal that would be gone in a matter of days, to sending mixed messages about whether masking was good or bad, to openly disagreeing with his own immunologist to telling people that maybe ingesting disinfectant or shooting UV light into themselves could be a cure.

Then he lost the election. He challenged the results, which was his right, but all his legal efforts -- more than 60 -- failed. Then he incited his supporters to attack the U.S. Capitol to delay the transfer of power so he could figure out another way to keep it.

As a result, he was impeached in a bipartisan vote and was only a few votes from being removed from office by the Senate.

The president that took over for him almost immediately got a bipartisan infrastructure bill passed that his predecessor had promised and, like so many other things, proved ineffective and failed in doing.

After initial issues getting the economy back on its feet which led to some of the highest inflation figures in the last 50 years, the new president got things turned around. The U.S. economy caught up with similar nations as it recovered and then surpassed them. Some prices even started to recede.

Now we have some of our lowest inflation numbers ever. We recouped the jobs we lost during the previous president's term and added in record numbers. The stock market reached new highs. And salary figures surpassed those of inflation.

When Russia attacked Ukraine, our aid helped the smaller nation not only stop the aggressor hold out longer than the few weeks that was originally expected, to the point that it continues to fight today and even took the fight across the Russian border.

Illegal immigration, a problem for decades, continued to be an issue. After his predecessor pressured his party not to pass a bi-partisan deal authored by one of the most conservative legislators in the country, an executive order was put into effect that dropped illegal entries to their lowest figures in years. BTW, the number of actual stops at the border were higher than ever, despite the problematic state of staffing there created during the previous term.

The new president also helped build on the immensely popular ACA by cutting a deal with pharmaceutical companies to cap prices for insulin for senior Americans. The previous president tried unsuccessfully to cut the entire ACA without any replacement, an action that would have left millions of Americans without healthcare.

Yeah, I don't need any links to show that what you think was common sense had a lot more to do with partisan bias and rhetoric. You are right, your view is common, and you are right that the majority of voters voted along with you. But sense? There's not a lot of sense in voting this guy back in, no. He failed the first time when he had ever reason to succeed.

Now he's got no guardrails, is implementing an economic plan that economists all over the world say will drive up U.S. inflation six times, and is replacing lifelong civil servants with party lackeys. If he fails, it will all be on him, his party, and people like you that were so caught up in slogans that they couldn't even realize or admit things were pretty good and trending even better.

We'll see how your "common sense" works out now with a lot of unprepared people working in the diplomatic corps all over the world, in things like FEMA, when the Department of Education is eliminated, yeah, I'm really anxious to see how that works out and if you'll still be around here if it goes sideways.

Have a good day.
 
beast blazer said:
They give double mastectomies and puberty blockers to minors. So warped and disgusting.

Why has the left rallied behind this? You all literally just go the opposite of what ever trump says.
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Because that's a huge exaggeration and the left actually was rallying behind an at-risk segment of our population that was being oppressed and committing suicide at massive rates while being denied even the most basic gender-affirming care like proper counseling?

You tread in hyperbole like most people walk around their house.
 
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