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Boob-No-More said:
So, would you do the first scenario, C.J. and Meyers for Butler and Dieng. That would rid us of one overpaid backup center. We'd replace him with another overpaid back up center, but one that's actually halfway decent.

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Probably. I hate the extra year on Dieng's deal. And I'd need to know olshey checked in with butler agent on likelihood of him staying
 
Actually, no, I don't think I would. I know you gotta take risks some times, and cj ffor butler straight is a risk, if he walks. Of you have dieng on the roster for 2 moe seasons, AND butler walks, and you have little wiggle room to improve anywhere.... that can lead to dame wanting out.
 
RR7 said:
Probably. I hate the extra year on Dieng's deal. And I'd need to know olshey checked in with butler agent on likelihood of him staying
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I would think any deal for Butler would need to include reasonable reassurance he'd resign.

Of course, the best way to make sure Butler resigns is winning and I think him paired with Dame and Nurk would be a much better fit than what he has in MIN.

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RR7 said:
Actually, no, I don't think I would. I know you gotta take risks some times, and cj ffor butler straight is a risk, if he walks. Of you have dieng on the roster for 2 moe seasons, AND butler walks, and you have little wiggle room to improve anywhere.... that can lead to dame wanting out.
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The thing about it is, if Olshey acquires Jimmy Butler and he leaves wouldn't that be partly Dame's fault? If George would've left OKC wouldn't most people blame Westbrook? Just like not trading Davis at the deadline was likely due to the fact Dame wanted him to stay.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Butler is one of the few players who could replace C.J.'s scoring AND provide a significant upgrade defensively (Kawhi and PG13 being the other two that are/were available) . A year and a half ago when there were rumblings Butler wanted out of CHI, I was totally on board with trying to get him with a package centered around C.J. - and I love C.J.

So, hell yeah! If Butler is available, you have to go for it and make your best offer. The problem is, Thibs LOVES Butler and he's not just the MIN coach, he's also the President of Basketball Operations. I think he'd probably much rather move Wiggins than Butler, and Wiggins is just a bigger, less efficient, higher paid version of C.J. No thanks to that.

That said, a Butler for C.J. swap may actually also be our chance to get rid of Meyers. Not that MIN would actually want him, but Gorgui Dieng is one of the highest paid backups in the league. He is owed more than $48 million over the next three years and plays less than 16 mpg. That's an extra year and $27 million more than Meyers is owed. Dieng is a better player, but if anything, he may be even more overpaid than Meyers.

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The cost savings alone may not be enough to pry Butler free from MIN. They may actually want a useful player in exchange for Dieng, and even more cost savings:

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This saves them a whopping $41 million on Dieng's contract and Aminu actually seems like the kind of defensive player Thibs would prefer. This one, I'd still do.

This is what MIN would probably ask for:

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Would you give up our PF of the Now and our PF of the Future to get Butler? Dieng would be a solid (if grotesquely overpaid) back up for Nurk, but doesn't really have the skill set to play PF in today's NBA. We'd no longer be relying on Meyers as our backup center, but we that leaves Meyers and Swanigan as our "best" options at the 4. Maybe offer them a lottery protected future 1st round pick instead of Collins.

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We'd have to find a way to keep Zach.
 
Jeremy Lin to Atlanta.

Also this:

Denver has agreed to send Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur, a 2019 protected first-round pick and a future second round pick to Nets for Isaiah Whitehead, league sources tell ESPN. Salary dump for Denver.
 
B-Roy said:
Jeremy Lin to Atlanta.

Also this:

Denver has agreed to send Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur, a 2019 protected first-round pick and a future second round pick to Nets for Isaiah Whitehead, league sources tell ESPN. Salary dump for Denver.
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How is that possible? Didn't Brooklyn use up all their cap space?
 
Denver dumps Faried, Chandler, and Arthur within a week and it only cost them a protected first and a couple seconds.

Meanwhile in Portland..

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hoopsjock said:
All have one year left on their deals. Portland has to wait until next summer to pull off something similar.
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Was there a reason for NO giving all those guys so many years? I think in 2016 all of them got like 4 year deals? Since you’re the salary cap expert, is there a good reason to do that? I guess in theory you have a bunch of cap room in 2020?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Was there a reason for NO giving all those guys so many years? I think in 2016 all of them got like 4 year deals? Since you’re the salary cap expert, is there a good reason to do that? I guess in theory you have a bunch of cap room in 2020?
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Well, what I think happened is that after the success of the 2015-16 season the thought was that they wanted to lock all those guys up to 4 years. In theory if Harkless and Leonard kept improving then they'd be steals in the 3rd and 4th year, which unfortunately hasn't really come to fruition. At least Hark is still relatively decent for what he gets paid, especially if he shoots +40% for 3's again this year. Turner was simply an overpay to get him to consider coming to Portland which unfortunately he took. Crabbe wasn't the Blazers decision to sign him to that much but they didn't want to lose him for nothing which makes sense but ended up costing them money a year later. It's too bad none of them had team options or only partial guarantees in their 4th year.

I can definitely see the reasoning behind it, but it was rather stupid in hindsight. Although I think it's a good thing that we still have Hark under contract for two more years.
 
hoopsjock said:
Well, what I think happened is that after the success of the 2015-16 season the thought was that they wanted to lock all those guys up to 4 years. In theory if Harkless and Leonard kept improving then they'd be steals in the 3rd and 4th year, which unfortunately hasn't really come to fruition. At least Hark is still relatively decent for what he gets paid, especially if he shoots +40% for 3's again this year. Turner was simply an overpay to get him to consider coming to Portland which unfortunately he took. Crabbe wasn't the Blazers decision to sign him to that much but they didn't want to lose him for nothing which makes sense but ended up costing them money a year later. It's too bad none of them had team options or only partial guarantees in their 4th year.

I can definitely see the reasoning behind it, but it was rather stupid in hindsight. Although I think it's a good thing that we still have Hark under contract for two more years.
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Yeah, the Harkless deal is the only one that’s really worked out. I know it’s hindsight but at the time I thought they should’ve let Crabbe go after Brooklyn offered so much, and I don’t know why they don’t give Meyers a shorter deal or have a team option in there. I suppose it sort of made sense at the time.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Yeah, the Harkless deal is the only one that’s really worked out. I know it’s hindsight but at the time I thought they should’ve let Crabbe go after Brooklyn offered so much, and I don’t know why they don’t give Meyers a shorter deal or have a team option in there. I suppose it sort of made sense at the time.
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Leonard got hurt that year but the year before was his 50/40/90% year.
 
How much worse is Jabari at SF than PF?
 
Parker (12) / Valentine (20) / Hutchison (16)
Markennen (30) / Parker (18)
WCJ (24) / Portis (24)

Enough minutes for everyone.
 
hoopsjock said:
Probably not considering how drastic the difference is.
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I don't see Jabari playing SF unless Giannis is off the court though.

And with Lauri and WCJ, he'd have the space to post up smaller SFs which could make him more effective offensively at that position than he was in Milwaukee.
 
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I don’t think Jabari at 3 will work that well. He will get killed on the defense too, I feel, but he wasn’t a particularly good defender at 4 either.

Locking $40million a year into LaVine and Parker doesn’t sound like the brightest idea to me but then again Chicago probably feel like they cannot get any established talent in through free agency anyway so they would rather overpay for whoever they can get. Parker before injury was a very good player.
 
Way off topic, and definitely not thread worthy..... working for the NFL all month for the inaugural Flag Football League season. Brought The HCP Jr. with me out on the road this week. Have never done that before. He eats, sleeps and breathes football. Got him down on the sidelines working for our double header broadcast today. He had a blast. As you were. Back to talk of Jabari Parker.
 
HCP said:
Way off topic, and definitely not thread worthy..... working for the NFL all month for the inaugural Flag Football League season. Brought The HCP Jr. with me out on the road this week. Have never done that before. He eats, sleeps and breathes football. Got him down on the sidelines working for our double header broadcast today. He had a blast. As you were. Back to talk of Jabari Parker.
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We have a mlb thread. Create one for football. You can add cool stuff you do over the next month.
 
HCP said:
Way off topic, and definitely not thread worthy..... working for the NFL all month for the inaugural Flag Football League season. Brought The HCP Jr. with me out on the road this week. Have never done that before. He eats, sleeps and breathes football. Got him down on the sidelines working for our double header broadcast today. He had a blast. As you were. Back to talk of Jabari Parker.
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Here's another way off topic post.

Hulk Hogan travels, speculation rampant on WWE return



 
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