OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: SEPTEMBER 2023

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James lamphear said:
Remember LeBron wouldn't have the most points in history if they had the same rules when you could come out to be in the draft.
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he's played 20 seasons and has averaged 71 games a year. He averaged 29 pts, 8 rebs, and 7 asts at 38 years old. Even with the same rules I don't think many players could match that. Kareem averaged 23 & 6 at 38. Parish 14 & 9. Larry Bird had to retire because of his back at 35. Hakeem averaged 12 & 7 at 38
 
So the "Official" around the NBA thread has turned into a discussion about who is better Jordan or Lebron?
The season cannot start soon enough. I'll give you all one thing. At least you aren't talking about trades.
 
andalusian said:
I have lost track of what we are talking about, but Lew Alcindor was a pretty decent defender even if Wilt used to claim that he was not.

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So you found ONE of the TWO! Nice work.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah, Shaq and Duncan were every bit as good as LeBron. Shaq was far more dominant. Agreed.

LeBron is a better leader than Shaq was though.

I'd take Duncan over LeBron.
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Shaw’s size actually makes what he did LESS impressive…..and I LOVE Shaq.
 
THE HCP said:
Shaw’s size actually makes what he did LESS impressive…..and I LOVE Shaq.
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Agreed, that's why I don't have Shaq ranked higher. But it was AWESOME to watch (when he played other teams). And I love Shaq's sense of humor.
 
THE HCP said:
So you found ONE of the TWO! Nice work.
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Dude, please.

Wilt Chamberlain averaged 22.0 rebounds, 15.7 points and 5.2 assists in 47 games versus Nate Thurmond in his career.

Nate Thurmond averaged 20.7 rebounds, 16.6 points and 3.2 assists in 47 games versus Wilt Chamberlain in his career.

I found 2 of 3, at least. You could argue that Wllis Reed was not too bad a defender against Wilt.
 
andalusian said:
Dude, please.

Wilt Chamberlain averaged 22.0 rebounds, 15.7 points and 5.2 assists in 47 games versus Nate Thurmond in his career.

Nate Thurmond averaged 20.7 rebounds, 16.6 points and 3.2 assists in 47 games versus Wilt Chamberlain in his career.

I found 2 of 3, at least. You could argue that Wllis Reed was not too bad a defender against Wilt.
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there were other bigs in the last half of Wilt's career too

Walt Bellamy
Zelmo Beaty
Leroy Ellis
Darrell Imhoff
Wes Unseld
Elvin Hayes
Dave Cowens

Wilt was mostly a man among boys for his first 5 seasons, but after that, lots of big men started showing up
 
wizenheimer said:
there were other bigs in the last half of Wilt's career too

Walt Bellamy
Zelmo Beaty
Leroy Ellis
Darrell Imhoff
Wes Unseld
Elvin Hayes
Dave Cowens

Wilt was mostly a man among boys for his first 5 seasons, but after that, lots of big men started showing up
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I do wonder if any of those players could even make an NBA roster today. Personally I don’t think so?
 
kjironman1 said:
I do wonder if any of those players could even make an NBA roster today. Personally I don’t think so?
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Hayes, Cowens, and Unseld would most definitely make teams, for different reasons. Beaty was very mobile
 
wizenheimer said:
Hayes, Cowens, and Unseld would most definitely make teams, for different reasons. Beaty was very mobile
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Seriously Doubt it but maybe?
Just a different breed that plays today. Wes Unseld would be my maybe but even he wasn’t really fast enough for today’s game.
 
kjironman1 said:
Seriously Doubt it but maybe?
Just a different breed that plays today. Wes Unseld would be my maybe but even he wasn’t really fast enough for today’s game.
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did you see Cowens play? He'd fit right into this version of the NBA. I'm not talking about stuffing him in a time machine and bringing him forward forty years. I'm talking about these players developing in the era of the 3 point shot and dribble drive/passing offenses. Hayes was pretty similar. He was KAT with defense
 
wizenheimer said:
did you see Cowens play? He'd fit right into this version of the NBA. I'm not talking about stuffing him in a time machine and bringing him forward forty years. I'm talking about these players developing in the era of the 3 point shot and dribble drive/passing offenses. Hayes was pretty similar. He was KAT with defense
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I could be wrong but that seems a bit over the top?
So now you are saying those players growing up today and with the scientific research and results players have at their disposal today that they would be able to play in todays game. Well yeah. Isn’t that what the whole conversation has been about?
 
Just heard Tas Melas of the Starters and No Dunks has been in a serious accident hit by a car while walking outside the Braves stadium..just got out of ICU after a week and has a fractured skull, brain bleed and is all kinds of fucked up. Wish him a speedy recovery and was sorry to hear of his accident. Always liked Tas.
 
riverman said:
Just heard Tas Melas of the Starters and No Dunks has been in a serious accident hit by a car while walking outside the Braves stadium..just got out of ICU after a week and has a fractured skull, brain bleed and is all kinds of fucked up. Wish him a speedy recovery and was sorry to hear of his accident. Always liked Tas.
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Omg this is terrible,
 
riverman said:
Just heard Tas Melas of the Starters and No Dunks has been in a serious accident hit by a car while walking outside the Braves stadium..just got out of ICU after a week and has a fractured skull, brain bleed and is all kinds of fucked up. Wish him a speedy recovery and was sorry to hear of his accident. Always liked Tas.
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I just google searched this and found nothing
 
Pinwheel1 said:
These guys are rightly concerned with Toronto mortgaging the future for Dame. It seems to be the "3 picks" that they are uneasy with. I would too if I were them. Teams who offer lots of picks should have an excess of picks in order to do so....not just their own.
That being said, I think Toronto can offer a package without including more than one pick.
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yeah, Toronto can only offer one pick

but Portland should not accept considering that OG could be a one year rental. OG doesn't have the value of a player with 3 years left on his deal. He's an expiring contract and that significantly ratchets down his value. Toronto would be adding a top-10 player, and the "centerpiece" they are offering is a lower-impact player on an expiring contract. They shouldn't skate by losing only 1 draft pick
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, Toronto can only offer one pick

but Portland should not accept considering that OG could be a one year rental. OG doesn't have the value of a player with 3 years left on his deal. He's an expiring contract and that significantly ratchets down his value. Toronto would be adding a top-10 player, and the "centerpiece" they are offering is a lower-impact player on an expiring contract. They shouldn't skate by losing only 1 draft pick
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I think OG should be rerouted to a third team that feels more confident that they would be able to keep him, most likely because they are expecting to be more competitive than us or we just find out some preferred destinations for OG and work off of that list.

Also it's my understanding that Toronto could offer both their FRPs in 2028 and 2030, since if they haven't conveyed the FRP they owe the Spurs by 2026 that FRP becomes second rounders in 2026 and 2027.
 
blazerkor said:
I think OG should be rerouted to a third team that feels more confident that they would be able to keep him, most likely because they are expecting to be more competitive than us or we just find out some preferred destinations for OG and work off of that list.

Also it's my understanding that Toronto could offer both their FRPs in 2028 and 2030, since if they haven't conveyed the FRP they owe the Spurs by 2026 that FRP becomes second rounders in 2026 and 2027.
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I think the minimum they should give, draft-wise, is the 2028 unprotected, the 2030 maybe-protected, Gradey Dick, and some 2nds

other than that, OG (expiring) + Boucher + Young is not that good of a package and only a little better than Miami's
 
wizenheimer said:
I think the minimum they should give, draft-wise, is the 2028 unprotected, the 2030 maybe-protected, Gradey Dick, and some 2nds

other than that, OG (expiring) + Boucher + Young is not that good of a package and only a little better than Miami's
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I don't even think we should want Boucher, he should be replaced by Porter and Precious who is a RFA. I think Boucher is better right now than Precious and that should make Toronto ready to give up more value. Maybe we even get Koloko.

Honestly we still wouldn't be winning the trade if it was Dick, their FRPs in 2028 and 2030, OG, Precious, Koloko, Young, Porter, swaps and SRPs that Toronto sent out while acquiring Dame. I know we're almost certainly going to come out on the losing side of this deal anyway but we should be trying to get as close to equal value coming back as possible.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, Toronto can only offer one pick

but Portland should not accept considering that OG could be a one-year rental. OG doesn't have the value of a player with 3 years left on his deal. He's an expiring contract and that significantly ratchets down his value. Toronto would be adding a top-10 player, and the "centerpiece" they are offering is a lower-impact player on an expiring contract. They shouldn't skate by losing only 1 draft pick
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What if we do re-sign OG next summer? I am sure that is what Toronto would argue. He is going to command 30 million next year, maybe more with the way things are going. Can top teams create that amount of cap space just for him? Who would we be competing with? Maybe the deal includes extra picks if he does not re-sign. (Is that an option?)

Personally, I would rather have OG and this last year's lottery pick (Gradey Dick) plus filler than an extra future non-lottery pick.
 
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