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Denny Crane said:
I realize he may not have gotten along with Chris Paul, but that doesn't make him a bad coach.
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Doc Rivers was hired to win a title. Instead, he won one more game than Del Negro's last team, and flamed out in the WC Semis just like Del Negro did in 2011-12.
 
honkicracker said:
the only foul on LBJ last night that was questionable was when George hill drove on the break and LBJ picked up a foul. The others were all legit fouls. A foul is a foul no matter who the player is. Superstar or not it should be called.

bill simmons needs to stfu.
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I call bullshit. 5 fouls in 13 minutes of play is a lot for Meyers Leonard or Joel Freeland, let alone LeBron James. The NBA wanted the TV revenue from a Game 6, and the best way to try and get a Game 6 is to keep the best player in the world out of the game as much as possible. Call every ticky-tack foul, turn a no-call or a block into 2 offensive fouls, and Indy had a chance.
 
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PapaG said:
I call bullshit. 5 fouls in 13 minutes of play is a lot for Meyers Leonard or Joel Freeland, let alone LeBron James. The NBA wanted the TV revenue from a Game 6, and the best way to try and get a Game 6 is to keep the best player in the world out of the game as much as possible. Call every ticky-tack foul, turn a no-call or a block into 2 offensive fouls, and Indy had a chance.
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If you're referring to the charge call on LBJ that Paul George beat him to the spot and LBJ dropped his shoulder to create space then well...... idk what game I was watching.
his fourth and fifth fouls were both legit fouls on him. did lance Stevenson foul LBJ by putting his hands around his waste yes. did LBJ foul lance Stevenson three times after that on that play? yes.
lbj admitted to the 4th foul.

Not going to continue to break down the calls.

Agree to disagree.

Ticky-tacky or not a foul is a foul.
Superstar, best player in the game today. a foul is a foul.

acting like lbj isn't protected at all. didn't the announcers (great source) say LBJ has only fouled out of ONE game as a heat player and that happened this year?
I don't watch all the heat games because I don't like that team. But if that's the case... Yes clearly LBJ doesn't get the treatment.
 
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honkicracker said:
the only foul on LBJ last night that was questionable was when George hill drove on the break and LBJ picked up a foul. The others were all legit fouls. A foul is a foul no matter who the player is. Superstar or not it should be called.

bill simmons needs to stfu.
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Funny story. I pretty much sat right next to (under) the ESPN crew last night. A guy sitting near me brought Simmons's book and threw it up to him to sign, which he signed "This looks well read". Simmons may sound like a douche sometimes, but I thought that was pretty cool of him.
 
B-Roy said:
Funny story. I pretty much sat right next to (under) the ESPN crew last night. A guy sitting near me brought Simmons's book and threw it up to him to sign, which he signed "This looks well read". Simmons may sound like a douche sometimes, but I thought that was pretty cool of him.
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cool story bro.
but I'm sure signing his book from a fan wasn't a pre-requisite of getting that job.
He needs to stfu about superstar players not getting favorable calls.
A foul is a foul
or should I find the video of the lakers vs blazers that was plastered all over Blazer forums last year?
 
honkicracker said:
If you're referring to the charge call on LBJ that Paul George beat him to the spot and LBJ dropped his shoulder to create space then well...... idk what game I was watching.
his fourth and fifth fouls were both legit fouls on him. did lance Stevenson foul LBJ by putting his hands around his waste yes. did LBJ foul lance Stevenson three times after that on that play? yes.
lbj admitted to the 4th foul.

Not going to continue to break down the calls.

Agree to disagree.

Ticky-tacky or not a foul is a foul.
Superstar, best player in the game today. a foul is a foul.

acting like lbj isn't protected at all. didn't the announcers (great source) say LBJ has only fouled out of ONE game as a heat player and that happened this year?
I don't watch all the heat games because I don't like that team. But if that's the case... Yes clearly LBJ doesn't get the treatment.
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MVPs rarely foul out of games. I don't recall Jordan ever getting 5 fouls in 13 minutes of play in an elimination game for the other team, either. Agree to disagree, definitely. Every single time down the court Stephenson could be called for putting his hands on the perimeter ballhandler. Those are technically fouls, too, yet the refs didn't call them last night when he has his hands all over James past the 3-point line. I know people hate James, but let's not pretend that him getting 5 fouls in 13 minutes was at all legitimate in today's NBA. The NBA needed to get some TV ad revenue from this round, since the semifinal series were mostly garbage and lop-sided. Plus, the sponsors who pay for the commercials want to get some bang for their buck, too.
 
Odd?

Neither ESPN.go.com nor NBA.com have a box score available online right now of the OKC/Spurs game.
 
PapaG said:
MVPs rarely foul out of games. I don't recall Jordan ever getting 5 fouls in 13 minutes of play in an elimination game for the other team, either. Agree to disagree, definitely. Every single time down the court Stephenson could be called for putting his hands on the perimeter ballhandler. Those are technically fouls, too, yet the refs didn't call them last night when he has his hands all over James past the 3-point line. I know people hate James, but let's not pretend that him getting 5 fouls in 13 minutes was at all legitimate in today's NBA. The NBA needed to get some TV ad revenue from this round, since the semifinal series were mostly garbage and lop-sided. Plus, the sponsors who pay for the commercials want to get some bang for their buck, too.
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your right handchecking is a foul that should be called too. but it hasn't been called in these playoffs consistently unfortunately. see Pactrick Beverly, see Chris Paul, see Reggie Jackson, see Clay Thompson(to name a couple).
But neither has lane violations. Well unless Jermaine O'Neil is involved.

I just like seeing fouls called on players when they're fouls. superstar or not. I don't hate BronBron never had any hate on him for leaving Cleveland. Just like I don't hate Kobe or Garnett like most Portland fans do. I actually love Garnett as a player and his intensity level one of my fav players in the NBA. Liked Garnett when I was a teenager.

Maybe the NBA did fix the game. But I don't think so.
 
Marv Albert is just lighting into Steve Kerr right now.

Uncomfortable...
 
honkicracker said:
your right handchecking is a foul that should be called too. but it hasn't been called in these playoffs consistently unfortunately. see Pactrick Beverly, see Chris Paul, see Reggie Jackson, see Clay Thompson(to name a couple).
But neither has lane violations. Well unless Jermaine O'Neil is involved.

I just like seeing fouls called on players when they're fouls. superstar or not. I don't hate BronBron never had any hate on him for leaving Cleveland. Just like I don't hate Kobe or Garnett like most Portland fans do. I actually love Garnett as a player and his intensity level one of my fav players in the NBA. Liked Garnett when I was a teenager.

Maybe the NBA did fix the game. But I don't think so.
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I'm not saying that touching a player isn't a foul. My point is that James was called for fouls last night that weren't playoff fouls. You do agree that Stephenson was literally fouling James on the perimeter? Because at that point, it becomes about discretion, and my point is that the refs were looking to call fouls on James last night. I wonder if LeBron gets a secret bonus for going along with the act and playing the fool?
 
PapaG said:
I'm not saying that touching a player isn't a foul. My point is that James was called for fouls last night that weren't playoff fouls. You do agree that Stephenson was literally fouling James on the perimeter? Because at that point, it becomes about discretion, and my point is that the refs were looking to call fouls on James last night. I wonder if LeBron gets a secret bonus for going along with the act and playing the fool?
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I suppose, but I'm not really sure how they can deem PG going for 21 points in the 4th quarter as a conspiracy/fix. Without his 21 points in the 4th there is no way the Pacers win that game even with LBJ in foul trouble the whole night.
Pretty hard to convince me also the steals PG/Stevenson had were part of the conspiracy also...

Yes Hand checking should be called period. It's a rule in the NBA that it's illegal. But it's not called at all. Hell I watched Beverly hand check Lillard on EVERY possession. It's supposed to be a foul. but it's never called, playoffs or regular season. They should just eliminate the rule because it's just not called.
 
honkicracker said:
I suppose, but I'm not really sure how they can deem PG going for 21 points in the 4th quarter as a conspiracy/fix.
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I'm not saying it's a conspiracy that George made a ton of shots. I'm saying it's suspect that the most optimal way for the Pacers to be able to try and win Game 5 was to get Lebron James into foul trouble. That's what happened. It's not about a conspiracy that lets Indiana win. It's about creating a game situation that gives Indiana the best chance of having a chance to win the game. Calling 5 fouls on Lebron James in 13 minutes of play seems very obvious to me. It's never happened in his career prior to last night.

James does those same things every night he plays, yet last night he's suddenly called for the fouls? Come on. I know you're at least a bit skeptical of how he ended up on the bench.
 
PapaG said:
Marv Albert is just lighting into Steve Kerr right now.

Uncomfortable...
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That was really bizarre. For those who missed it, Kerr said something about there being a high probability that they would be back in San Antonio for a game seven. Albert and Miller gave Kerr some shit about it and Kerr got pissed off. Then they argued. And argued some more. And argued some more. And some more. Albert just wouldn't let it die, even after Miller tried to get out of the whole uncomfortable mess.

In the meantime, there was a basketball game going on. Guys were dunking, fouling, shooting, and those three were having a pissing match over semantics.

We should invite them to join the board! :)
 
BBert said:
That was really bizarre. For those who missed it, Kerr said something about there being a high probability that they would be back in San Antonio for a game seven. Albert and Miller gave Kerr some shit about it and Kerr got pissed off. Then they argued. And argued some more. And argued some more. And some more. Albert just wouldn't let it die, even after Miller tried to get out of the whole uncomfortable mess.

In the meantime, there was a basketball game going on. Guys were dunking, fouling, shooting, and those three were having a pissing match over semantics.

We should invite them to join the board! :)
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That was something, wasn't it? It's like Marv's 33rpm got stuck in a rut.
 
I'll add that after the game ended, Marv started up again with Kerr on-air. Very surreal.
 
PapaG said:
James does those same things every night he plays, yet last night he's suddenly called for the fouls? Come on. I know you're at least a bit skeptical of how he ended up on the bench.
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I actually found it better basketball that he was called for those fouls.
fouls he commits on a consistent biases but he doesn't get called for. yet he should....
might not be good for business to have the best player in todays NBA off the court for a casual fan...
But I find it more watchable to see those fouls get called, and personally I'd love to see it happen more often.
Superstar players get called for fouls the average or rookie player would get called for.
No Biases to the players that bring in more revenue.
However I'm forced to watch while saying "wow" on every missed call, or call that goes for the superstar/NBA poster child(aka blake griffin).

Can't tell you how many times watching a game I see hand checking just ignored by the refs. or the other form of hand checking a defenders elbow on a guard above the free throw line. It's just bad for basketball imo to see things like that.
And personally that's where the people who claim "fixes/conspiracy" comes from.
It's not a foul one game, but then it's a foul on a player going for or against a player.
call things that are fouls, or take them out as rules. pretty simple I believe.
Yes I want Stevenson called for that. Yes I want Wesley called for it... Yes I want Lebron called for it. Yes I want Ginobli called for it... But I just don't think it will ever happen.

How many times did I hear growing up listening to NBA announcers
"oh X player will have to get a knife out to get his 3rd/6th foul"
And it be true...
 
Notice how Stephenson notes that James can't do anything to retaliate, and how he'd have been in a brawl back in the 80s pulling his little stunts.

Bird to Stephenson: Cut it out

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...s-larry-bird-lance-stephenson-antics-do-again

MIAMI -- Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird called a meeting with Lance Stephenson prior to Friday's Game 6, two days after Stephenson was caught blowing in the ear of Miami Heat star LeBron James and given his second flopping fine of the Eastern Conference finals.

"He said, 'Don't do it again,' so I'm not going to do it again," Stephenson said after the Pacers' shootaround. "He's kept me on the right path my whole career, and if he says something to me, I take it to heart."

When asked what would have happened had Stephenson blown in Bird's ear in a playoff game during Bird's playing days, Stephenson was blunt.

"There probably would've been a fight," he said. "But this is a different type of game from the '90s. You can't throw blows."

Stephenson has been a constant distraction in this series and has drawn more attention for his off-court comments and on-court antics than for his play. In addition to the flopping fines and the ear blowing, Stephenson has gotten involved in protracted trash talking with James and Dwyane Wade.

"I'm not talking about Lance Stephenson for the rest of the playoffs," Chris Bosh, the third part of the star trio in Miami, said Friday.

Yet Stephenson, in an odd admission, says he doesn't think his tactics are even working.

"I don't think I can get into LeBron's head," he said. "He's the best player in the league, he knows how to play through that kind of stuff. I don't think it bothered him at all. I have a lot of respect for him. He's going to find a way to play great."

This statement, of course, opens another area of wondering about Stephenson's motivations. The Pacers, though, are trying to move past all of it as they attempt to win their fourth elimination game of the playoffs.

"It's time to get back to basketball," forward Paul George said. "We have to focus."
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Lance Stephenson hitting people in the face and gets the Flagrant One. What a fucking idiot.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Stephenson pissed off the wrong team lol why would you try to get into the heads of such a veteran team with such silly tactics?
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Even worse is that Stephenson said that he knows the Heat can't retaliate. With his flopping, slapping, and general grab-assing, he comes across as a gigantic pussy who needs the NBA to protect him from getting his ass kicked.
 
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