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Scalma said:
Morey built an entire squad around the ISO god Harden, I’m pretty sure he would want McCollum.
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yeah, he's the kind of player they need. They struggle scoring the ball this will be Morey's second year coming up, expect big changes in the back court.
 
Simmons had 13 assists tonight with 8 boards and played good D. He can guard 4 positions and would start at PF IMO.
Plus he could play back up PG. He would be a disaster in a Terry Stotts offense, (or D'Antoni) but as long as he can improve his free throw shooting he would be fine. A lot of shit FT shooters improved over time.

No, he is not ideal on offense, but he is an all-NBA defender. We could use that.
 
It works both ways, you can have a guard that iso's and is a decent scorer but doesnt play great D, and a player that plays good D and is reluctant to shoot and bad at the FTL.
 
Chris Craig said:
That's not even the same
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It’s not, but it’s also a little ridiculous to think they’ll give up 2 of the 3 guys on their team that were All-NBA defense, one of which is only in his second year, when the best guy that’s going back to them has yet to be an All Star or make All-NBA. Ben’s value has tanked, but’s it’s tanked in the sense that you wouldn’t have to give up multiple 1sts to get him. It hasn’t tanked to the point where he’s treated like Westbrook or Kemba and they’d be giving you multiple assets to take him.
 
Ed O said:
Buy low, sell high. Simmons is about as low as he's going to get right now, and if we can get him for CJ, especially if we keep Powell, I think we gotta do that. Start him with Dame/Powell/Covington/Nurk... three good perimeter shooters, two good ballhandlers, two very good defenders, and finally some decent size in the lineup? Sign me up.
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Id play him at the four and post him up. I would let him dominate the ball as a pg.
 
JoshuaHall said:
Lmao - non Portland fans are saying Portland would say no
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sounds like a fair deal when each side thinks they need to give up more.

Portland would also be taking on an extra $30M in that deal btw.
 
pougie said:
It’s not, but it’s also a little ridiculous to think they’ll give up 2 of the 3 guys on their team that were All-NBA defense, one of which is only in his second year, when the best guy that’s going back to them has yet to be an All Star or make All-NBA. Ben’s value has tanked, but’s it’s tanked in the sense that you wouldn’t have to give up multiple 1sts to get him. It hasn’t tanked to the point where he’s treated like Westbrook or Kemba and they’d be giving you multiple assets to take him.
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Fine send them a future pick or two
 
JoshuaHall said:
Ben Simmons is getting absolutely torched on Inside the NBA.

Doc Rivers also not exactly giving a glowing review.

Only interested in Simmons if MDA is coach and he’s moved to center.
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That’s probably the move. Wish D’Antoni would consider a defensive coordinator, but I remember stuff about him not wanting to bring in Tom Thibbadeau to be defensive coordinator in Phoenix. But with Powell/Covington/Simmons all having the reputation of being solid to elite defenders, that should be enough to keep us afloat without one right? But we’ve seen D’Antoni take his star guards to a new level before and for some reason, I think Simmons at C in a D’Antoni system would thrive.
 
JoshuaHall said:
Doesn’t matter if he is an all NBA defender and playmaker if he isn’t in the game. (Which he can’t be at the end of games. See his ass on the bench tonight?)
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Yeah, I saw him on the bench next to Curry who was there because he got lit up by Huerter. But like I said in other posts, yes he would have to improve his FT's.
And I find it very hard to believe he couldn't. Simmons IMO would be a high-risk high reward target.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, I saw him on the bench next to Curry who was there because he got lit up by Huerter. But like I said in other posts, yes he would have to improve his FT's.
And I find it very hard to believe he couldn't. Simmons IMO would be a high-risk high reward target.
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Why is this high-risk? There’s now a possibility that you can get him without having to give up any picks. You don’t have to give up Dame either. That’s about as low-risk as you can ask for.
 
pougie said:
Why is this high-risk? There’s now a possibility that you can get him without having to give up any picks. You don’t have to give up Dame either. That’s about as low-risk as you can ask for.
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High salary and he can't shoot. (That is risky to me) But I would do it.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, I saw him on the bench next to Curry who was there because he got lit up by Huerter. But like I said in other posts, yes he would have to improve his FT's.
And I find it very hard to believe he couldn't. Simmons IMO would be a high-risk high reward target.
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It wasn’t a comment directed solely at you, which is why I did not quote your post. My apologies. I’ve seen many people say “but what about the other side of the ball.”

Which doesn’t contradict my issue with him. You cannot play him. So it doesn’t matter if he was the greatest defender on the planet if you’ve got to take him out of the game.

And… he has been in the league for years. As Charles said on TNT, Philly has been saying the same thing for 3 years. He has gotten worse, not better.

I assume Philly would trade him trying to get value based on his potential while other teams will say, no he is what he is at this point.
 
JoshuaHall said:
It wasn’t a comment directed solely at you, which is why I did not quote your post. My apologies. I’ve seen many people say “but what about the other side of the ball.”

Which doesn’t contradict my issue with him. You cannot play him. So it doesn’t matter if he was the greatest defender on the planet if you’ve got to take him out of the game.

And… he has been in the league for years. As Charles said on TNT, Philly has been saying the same thing for 3 years. He has gotten worse, not better.

I assume Philly would trade him trying to get value based on his potential while other teams will say, no he is what he is at this point.
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You can play Simmons at the end of games... the 76ers didn't, and look where it got them.

Rivers clearly lost confidence in Simmons in a big way. Whether it was justified or not, sitting him down while putting in guys that repeatedly failed to executed against the Hawks simply cannot be considered good coaching.
 
pougie said:
Why is this high-risk? There’s now a possibility that you can get him without having to give up any picks. You don’t have to give up Dame either. That’s about as low-risk as you can ask for.
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The only risk is if it fails, we can kiss dame goodbye in about an yr.
 
Ed O said:
You can play Simmons at the end of games... the 76ers didn't, and look where it got them.

Rivers clearly lost confidence in Simmons in a big way. Whether it was justified or not, sitting him down while putting in guys that repeatedly failed to executed against the Hawks simply cannot be considered good coaching.
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The announcers, entire NBA on TNT crew, and most media think he can’t be played at the end of games.

Which, they also tried, and it wasn’t working either.

I think this was the first time he actually went to George Hill in the last two minutes or whatever it was, actually.

And his defender essentially gets to play “rover” since he can’t shoot and is apparently now afraid to even dunk the ball or attack the basket — which is something that he could probably overcome since that is a new habit.
 
Embiid and Doc throwing Simmons under the bus and backing up over him again in their post game interviews. Pretty much says exactly what I think of the culture Doc sets over there.

Props to Ben and showing up for that shitshow of a postgame interview also
 
We should hope Embiid demands a trade to Portland.

now that would be interesting

Minus injury issues lol
 
JoshuaHall said:
And… he has been in the league for years. As Charles said on TNT, Philly has been saying the same thing for 3 years. He has gotten worse, not better.

I assume Philly would trade him trying to get value based on his potential while other teams will say, no he is what he is at this point.
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I get what you are saying. It is a concern. I don't ever expect him to be a good jump shooter...... Ever. But I don't think he has to be IF he can improve his FT%.
That is one skill set that I have seen players get better at over the years. He could at least get to Giannis level and no one would turn him away.

I actually think he is a better defender and ball-handler than Giannis.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I get what you are saying. It is a concern. I don't ever expect him to be a good jump shooter...... Ever. But I don't think he has to be IF he can improve his FT%.
That is one skill set that I have seen players get better at over the years. He could at least get to Giannis level and no one would turn him away.

I actually think he is a better defender and ball-handler than Giannis.
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I think you are probably right.
But not sure I would be willing to risk paying him 40 mill or whatever based on a “think” so.
He sets great screens too.
 
JoshuaHall said:
I think you are probably right.
But not sure I would be willing to risk paying him 40 mill or whatever based on a “think” so.
He sets great screens too.
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what it is is Simmons making 35M year; but CJ makes more than 33M. Really not much of a difference. It's pretty clear Portland is going nowhere with CJ. Might be the same destination with Simmons, but at least it would be altering the team in a dramatic fashion, and there is a visible theory of how Simmons would fit. He sure has a major wart though
 
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With a minimum of 70 attempts, Ben Simmons' 34.2% free throw percentage this postseason is the worst in a postseason in NBA history.

I know that sounds bad, but I love it. It is exactly what the Blazers needed. We needed Simmons and Philly to embarrass themselves against an underdog ATL team And they did. Seems like a good time to try to pry him away. And also a good motivation for Ben to work on his FTs. He did shoot 61% this year so it's not like he was at 32% for the year.
 
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