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Wemby is averaging 31.5 minutes; Clingan is averaging 16.3 minutes. It's a little easier to chase blocks while plating limited minutes. If Clingan gets up around 25 minutes a game and is still leading in blocked shot numbers, that's a different matter. Wemby is also carrying the 'burden' of a 31% usage rate; Clingan is at 14%.
 
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julius said:
He's still not in game shape (but he's getting better every game) and honestly, he's not really muscular/strong like he could be after a season or two of working out in an NBA quality system.
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people keep saying this. Did he have an injury this summer I wasn't aware of? Did he miss part of training camp?
 
wizenheimer said:
people keep saying this. Did he have an injury this summer I wasn't aware of? Did he miss part of training camp?
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I don't think it's an injury issue, as much as he's a big dude who hasn't had to play lots of minutes in games. Edey had a similar minutes issue up until his junior year, and currently is only played about 20 minutes a night.
 
5 different stats, 5 different players. I like that.
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Wizard Mentor said:
5 different stats, 5 different players. I like that.
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I don't like one big aspect of that. Jerami Grant and Deandre Ayton should not be on that list.

It should be:

Points: Shaedon Sharpe Sharpe has outscored Grant 82-38 the last 3 games. As it should be.

Rebounds: Donovan Clingan or Robert Williams III

Assists: Scoot Henderson (or Dalano Banton)

Steals: Toumani Camara

Blocks: Donovan Clingan
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Was crazy Denver let's Bruce Brown and KCP walk then gives an injured Murray the supermax. He's basically CJ production, never been All NBA, never been an all-star.

I guess he was all rookie 2nd team, congrats.

Actually seems like a Blazers move, both being cheap and handing out overpaid contracts at the same time.

I always thought it was horrible how Lillard was never paired with great teammates here, somehow the Nuggets have treated Jokic worse.
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He has a title that he helped with. One we can’t say since 1977 so there’s that
 
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wizenheimer said:
Wemby is averaging 31.5 minutes; Clingan is averaging 16.3 minutes. It's a little easier to chase blocks while plating limited minutes. If Clingan gets up around 25 minutes a game and is still leading in blocked shot numbers, that's a different matter. Wemby is also carrying the 'burden' of a 31% usage rate; Clingan is at 14%.
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Doesn't more minutes also mean he has more opportunities to block shots?
 
julius said:
Doesn't more minutes also mean he has more opportunities to block shots?
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That was my thought? I could see it would maybe change the per possession number though because he might get more tired?
 
julius said:
I was responding to a comment about minutes averages compared to opportunity for blocks.
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The comment you replied to was talking about Clingan leading Wemby in blocks per 100 possessions, not leading him in blocks per game (he doesn't)
 
SharpesTriumph said:
The comment you replied to was talking about Clingan leading Wemby in blocks per 100 possessions, not leading him in blocks per game (he doesn't)
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This is the post I directly responded to.

"Wemby is averaging 31.5 minutes; Clingan is averaging 16.3 minutes. It's a little easier to chase blocks while playing limited minutes. If Clingan gets up around 25 minutes a game and is still leading in blocked shot numbers, that's a different matter. Wemby is also carrying the 'burden' of a 31% usage rate; Clingan is at 14%."

Show me where he talks about blocks per 100 possessions.
 
julius said:
Doesn't more minutes also mean he has more opportunities to block shots?
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sure....but we weren't talking about raw blocks numbers. We were talking about blocks/100-possessions; and blocked shot rates. You posted "per 100 plays (or whatever it is)". Those aren't impacted by minutes/game averages.

Blazers average 100.6 possessions in a game. That's about 2.1 possessions a minute. Spurs average 2.04 possessions a minute. With the current minutes average, Clingan has to defend 34 possessions a game. Wemby has to defend 64. Players, especially bigs, who play 30+ minutes need to pace themselves. That's going to be even more true for high usage players like Wemby, who is a big, and is heavily involved in, and expend more energy, on offense. Blocking shots, after accounting for size and length, is about energy and reaction. It's a lot easier to have energy and faster reaction playing limited minutes
 
julius said:
This is the post I directly responded to.

"Wemby is averaging 31.5 minutes; Clingan is averaging 16.3 minutes. It's a little easier to chase blocks while playing limited minutes. If Clingan gets up around 25 minutes a game and is still leading in blocked shot numbers, that's a different matter. Wemby is also carrying the 'burden' of a 31% usage rate; Clingan is at 14%."

Show me where he talks about blocks per 100 possessions.
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you might want to think about trying some of these:

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YOU were the one that initially brought up blocks per 100 plays; it wasn't me

julius said:
Yet, he's averaging more blocks per 100 plays (or whatever it is), and opponents are shooting a much worse % in the paint when he's playing than the other two.
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wizenheimer said:
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YOU were the one that initially brought up blocks per 100 plays; it wasn't me
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yeah, which then you said wemby averaged more minutes and I said yeah, more minutes would also mean more opportunities.
 
Tough to define a difference between possessions and minutes. Obviously with more minutes you have more possessions.
 
to add to the kerfuffle, according to NBA.com:

opponent FG% at less than 5 feet: Clingan 64.3% (9.2 attempts)....Wemby 58.1% (19.1 attempts)
opponent FG% at 5-9': Clingan 23.3% (3.1 attempts)....Wemby 32.2% (4.5 attempts)
opponent FG% at 10-14': Clingan 60.0% (1.8 attempts)....Wemby 46.9% (3.8 attempts)
opponent FG% at 15-19': Clingan 42.3% (1.9 attempts)....Wemby 35.7% (4.3 attempts)
opponent FG% at 20-24': Clingan 43.4% (5.9 attempts)....Wemby 36.1% (10.0 attempts)....I'm kind of skeptical about the numbers at this distance

if you aggregate all those numbers, Wemby is better at every zone but one and he's defending 41.7 shots while Clingan is defending 21.9

as for 'bigs' who defend at least 10 attempts and their opponent FG% at the rim (less than 5')

Isaiah Jackson 49.3
Chet Holmgren 50.2
De'Andre Hunter 52.3
Evan Mobley 55.5
Bobby Portis 56.1
Scottie Barnes 56.1
Robert Williams III 56.8
Jaren Jackson Jr. 56.9
Alperen Sengun 57.3
Brandon Clarke 57.3
Brook Lopez 57.3
Goga Bitadze 58.0
Victor Wembanyama 58.1
Draymond Green 58.7
Jaime Jaquez Jr. 58.7
Dereck Lively II 59.2
Moussa Diabate 59.3
Paolo Banchero 59.3
Isaiah Stewart 59.4
Giannis Antetokounmpo 59.5
Jalen Duren 59.6
Jarrett Allen 59.8
Wendell Carter Jr. 59.8
Trayce Jackson-Davis 59.9
Zion Williamson 60.0
Jonathan Kuminga 60.3
Kevin Durant 60.5
Moritz Wagner 61.0
Larry Nance Jr. 61.1
Rudy Gobert 61.3
Clint Capela 61.4
Damian Lillard 61.6 (how did he get in here?)
Kevon Looney 61.8
Franz Wagner 62.0
Jusuf Nurkić 62.2
Daniel Gafford 62.6
Onyeka Okongwu 62.6
Santi Aldama 62.7
Domantas Sabonis 62.9
Nick Richards 62.9
Chris Boucher 63.5
Julius Randle 63.5
Zach Edey 63.6
Deni Avdija 63.9
Andre Drummond 64.1
John Collins 64.1
Donovan Clingan 64.3 (the only one here with less than 10 attempts defended a game)
Steven Adams 64.3
Walker Kessler 64.7
Anthony Davis 64.8
Zach Collins 64.9

dozens of wings and guards rank higher but they are usually defending similar size players
 
julius said:
yeah, which then you said wemby averaged more minutes and I said yeah, more minutes would also mean more opportunities.
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More minutes leading to more opportunities doesn't impact rates. Blocks/100-possessions is a rates stat
 
wizenheimer said:
to add to the kerfuffle, according to NBA.com:

opponent FG% at less than 5 feet: Clingan 64.3% (9.2 attempts)....Wemby 58.1% (19.1 attempts)
opponent FG% at 5-9': Clingan 23.3% (3.1 attempts)....Wemby 32.2% (4.5 attempts)
opponent FG% at 10-14': Clingan 60.0% (1.8 attempts)....Wemby 46.9% (3.8 attempts)
opponent FG% at 15-19': Clingan 42.3% (1.9 attempts)....Wemby 35.7% (4.3 attempts)
opponent FG% at 20-24': Clingan 43.4% (5.9 attempts)....Wemby 36.1% (10.0 attempts)....I'm kind of skeptical about the numbers at this distance

if you aggregate all those numbers, Wemby is better at every zone but one and he's defending 41.7 shots while Clingan is defending 21.9

as for 'bigs' who defend at least 10 attempts and their opponent FG% at the rim (less than 5')

Isaiah Jackson 49.3
Chet Holmgren 50.2
De'Andre Hunter 52.3
Evan Mobley 55.5
Bobby Portis 56.1
Scottie Barnes 56.1
Robert Williams III 56.8
Jaren Jackson Jr. 56.9
Alperen Sengun 57.3
Brandon Clarke 57.3
Brook Lopez 57.3
Goga Bitadze 58.0
Victor Wembanyama 58.1
Draymond Green 58.7
Jaime Jaquez Jr. 58.7
Dereck Lively II 59.2
Moussa Diabate 59.3
Paolo Banchero 59.3
Isaiah Stewart 59.4
Giannis Antetokounmpo 59.5
Jalen Duren 59.6
Jarrett Allen 59.8
Wendell Carter Jr. 59.8
Trayce Jackson-Davis 59.9
Zion Williamson 60.0
Jonathan Kuminga 60.3
Kevin Durant 60.5
Moritz Wagner 61.0
Larry Nance Jr. 61.1
Rudy Gobert 61.3
Clint Capela 61.4
Damian Lillard 61.6 (how did he get in here?)
Kevon Looney 61.8
Franz Wagner 62.0
Jusuf Nurkić 62.2
Daniel Gafford 62.6
Onyeka Okongwu 62.6
Santi Aldama 62.7
Domantas Sabonis 62.9
Nick Richards 62.9
Chris Boucher 63.5
Julius Randle 63.5
Zach Edey 63.6
Deni Avdija 63.9
Andre Drummond 64.1
John Collins 64.1
Donovan Clingan 64.3 (the only one here with less than 10 attempts defended a game)
Steven Adams 64.3
Walker Kessler 64.7
Anthony Davis 64.8
Zach Collins 64.9

dozens of wings and guards rank higher but they are usually defending similar size players
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NERD!
A nice nerd but a nerd nonetheless.

you even used Kerfuffle.
 
kjironman1 said:
NERD!
A nice nerd but a nerd nonetheless.

you even used Kerfuffle.
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good point...probably guilty

don't get me wrong...I've liked what I've seen from Clingan so far. I have been a bit surprised by his impact. But I think we need to slow the roll on the DPOY stuff until we see how he does playing over 25 minutes a game
 
wizenheimer said:
good point...probably guilty

don't get me wrong...I've liked what I've seen from Clingan so far. I have been a bit surprised by his impact. But I think we need to slow the roll on the DPOY stuff until we see how he does playing over 25 minutes a game
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Would've thought his opponents % would be lower. He looks very good defending inside to me. Hard to know how much of those made shots are small sample size or other teammates defensive breakdowns, or actually him allowing a good look. Obviously his block rate is historical.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Time to deal with Morey. Take PG13s awful contract (what was Morey thinking? and they have a lot of other crap in the 5M/year range) and send JG et al out and get McCain and a FRP and filler in return.
 
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