Official: Free Agency and MLE options thread

[e_blazer]

What if we included someone in the deal? Like an Aminu

Sure. You couldn’t use the TPE if you did that though. You can do sign and trades as long as the deal doesn’t put you over the apron.

 

[Blazinaway]

lots of UFA C's available; Brook Lopez, Noel, Cousins, Oquinn, Nogueira, Okafor, Len, Monroe

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Sure. You couldn’t use the TPE if you did that though. You can do sign and trades as long as the deal doesn’t put you over the apron.

You absolutely could use the TPE while sending out Aminu. On our side it would look like two separate deals--Randle into the TPE, and Aminu for nothing (generating a new, Aminu-sized TPE), whereas the Lakers would simply show it as Aminu-in-Randle-out.

 

[e_blazer]

You absolutely could use the TPE while sending out Aminu. On our side it would look like two separate deals--Randle into the TPE, and Aminu for nothing (generating a new, Aminu-sized TPE), whereas the Lakers would simply show it as Aminu-in-Randle-out.

True, as long as Randle’s salary would match close enough to the TPE.

 

[BigGameDamian]

So what are our best case targets now? Tyreke?

We can watch him go to other than the Blazers.

 

[hoopsjock]

IF Nurk took the QO...

We'd have about $6-$9 million to work with under the apron and would possibly be under the luxury tax. So using the TPE to do a sign and trade is still unrealistic because we'd be better off just finding a way to shed a tiny bit of salary and use the MLE which in essence would be the same thing.

If Nurk signs the QO or signs for about $10 million the first year...

If we did a sign and trade it would have to have equal money going out to the other team or more than coming in. So if Aminu was our bait we couldn't take back more than $6.8 million or whatever. If Turner was part of the trade we could take back $17.7 million, the problem is finding someone who would take Turner. The TPE, MLE, and any other method of signing players would all go away and we'd be unable to make any transactions until July 1st, 2019 unless it was a trade with less money coming in.

The problem is some of the guys who fit for this type of sign and trade like Randle and Parker are on teams needing to cut payroll, not add to it so it's unlikely they would want to take back anything in return. My scenario in the TPE thread would be the only way and that seems pretty far fetched.

 

[hoopsjock]

You absolutely could use the TPE while sending out Aminu. On our side it would look like two separate deals--Randle into the TPE, and Aminu for nothing (generating a new, Aminu-sized TPE), whereas the Lakers would simply show it as Aminu-in-Randle-out.

In theory yes this is possible (only if Nurk signed the QO first). The math is almost perfect. However the Lakers are now over the cap. They can still create a huge chunk of cap space by renouncing Randle and stretching Deng but they lose a portion of that if they bring in Aminu so I think that it's still not worth getting anyone's hopes up that it could happen.

If we wanted Randle the better play would have been to trade for him at the deadline to have his bird rights.

 

[e_blazer]

IF Nurk took the QO...

We'd have about $6-$9 million to work with under the apron and would possibly be under the luxury tax. So using the TPE to do a sign and trade is still unrealistic because we'd be better off just finding a way to shed a tiny bit of salary and use the MLE which in essence would be the same thing.

If Nurk signs the QO or signs for about $10 million the first year...

If we did a sign and trade it would have to have equal money going out to the other team or more than coming in. So if Aminu was our bait we couldn't take back more than $6.8 million or whatever. If Turner was part of the trade we could take back $17.7 million, the problem is finding someone who would take Turner. The TPE, MLE, and any other method of signing players would all go away and we'd be unable to make any transactions until July 1st, 2019 unless it was a trade with less money coming in.

The problem is some of the guys who fit for this type of sign and trade like Randle and Parker are on teams needing to cut payroll, not add to it so it's unlikely they would want to take back anything in return. My scenario in the TPE thread would be the only way and that seems pretty far fetched.

Where are you getting the $6-9 M of room below the apron? According to the Shamsports calculator, now that Pat and Bazz are off the books, the Blazers have about $13 M in apron room. If Nurk takes the QO, the room climbs to around $17M.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If we wanted Randle the better play would have been to trade for him at the deadline to have his bird rights.

Sure, but that's in the past. We're talking about now. Aside from signing Lebron, Lakers have been using their cap space on one-year deals, playing for cap space next summer. Trading for an expiring like Aminu meshes well with that strategy.

 

[illmatic99]

Where are you getting the $6-9 M of room below the apron? According to the Shamsports calculator, now that Pat and Bazz are off the books, the Blazers have about $13 M in apron room. If Nurk takes the QO, the room climbs to around $17M.

?

It says about 6.4 for apron with Nurk QO and signing Simons to rookie scale and Trent to minimum.

 

[hoopsjock]

Where are you getting the $6-9 M of room below the apron? According to the Shamsports calculator, now that Pat and Bazz are off the books, the Blazers have about $13 M in apron room. If Nurk takes the QO, the room climbs to around $17M.

I'm including PapaG and Baldwin (that accounts for the 6-9 fluctuation if you cut those two), Nurk on the QO, Stauskas signing, Layman guaranteed, cap hold on Simons, and cap hold on Trent for the minimum. I include Trent because if we do a sign and trade and get hard capped we couldn't sign him if we don't account for that money in projections.

I don't have the exact number on me at the moment but it was around $122 million including all that.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm including PapaG and Baldwin (that accounts for the 6-9 fluctuation if you cut those two), Nurk on the QO, Stauskas signing, Layman guaranteed, cap hold on Simons, and cap hold on Trent for the minimum. I include Trent because if we do a sign and trade and get hard capped we couldn't sign him if we don't account for that money in projections.

I don't have the exact number on me at the moment but it was around $122 million including all that.

Yup just ran through the scenario on sham, got 123,418,307

 

[BBert]

That’s just not true. Gigalo, valet parking, Amway... his options are wide open.

...Ron Tonkin Gran Tourismo....

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

dammit i hate looking at the salaries. 5m in dead salaries and 28m in just trash. 32MILLION dollars to work with...if only

 

[LayneStaley]

dammit i hate looking at the salaries. 5m in dead salaries and 28m in just trash. 32MILLION dollars to work with...if only

We had to overpay ET to even come here, I doubt we would be players for any major pieces even with the money. Trades and Draft, only way we will win a championship.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

We had to overpay ET to even come here, I doubt we would be players for any major pieces even with the money. Trades and Draft, only way we will win a championship.

We'd be a helluva lot more active in the trade market

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The Lottery.

You're in a good mood today, lol.

 

[hoopsjock]

Sure, but that's in the past. We're talking about now. Aside from signing Lebron, Lakers have been using their cap space on one-year deals, playing for cap space next summer. Trading for an expiring like Aminu meshes well with that strategy.

I mentioned the past because I don't think Olshey's that into Randle. Parker on the other hand might be different.

While Aminu is a fit contract wise, if we are assuming they are done with cap space this summer (which I don't think they are quite yet), there are three things that are still hurdles.

1) Randle would have to agree to sign here and for what we are offering.

2) The Lakers would have to want Aminu over offers from other teams that could also offer Randle. For example a Jeremy Lin or Demarre Carroll on the Nets (not saying they're better than Aminu, just the first team that popped in my head) or Kemba Walker or whomever.

3) The Lakers could also just sign Randle to a one year deal instead of agreeing to trade him for a lesser player.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I mentioned the past because I don't think Olshey's that into Randle. Parker on the other hand might be different.

I'd be down with that one too.

While Aminu is a fit contract wise, if we are assuming they are done with cap space this summer (which I don't think they are quite yet), there are three things that are still hurdles.

1) Randle would have to agree to sign here and for what we are offering.

2) The Lakers would have to want Aminu over offers from other teams that could also offer Randle. For example a Jeremy Lin or Demarre Carroll on the Nets (not saying they're better than Aminu, just the first team that popped in my head) or Kemba Walker or whomever.

3) The Lakers could also just sign Randle to a one year deal instead of agreeing to trade him for a lesser player.

Did you honestly think any of that needed to be explained? If this is all about "not getting people's hopes up that it could happen", don't be such a wet blanket. Sometimes people want to get their hopes up.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You're in a good mood today, lol.

Lol, I’m so defeated in terms of the NBA at this point. Not that anything this summer was unexpected, but it seems so pointless to spend time / money on the NBA product at this point. My team is basically not going anywhere, along with about 20 others. 2/3rds of the league is just hanging around to give the good teams someone to warm up against.
The officiating drives me crazy.
Basketball is an awesome sport, but I’m kind of fed up with the NBA. Yup I’m in a good mood lol.

 

[e_blazer]

Yup just ran through the scenario on sham, got 123,418,307

Found my mistake. I thought they including the cap holds in the $13M in apron room it shows on the initial screen and I was doing mental math from there. In actuality, the cap holds don't get calculated until you say what you're doing with the player. Rookie mistake.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Lol, I’m so defeated in terms of the NBA at this point. Not that anything this summer was unexpected, but it seems so pointless to spend time / money on the NBA product at this point. My team is basically not going anywhere, along with about 20 others. 2/3rds of the league is just hanging around to give the good teams someone to warm up against.
The officiating drives me crazy.
Basketball is an awesome sport, but I’m kind of fed up with the NBA. Yup I’m in a good mood lol.

Just chill til summer league. I really enjoy summer league.

 

[hoopsjock]

I'd be down with that one too.



Did you honestly think any of that needed to be explained? If this is all about "not getting people's hopes up that it could happen", don't be such a wet blanket. Sometimes people want to get their hopes up.

I know you personally don't need the explanation, but people were asking questions about the sign and trade situation and I want to make sure they have all the facts. I'll tell them again in a few days when the same people ask the same questions, ha ha.

 

[Hoopguru]

Lol, I’m so defeated in terms of the NBA at this point. Not that anything this summer was unexpected, but it seems so pointless to spend time / money on the NBA product at this point. My team is basically not going anywhere, along with about 20 others. 2/3rds of the league is just hanging around to give the good teams someone to warm up against.
The officiating drives me crazy.
Basketball is an awesome sport, but I’m kind of fed up with the NBA. Yup I’m in a good mood lol.

Feelings aren't right or wrong, there just feelings!
I think the league will do something to bring about a bit more parity.
For the most part its always been, just a handful of teams contend, however, now with super teams being built there may be even fewer than a handful of teams competing.
Going to be a real interesting off season in the NBA.

 

[Orion Bailey]

We had to overpay ET to even come here, I doubt we would be players for any major pieces even with the money. Trades and Draft, only way we will win a championship.

Wrong. We didn't HAVE to. We just did. Even he said as much.

 

[LayneStaley]

Wrong. We didn't HAVE to. We just did. Even he said as much.

So we don’t have to overpay FA to come here? Yeah ok. Name the last time we landed a big name fa, or even a starter through free agency we didn’t over pay to get.

 

[oldmangrouch]

So we don’t have to overpay FA to come here? Yeah ok. Name the last time we landed a big name fa, or even a starter through free agency we didn’t over pay to get.

I think what he is saying is that Blazers could (and should) have told Turner to go pound sand. He isn't a good enough player that any team should feel the need to over-pay for his services. NO let himself be blackmailed by a grade C journeyman that the team could easily have lived without.

 

[oldmangrouch]

We'd be a helluva lot more active in the trade market

This is a point that often gets lost in the conversation. Cap space isn't just about free agents. It also gives the team greater flexibility in the trade market.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I think what he is saying is that Blazers could (and should) have told Turner to go pound sand. He isn't a good enough player that any team should feel the need to over-pay for his services. NO let himself be blackmailed by a grade C journeyman that the team could easily have lived without.

I can't get the car dealership metaphor out of my head. I don't need the effing car. If the price isn't right, just walk away. Save my $$$ for a different car. Neil didn't do that, and ET was totally surprised at how much his agent was able to get him. I do understand why, but shit.

 

[Labinot41]

Western Conference Next year