Exclusive OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: NOVEMBER 2024

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
MickZagger said:
Also helps that Dillingham is a threat to hit 3’s.
Click to expand...
Yeah, Scoot has been horrible in that area and with the changes to the NBA game I'm not sure you can have a starting PG be effective that is such a bad shooter. People point to Westbrook, but there were FAR fewer 3pt shots taken when Westbrook was a rookie.

I suppose if we space the floor with 4 shooters and Scoot, then have Scoot drive every possession his shooting isn't as harmful. That sounds more like a backup role though.

At some point this year or this off-season we might just have to plan that Scoot isn't a core piece of the team. Not saying we should cut him or 100% bench him, but we might want to consider taking a PG with our lottery pick if that's the best player. Or we might want to cough up some money for Banton who's been a far more effective player. Or if we trade Simons we might want to be open to a PG coming back in the deal.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yeah, Scoot has been horrible in that area and with the changes to the NBA game I'm not sure you can have a starting PG be effective that is such a bad shooter. People point to Westbrook, but there were FAR fewer 3pt shots taken when Westbrook was a rookie.

I suppose if we space the floor with 4 shooters and Scoot, then have Scoot drive every possession his shooting isn't as harmful. That sounds more like a backup role though.

At some point this year or this off-season we might just have to plan that Scoot isn't a core piece of the team. Not saying we should cut him or 100% bench him, but we might want to consider taking a PG with our lottery pick if that's the best player. Or we might want to cough up some money for Banton who's been a far more effective player. Or if we trade Simons we might want to be open to a PG coming back in the deal.
Click to expand...

Eventually this will happen. Blazers know I’m sure
 
THE HCP said:
Oh you were expecting Scoot to come in and be able to hit 3s?
Click to expand...

At this point I’m not sure he’ll develop one. Bruh, I was looking for it to be improved over the offseason and it’s regressed. Teams dare him to shoot it too.
 
THE HCP said:
Oh you were expecting Scoot to come in and be able to hit 3s?
Click to expand...
He seemed to have great free throws, a nice stroke, and an intense work ethic, so I was hoping he could yes become someone that shot at least average 3s during his first few years. We're now about a year and a half into his Blazer career with nearly zero improvement, so I'm questioning if he will ever develop that skill.

More concerning than his 3s is his abysmal finishing inside and passes he throws into the stands. I thought he would be elite in these areas but he's below average here as well, which is why he isn't even a good bench level NBA player today.

Again not saying we should cut him or bench him completely or he can't eventually have some improvements. But we're going to be coming up on a time soon where he isn't penciled in as a likely starting PG for this team long term. We may even already be past that point.

There's a few dozen rookies/sophomores that have brighter futures today than Scoot, including 3 on the Blazers.
 
Wolves 2-7 in their last 9….. no doubt in my mind NYC won that trade.
 
Someone tell me this Warriors roster without Curry has any business being in this game. Tell me it’s talent and not coaching.

They got a 6’3” white dude from Northwestern named Pat Spencer out there getting meaningful minutes. Lindy Waters?

They’ve made this a game with these scrubs.
 


I see why the Blazers were highly considering taking Amen at 3. Should have stuck with their gut. This is who everybody hyped scoot would be
 
AldoTrapani said:


I see why the Blazers were highly considering taking Amen at 3. Should have stuck with their gut. This is who everybody hyped scoot would be
Click to expand...

Is this where someone says "he's still really young"? I mean Amen is a whole year older right?
 
Amen is elite at 2s and defense, the rocket fans are excited, and they should be.
But, the maligned Scoot is shooting better from 3, has a significantly more assists, and a much better ast/to.

Yes, Amen plays point.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Amen is elite at 2s and defense, the rocket fans are excited, and they should be.
But, the maligned Scoot is shooting better from 3, has a significantly more assists, and a much better ast/to.

Yes, Amen plays point.
Click to expand...

Both of them, and I'd argue Asur too, were mishandled by Elite (or whatever the name was). It put them back at least 2 years development wise, IMHO.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Amen is elite at 2s and defense, the rocket fans are excited, and they should be.
But, the maligned Scoot is shooting better from 3, has a significantly more assists, and a much better ast/to.

Yes, Amen plays point.
Click to expand...
I would argue that Amen's ceiling is Andre Iguodala. Now, that's pretty fucking good. Scoot's ceiling was supposed to be, I don't know, Baron Davis II?
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Amen is elite at 2s and defense, the rocket fans are excited, and they should be.
But, the maligned Scoot is shooting better from 3, has a significantly more assists, and a much better ast/to.

Yes, Amen plays point.
Click to expand...

when?

upload_2024-11-28_9-12-5.png
 

Attachments

  • upload_2024-11-28_9-12-5.png
    upload_2024-11-28_9-12-5.png
    33.9 KB · Views: 74
THE HCP said:
Wolves 2-7 in their last 9….. no doubt in my mind NYC won that trade.
Click to expand...
Of course you're ignoring that the Knicks ALSO acquired Mikal Bridges, who is leading the team in +/- over that span (by a significant margin).

I think the trade made both teams slightly worse. It made the Knicks' defense (their calling card) average at best and it ruined the Wolves' spacing, so now Edwards shoots a ridiculous number of threes.
 
now, this is for their careers to this point in time:

upload_2024-11-28_9-17-53.png

if you just want a comparison for this season:

upload_2024-11-28_9-19-43.png

upload_2024-11-28_9-20-29.png

more comparisons of this season:

44% of Amen's shots are at the rim and he's converting at a 77.6% rate; that's excellent. 39% of Scoot's shots are at the rim and he's converting at a 55.4% rate

Scoot is a slightly better FT shooter but his FT Rate is .265; Amen's FT Rate is .523. That's one reason Amen has a far superior TS%

all that said, I'm not sure at this point I'd take Amen over Scoot. Probably, but not if it meant Simons would be a Blazer long term
 

Attachments

  • upload_2024-11-28_9-17-53.png
    upload_2024-11-28_9-17-53.png
    43.8 KB · Views: 73
  • upload_2024-11-28_9-19-43.png
    upload_2024-11-28_9-19-43.png
    103.6 KB · Views: 78
  • upload_2024-11-28_9-20-29.png
    upload_2024-11-28_9-20-29.png
    43.1 KB · Views: 73
Rastapopoulos said:
I'd love to know who works out that percentage!
Click to expand...

BBREF used to use Synergy for their numbers; not sure if they still do.

considering that VanVleet + Shepard are combining to average 47 minutes a game, I'd think the numbers are close
 
wizenheimer said:
all that said, I'm not sure at this point I'd take Amen over Scoot. Probably, but not if it meant Simons would be a Blazer long term
Click to expand...

Odd that you could come to such a conclusion. Amen was supposed to be years behind Scoot development, but is far superior offensively today, has way better all-NBA level defense.

Simons has nothing to do with either and zero impact if these guys would ever be part of a contender which should be the ultimate aim.
 
Every time I see this guy continue to blossom it makes me mad that Olshey traded the pick that could have been used to take him for Robert Covington

 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top