OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA THREAD - August 2021

[Chris Craig]

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No

 

[Fairly-Hard]

No

Yeah that trade would be historically bad. The Blazers lose 5 games and lose 7 points on offense while only gaining 3 points on defense.
They even add to their cap while getting much worse.
How many close game did Dame win the team last year. I suspect the Blazers would lose more than 5 games in that trade.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Since we frequently rail on Neil for bidding against himself

how lucky did LA get that Schroeder didn’t take that 80mill lol

 

[andalusian]

how lucky did LA get that Schroeder didn’t take that 80mill lol

I would argue that the LA offer was market correct for DS, at most, a little overpay - but nothing like the Crabbe or Turner deals. We have seen that Lonzo Ball got about the same contract, and while Lonzo is a better assist / rebound and defense guy than DS - he is not as good a scorer - so, that offer was reasonable. DS or his agent are just idiots not to take it.

The reason DS has to settle for the $6M is that the money in the market simply dried, it's not because the market does not value his production at around that Lakers offer.

 

[tykendo]

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Straight trash Homey

 

[Minstrel]

Since we frequently rail on Neil for bidding against himself

how lucky did LA get that Schroeder didn’t take that 80mill lol

Are they lucky? The Lakers are a weaker team without him and can't just reapportion the money elsewhere. For a team with a limited contention window, I think losing Schroeder hurts them more than saving the cash helps them (though, maybe their owner feels otherwise). I think the Lakers are actually worse this offseason--I don't think the players they picked up are worth losing Caruso, Kuzma, Caldwell-Pope and Schroeder (and Harrell is a useful player but for some reason didn't do anything last season in LA).

Obviously, Westbrook is the big wild card, but I don't think he fits at all with James and Davis and any possessions he's taking is beneficial to the defense because it means James and Davis aren't using them.

 

[Chris Craig]

Are they lucky? The Lakers are a weaker team without him and can't just reapportion the money elsewhere. For a team with a limited contention window, I think losing Schroeder hurts them more than saving the cash helps them (though, maybe their owner feels otherwise). I think the Lakers are actually worse this offseason--I don't think the players they picked up are worth losing Caruso, Kuzma, Caldwell-Pope and Schroeder (and Harrell is a useful player but for some reason didn't do anything last season in LA).

Obviously, Westbrook is the big wild card, but I don't think he fits at all with James and Davis and any possessions he's taking is beneficial to the defense because it means James and Davis aren't using them.

They are going to be terrible defensively.

 

[wizenheimer]

https://www.oregonlive.com/nba/2021...nce-in-seattle-pro-am-they-gave-up-on-me.html

 

[Mr. Robot]

https://www.oregonlive.com/nba/2021...nce-in-seattle-pro-am-they-gave-up-on-me.html

fuck him, its so easy to detest him

i had sympathyfor him when he was in boston, but ever since he got traded hes been an asshole

 

[PCmor7]

Jason Kidd getting scorched on social media right now. This started it, but now a lot of tweets linking it to his domestic abuse.

 

[PCmor7]

Read the thread. It's eye-opening.

 

[Natebishop3]

Jason Kidd getting scorched on social media right now. This started it, but now a lot of tweets linking it to his domestic abuse.

He's a piece of shit. I don't know why he keeps getting jobs.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

He's a piece of shit. I don't know why he keeps getting jobs.

I not trying to defend Kidd, as I wouldn't want him as coach. But I don't believe he is near the only couch that has done these tactics to players throughout the years.

 

[handiman]

I not trying to defend Kidd, as I wouldn't want him as coach. But I don't believe he is near the only couch that has done these tactics to players throughout the years.

Yeah, no kidding. Anyone blasting him over that has never coached, or at least never cared about the quality of product resulting from their coaching. Every driven coach can think of at least one time they took it too far, but the players usually learned as much of a lesson as the coach in those instances and the ends partially justified the means.

But hey, social media outrage is the cool thing these days, so carry on.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, no kidding. Anyone blasting him over that has never coached, or at least never cared about the quality of product resulting from their coaching. Every driven coach can think of at least one time they took it too far, but the players usually learned as much of a lesson as the coach in those instances and the ends partially justified the means.

But hey, social media outrage is the cool thing these days, so carry on.

Actually he’s a piece of shit because he beats women.

 

[THE HCP]

 

[Strenuus]

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Funny, I see no bad players in the 2nd picture.

 

[Natebishop3]

Funny, I see no bad players in the 2nd picture.

It’s weird that they put Rodman as 37 years old. The oldest he was on the Bulls was 36. He was 37 when he played for LA.

 

[royo]

All I see in this tweet about Kidd is players crying that they had to work.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Actually he’s a piece of shit because he beats women.

Which makes him a multidimensional piece of shit

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah, no kidding. Anyone blasting him over that has never coached, or at least never cared about the quality of product resulting from their coaching. Every driven coach can think of at least one time they took it too far, but the players usually learned as much of a lesson as the coach in those instances and the ends partially justified the means.

But hey, social media outrage is the cool thing these days, so carry on.

I’ve coached for 25 plus years. I’ve been in upper management for longer, and I’ve never called someone a piece of shit or verbally abused someone to the point that they broke mentally.

 

[handiman]

Actually he’s a piece of shit because he beats women.

Confirmation bias. People hate him (justifiably) for things he did in his personal life, and use that in a coaching example of Kidd taking it too far to mean he shouldn't be allowed to be around other people. People who react that way are equally shitty pieces of humanity.

I’ve coached for 25 plus years. I’ve been in upper management for longer, and I’ve never called someone a piece of shit or verbally abused someone to the point that they broke mentally.

Name calling like that isn't my thing, but it certainly is for A LOT of basketball and football coaches. I don't know what the last part about mentally breaking someone is referring to, so I can't comment on that.

 

[AldoTrapani]

For some reason players still love playing for Kidd though

 

[Mediocre Man]

Confirmation bias. People hate him (justifiably) for things he did in his personal life, and use that in a coaching example of Kidd taking it too far to mean he shouldn't be allowed to be around other people. People who react that way are equally shitty pieces of humanity.



Name calling like that isn't my thing, but it certainly is for A LOT of basketball and football coaches. I don't know what the last part about mentally breaking someone is referring to, so I can't comment on that.

Larry Sanders flat out quit after being verbally abused by Kidd. Checked himself into a hospital and then quit

 

[Natebishop3]

For some reason players still love playing for Kidd though

What players?

 

[wizenheimer]

What players?

obviously, based on Aldo's post, players with some reason, but not enough

 

[handiman]

Larry Sanders flat out quit after being verbally abused by Kidd. Checked himself into a hospital and then quit

Okay, I looked up the article for more info than the twitter clip, and I'm going to chalk that up to a terrible take.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/08/1...h-bucks-that-left-larry-sanders-hospitalized/

"Sanders’ issues predated Kidd, who was in his first season as Bucks coach.

But Kidd’s tactics certainly didn’t help. Sanders got suspended for drugs while away from the team then never played for Milwaukee again, taking a buyout. He entered a program for anxiety, depression and mood disorders and spent a couple of years outside the NBA, returning only for a brief stint with the Cavaliers in 2017."

Mental midgets gonna break regardless, it's just a matter of when. If you can't handle it in practice, you can't handle it in games.

Yeah, I'm heartless. It's called real world.

 

[julius]

I’ve coached for 25 plus years. I’ve been in upper management for longer, and I’ve never called someone a piece of shit or verbally abused someone to the point that they broke mentally.

NO wonder you're not an NBA coach.

 

[PCmor7]

Name calling like that isn't my thing, but it certainly is for A LOT of basketball and football coaches. I don't know what the last part about mentally breaking someone is referring to, so I can't comment on that.

Not nearly as much as it used to be, especially with us being more aware now of mental health and the possible consequences. The days of the Junction Boys and Bobby Knight are more a thing of the past, and, IMO, that's a good thing.

I've been both a coach and a manager on my job. Personally, I've found I get much better results addressing a current problem and when something challenging comes up in the future using positive reinforcement or just being straight up with employees and workers. It's not as easy as just turning to animus for a coach, but it's better both in the short and long terms, IMO.

Do you think Kidd would be better off driving Larry Sanders out of basketball or taking some time and finding what made things click and respond for him?

 

[PCmor7]

Okay, I looked up the article for more info than the twitter clip, and I'm going to chalk that up to a terrible take.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/08/1...h-bucks-that-left-larry-sanders-hospitalized/

"Sanders’ issues predated Kidd, who was in his first season as Bucks coach.

But Kidd’s tactics certainly didn’t help. Sanders got suspended for drugs while away from the team then never played for Milwaukee again, taking a buyout. He entered a program for anxiety, depression and mood disorders and spent a couple of years outside the NBA, returning only for a brief stint with the Cavaliers in 2017."

Mental midgets gonna break regardless, it's just a matter of when. If you can't handle it in practice, you can't handle it in games.

Yeah, I'm heartless. It's called real world.

Wow. Someone with emotional disorders is a "mental midget"?

"Heartless" might be giving yourself too much credit.

And that's only "the real world" for people who aren't smart enough or dedicated enough to find better ways of handling things. But, hey, it lets people in authority take out their frustration by abusing those in no real position to defend themselves, so why should we care, right?