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If the Lakers' only goal is to be better than the 2021-22 Blazers, they should manage to meet that goal.

You were comparing them to the Jordan/Pippen Bulls earlier, which is a little bit higher a standard.
What? You’re going to have to find those posts bro. I believe I posted a picture of ages…..never said they were at that level. I’m simply saying, people on here are destroying the Lakers moves, yet praising ours. Just trying to keep it real around here though all the pinwheel fog.
 
I assume you mean, how will they have a better record than the Blazers, and the answer is better health for James and Davis. If they're as injured this season as last season, they're going to struggle.
So the Jinx must think the Lakers will have the same injury situation, but not his Blazers? And did he say they will finish 5th?
 
I'm happy we don't have a Christmas game. I'd watch some if they did, but usually with family most of the day, so it'd be background more than anything. Glad our guys get to be with their families.
Amen to this brother.
 
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What? You’re going to have to find those posts bro. I believe I posted a picture of ages…..never said they were at that level.

What's the point of the picture if not a comparison. Own it, bro. Don't backpedal.

I’m simply saying, people on here are destroying the Lakers moves, yet praising ours. Just trying to keep it real around here though all the pinwheel fog.

First of all, most people are dragging the hell out of Olshey and his "moves." Second of all, you were replying to me and I sure as hell haven't praised the Blazers' moves. I think the Blazers and Lakers had pretty poor offseasons.

Just for the future, if I say "That's a bad move by the Lakers," responding "But is he better than <random player on the Blazers>?" isn't very compelling. I don't have a high opinion of most of the Blazers' roster.
 
What's the point of the picture if not a comparison. Own it, bro. Don't backpedal.



First of all, most people are dragging the hell out of Olshey and his "moves." Second of all, you were replying to me and I sure as hell haven't praised the Blazers' moves. I think the Blazers and Lakers had pretty poor offseasons.

Just for the future, if I say "That's a bad move by the Lakers," responding "But is he better than <random player on the Blazers>?" isn't very compelling. I don't have a high opinion of most of the Blazers' roster.
I posted that picture because people were blasting the Lakers for being so old, which they are, but I was just saying that you’d be surprised what old teams can accomplish. I don’t think they will win 70 games…..I’m thinking they will float at some times…..deal with some injuries….. get 55 wins or so and home court advantage and wait for the playoffs. Will they win it all, I think they can get to the finals. It’s just funny to me because people hate the team, they can’t give any props on the moves.
 
I posted that picture because people were blasting the Lakers for being so old, which they are, but I was just saying that you’d be surprised what old teams can accomplish. I don’t think they will win 70 games…..I’m thinking they will float at some times…..deal with some injuries….. get 55 wins or so and home court advantage and wait for the playoffs. Will they win it all, I think they can get to the finals. It’s just funny to me because people hate the team, they can’t give any props on the moves.
Being a fan of a team that hasn't won one in 44 years will do that to people. Jealousy kicks in.

Rightfully so when the Lakers fans treat us like a nothing team, players repeatedly take less to go there and we can't really entice decent free agents even if we offer more money.

But, still. Lakers are a historic franchise. They have to be considered potential contenders next year. We can't.

But still. Laker
 
Lakers already won this season. This picture looks like bag with dollars. It looks like "ocean's eleven". You just watch it. Watch it. Dollars.
 
It’s just funny to me because people hate the team, they can’t give any props on the moves.

I can give props for moves I think are good. I think signing James was incredible. I think the trade for Davis was great. I think Caruso was a tremendous under-the-radar find. They clearly built a great team, since they won a championship.

I simply feel that, in their desire for star power, they lost sight of both what made them special in their title year (defense) and what they're weak at (shooting/spacing). Their offseason moves reduced their defense and didn't address their greatest weakness and the star they got, I believe does not fit well with the stars they have. It's not a question of "not enough basketballs for everyone," it's that Westbrook's strengths and weaknesses don't harmonize with the strengths of the James/Davis pairing.

But we'll see! That's the beauty of reality--it can prove me right or wrong.
 
I can give props for moves I think are good. I think signing James was incredible. I think the trade for Davis was great. I think Caruso was a tremendous under-the-radar find. They clearly built a great team, since they won a championship.

I simply feel that, in their desire for star power, they lost sight of both what made them special in their title year (defense) and what they're weak at (shooting/spacing). Their offseason moves reduced their defense and didn't address their greatest weakness and the star they got, I believe does not fit well with the stars they have. It's not a question of "not enough basketballs for everyone," it's that Westbrook's strengths and weaknesses don't harmonize with the strengths of the James/Davis pairing.

But we'll see! That's the beauty of reality--it can prove me right or wrong.

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I can give props for moves I think are good. I think signing James was incredible. I think the trade for Davis was great. I think Caruso was a tremendous under-the-radar find. They clearly built a great team, since they won a championship.

I simply feel that, in their desire for star power, they lost sight of both what made them special in their title year (defense) and what they're weak at (shooting/spacing). Their offseason moves reduced their defense and didn't address their greatest weakness and the star they got, I believe does not fit well with the stars they have. It's not a question of "not enough basketballs for everyone," it's that Westbrook's strengths and weaknesses don't harmonize with the strengths of the James/Davis pairing.

But we'll see! That's the beauty of reality--it can prove me right or wrong.
You said they needed defense and Russ hasn't lost a step and has during his career been one of the best lockdown defensive guards in the league. The guy can move the ball on offense, get to the hole and he isn't a Ben Simmons bad jump shooter if he'd stop taking wild pull up Js, I think he'd be around 34% from three. That being said, he definitely can bring them much better defense than they had. Then after Russ, they just added the shooting/spacing you said they were weak at, some of whom are plus defenders. Going off of last season's 3pt %: Ariza 35%, Nunn 38%, Bazemore 40% (all 3 and D guys), Melo 41%, Ellington 42% and Monk 43%. So it seems to me that adding Russ, Nunn, Bazemore, Ariza and Dwight Howard shows that they're still committed to defense and adding 6 sharpshooters would be them addressing shooting and floor spacing.
 
You said they needed defense and Russ hasn't lost a step and has during his career been one of the best lockdown defensive guards in the league.

We're going to have to very, very much agree to disagree. Almost no one has the opinion you do. A few fans of Westbrook claim he could lock down guys if he wanted to and put in the effort, because he was good in college, but I've never seen anyone other than you that thinks he's actually been a great defensive guard in the NBA.

And very few of the "sharpshooters" you mentioned (as well as Dwight Howard) are going to see major playoff minutes, IMO. I think trading for Buddy Hield would have been a much better move for LA than Westbrook. Still a defensive minus, but adds off-ball shooting which Westbrook does not.
 
We're going to have to very, very much agree to disagree. Almost no one has the opinion you do. A few fans of Westbrook claim he could lock down guys if he wanted to and put in the effort, because he was good in college, but I've never seen anyone other than you that thinks he's actually been a great defensive guard in the NBA.

And very few of the "sharpshooters" you mentioned (as well as Dwight Howard) are going to see major playoff minutes, IMO. I think trading for Buddy Hield would have been a much better move for LA than Westbrook. Still a defensive minus, but adds off-ball shooting which Westbrook does not.

Yeah I’ve seen Westbrook get torched by opposing guards quite a bit. He’s definitely not lock down, but he’s not a complete sieve. I think he and Lillard are comparable defensively
 
We're going to have to very, very much agree to disagree. Almost no one has the opinion you do. A few fans of Westbrook claim he could lock down guys if he wanted to and put in the effort, because he was good in college, but I've never seen anyone other than you that thinks he's actually been a great defensive guard in the NBA.

And very few of the "sharpshooters" you mentioned (as well as Dwight Howard) are going to see major playoff minutes, IMO. I think trading for Buddy Hield would have been a much better move for LA than Westbrook. Still a defensive minus, but adds off-ball shooting which Westbrook does not.

Piggybacking on this ... Bazemore has shot better than 40% from 3 once in his career, and that was with Golden State. Melo's shot 40% from 3 three times. Both those guys are 35% 3-point shooters for careers that are on the decline. Last year was the first time in nine years Ellington's shot 40% from 3; he's been pretty consistently around 37% for the last decade. Monk shot 40% last year but never even shot 35% before that. Nunn's 36% for his career, although his FT% indicates he could improve.

That's a lot of guys to be relying on playing above their mean, though. A lot of old guys.
 
I guess they felt that if they had let the two of them iron things out and calm down, things could have been different. Instead the suspended Green a game and social media made a huge deal of it which didn't help. Then Durant gets injured against Toronto and we know the rest of the story.
 
Yeah I’ve seen Westbrook get torched by opposing guards quite a bit. He’s definitely not lock down, but he’s not a complete sieve. I think he and Lillard are comparable defensively

Disagree slightly, Westbrook gives almost zero effort on defense he’s more interested in getting rebounds and going back o the offensive end. Lillard while not a good defender he still gives effort, always surprised with his basketball instincts he doesn’t get more steals.

Because of Westbrook’s athleticism I think he could be a much better defender than Lillard
 
If true hopefully that moves the Dray to Portland, CJ to Philly and Simmons to GS talks along.
I have no idea why we would possibly want Dray over Simmons. That makes no sense. Simmons is younger and far far more athletic and bigger and just as skilled if not more skilled. Like I've said before the only thing Dray has that Simmons doesn't is a really inconsistent jumper.
 
I have no idea why we would possibly want Dray over Simmons. That makes no sense. Simmons is younger and far far more athletic and bigger and just as skilled if not more skilled. Like I've said before the only thing Dray has that Simmons doesn't is a really inconsistent jumper.
My theory based on nothing is that GS views Simmons as a souped-up and younger Draymon.
 
My theory based on nothing is that GS views Simmons as a souped-up and younger Draymon.
I agree with that assessment. We have the main piece in all of these theoretical deals and I just have no idea why we would involve the Warriors. We should be able to pry Simmons away from Philly with CJ, DJJ and the right amount of draft considerations. If the Sixers are waiting for Dame, I don't think involving the Warriors makes the deal work and if they're not we should be able to get it done on our own.
 
I have no idea why we would possibly want Dray over Simmons. That makes no sense. Simmons is younger and far far more athletic and bigger and just as skilled if not more skilled. Like I've said before the only thing Dray has that Simmons doesn't is a really inconsistent jumper.
Depends if Simmons wants to come here. Also, I would tend to think Dame would want Dray over Simmons. I would rather have Simmons too. But, Dray would probably save us from.having to send out 1st round picks too.
 
I posted that picture because people were blasting the Lakers for being so old, which they are, but I was just saying that you’d be surprised what old teams can accomplish. I don’t think they will win 70 games…..I’m thinking they will float at some times…..deal with some injuries….. get 55 wins or so and home court advantage and wait for the playoffs. Will they win it all, I think they can get to the finals. It’s just funny to me because people hate the team, they can’t give any props on the moves.

The key piece you're missing is that in order to be a Blazer fan you must irrationally hate all things l*kers.

Though, to be honest... its all rational.
 
I posted that picture because people were blasting the Lakers for being so old, which they are, but I was just saying that you’d be surprised what old teams can accomplish. I don’t think they will win 70 games…..I’m thinking they will float at some times…..deal with some injuries….. get 55 wins or so and home court advantage and wait for the playoffs. Will they win it all, I think they can get to the finals. It’s just funny to me because people hate the team, they can’t give any props on the moves.
Can’t give props on the moves because they weren’t good moves. Like I’ve said, if Westbrook gets injured, then they have a shot.
 

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