OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: NOVEMBER 2023

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The Golden State TV announcers were actually saying that Gobert first had Klay in a chokehold, which of course is completely wrong. Gobert had his arms draped over Klay holding his body. That is nothing like putting someone in a chokehold.
The referees seemed to agree, because Gobert wasn't ejected and instead shot free throws.
Klay, Jaden McDaniels, and Draymond were ejected.

they also said Klay was just boxing out, but he clearly grabbed ahold of McDaniels Jersey as he was "boxing out."

"Every team has an enforcer. The Warriors have Draymond."
"The reason that Draymond went so demonstrably at Gobert, is that Gobert had Klay in a headlock."
 
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I dislike much of what Draymond does, but you guys are nuts calling that a sleeper hold and what not. Watch it closer, it's a loose grip. It's closer to dragging Gobert away from the action than it is choking him. It was just a bad choice of how to latch on.

If a Blazer did that, most people here would be celebrating him for standing up for a teammate.
 
handiman said:
I dislike much of what Draymond does, but you guys are nuts calling that a sleeper hold and what not. Watch it closer, it's a loose grip. It's closer to dragging Gobert away from the action than it is choking him. It was just a bad choice of how to latch on.

If a Blazer did that, most people here would be celebrating him for standing up for a teammate.
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You think the Warriors fans are celebrating?
 
blazerfan11 said:
Wembanyama himself hasn't shot the ball well in 3 out of the last 4 games. The NBA is adjusting to him and learning his weaknesses. Many times a big man will get the correct position against Wemby and stop him in his tracks.

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Another dismal shooting night for Victor Wembanyama, 4-15 vs OKC. What kinds of shots is he taking? He's 7'4".

Look at Victor's total for free throws in the last two games: Zero.

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handiman said:
I dislike much of what Draymond does, but you guys are nuts calling that a sleeper hold and what not. Watch it closer, it's a loose grip. It's closer to dragging Gobert away from the action than it is choking him. It was just a bad choice of how to latch on.

If a Blazer did that, most people here would be celebrating him for standing up for a teammate.
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...how much closer should I be looking here, did you see this too?! :dunno:
 
Haakzilla said:
...how much closer should I be looking here, did you see this too?! :dunno:
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This is the result of years of enabling Draymond Green by the NBA and the Golden State Warriors.
Who is the other player in the NBA that has sucker-punched his own teammate in like forever?
He didn't even get a suspension for that.
 
Haakzilla said:
...how much closer should I be looking here, did you see this too?! :dunno:
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Still shots don't show the movement of the loose hold...

Gobert is raising his arms like "WTF?", not struggling to get out of a choke hold.
 
Shaboid said:
Coming from behind and putting someone in the sleeper, that's assault at a minimum.
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If any of us went to work and did that we'd be fired and jailed. Draymond gets to act this way freely because the NBA and Warriors have enabled and allowed it.

There needs to be a big suspension here. This shouldn't be tolerated. As it is it will just be a 1 maybe 2 game suspension probably.
 
blazerfan11 said:
This is the result of years of enabling Draymond Green by the NBA and the Golden State Warriors.
Who is the other player in the NBA that has sucker-punched his own teammate in like forever?
He didn't even get a suspension for that.
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He hit Jordan Poole (or is that Jordan Tool). Shoulda got a medal in my book.....Poole had it coming.
 
handiman said:
Still shots don't show the movement of the loose hold...

Gobert is raising his arms like "WTF?", not struggling to get out of a choke hold.
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I just rewatched it and no he didn't squeeze but that's obviously putting him in a rear naked choke... it's even under the chin. The "bad choice of how to latch on" is called a gable grip. You don't pull someone away from the action with their throat in the crook of your elbow. Obviously Dray wasn't trying to put Gobert to sleep but he was definitely trying to put him in a position to show him he could. Not an accident. Typical Draymond bullshit. He should be suspended for multiple games because you just can't have guys holding other guys by means of strangulation no mater how tight it got.
 
blazerkor said:
I just rewatched it and no he didn't squeeze but that's obviously putting him in a rear naked choke... it's even under the chin. The "bad choice of how to latch on" is called a gable grip. You don't pull someone away from the action with their throat in the crook of your elbow. Obviously Dray wasn't trying to put Gobert to sleep but he was definitely trying to put him in a position to show him he could. Not an accident. Typical Draymond bullshit. He should be suspended for multiple games because you just can't have guys holding other guys by means of strangulation no mater how tight it got.
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I don't disagree with any of that. It was a terrible decision by Draymond, and very similar to the chest stomping incident where he thought better of it mid-stomp and ended up doing something that looked way worse than it really was. My only issue is with the people calling it a sleeper hold, assault, etc. That's either lack of observational skills or confirmation bias.
 
handiman said:
I don't disagree with any of that. It was a terrible decision by Draymond, and very similar to the chest stomping incident where he thought better of it mid-stomp and ended up doing something that looked way worse than it really was. My only issue is with the people calling it a sleeper hold, assault, etc. That's either lack of observational skills or confirmation bias.
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Well it's absolutely assault. If you don't believe me, go do that to someone in public and let me know how it turns out.
 
handiman said:
Still shots don't show the movement of the loose hold...

Gobert is raising his arms like "WTF?", not struggling to get out of a choke hold.
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...the next slide is full video with other angles -- you see what you see I guess :dunno:
 
Lillard with 14 points and 5 assists in the 1st quarter in Toronto. No Giannis tonight.

Milwaukee leads, 36-20.
 
Im a little disappointed in Steve Kerr's response. I get defending your players, etc, but Draymond is 100% in the wrong here. And that's not saying that Rudy himself isn't also at fault (tho not to the same degree). Nor is it saying that Klay is an innocent bystander either.

But to act like Draymond just reacted because Rudy has his "hands" on Klays neck is horse shit.

And then to hear the announcers (I assume GSW?) acting like what Draymond did was perfectly ok, was a bit much too.
 
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